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2017-02-14 - Valentine's Day!

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Honestly, I like both sprites. They're both lovely.

 

I don't like the drama going on about both. Obviously there's something going on and they needed to be removed, but I like the new sprites too, so congratulations to whoever made those! You did a good job, especially on such a short notice.

 

 

Honestly, if people are going to keep complaining, remove both of the sprites, replace them with bees. There. Problem solved. Everyone can go home.

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I'm in full support of EEF and Tazzay. This isn't right. This isn't fair.

 

I would like to know the full story. Everyone would like to know the full story. :\

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I think if they hadn't of switched just before adulthood due to unforeseen circumstances, that would have made me like them more. Maybe if after they hatched, they switched at the s1. It's not that I hate them or anything, I was just expecting a totally different beastie. And well, the old adult happens to be it.

Considering the secrecy around Holiday releases, I don't think hardly anyone but the spriters and TJ see the dragon before it being released. Even artists don't know if their concept is going to be used until they see the egg in the cave at release. It is pretty much impossible for there to be a ready and waiting replacement for unforseen circumstances like this. Getting a new set done before they grow up is already a huge accomplishment.

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Usually I try to stay 150% out of things like this. But now this is just getting.... messy.

-TJ switched sprites due to _____ reason.

-Tazzay said that they were not notified about this change, but

-TJ has stated he was in contact with both EEF, and Tazzay about everything.

 

So obviously there's either some miscommunication, or flat out lying going on somewhere in this chain. Which... isn't okay. Mind you, I'm not trying to accuse anyone. I'm not trying to ruffle feathers further. But then the point of concept theft was brought up, and honestly that seems like a valid concern.

EEF and Tazzay obviously had a concept, and it seems that the new sprites are obviously trying to pull from that concept. Is that necessarily acceptable?

 

I'm hoping that this will be resolved. Obviously there is going to be negative feelings. Especially considering this would have been I think EEF's and Tazzay's first in-cave sprite.

But I'm really hoping the community will bounce back from this.

It isn't the end of the world guys. Sprites can be touched up and brought up to par. If it's true that these sprites were made in a whole 48 hours, it's amazing they're even this well done. I have seen concepts take years to reach completion.

 

So spriter(s), whoever you are, thank you for this. Considering your time constraints, you did well. You honestly did.

Edited by Wandering4Ever

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Usually I try to stay 150% out of things like this. But now this is just getting.... messy.

-TJ switched sprites due to _____ reason.

-Tazzay said that they were not notified about this change, but

-TJ has stated he was in contact with both EEF, and Tazzay about everything.

 

So obviously there's either some miscommunication, or flat out lying going on somewhere in this chain. Which... isn't okay. Mind you, I'm not trying to accuse anyone. I'm not trying to ruffle feathers further. But then the point of concept theft was brought up, and honestly that seems like a valid concern.

EEF and Tazzay obviously had a concept, and it seems that the new sprites are obviously trying to pull from that concept. Is that necessarily acceptable?

 

I'm hoping that this will be resolved. Obviously there is going to be negative feelings. Especially considering this would have been I think[/i] EEF's and Tazzay's first in-cave sprite.

But I'm really hoping the community will bounce back from this.

It isn't the end of the world guys. Sprites can be touched up and brought up to par. If it's true that these sprites were made in a whole 48 hours, it's amazing they're even this well done. I have seen concepts take years to reach completion.

 

So spriter(s), whoever you are, thank you for this. Considering your time constraints, you did well. You honestly did.

"Once this agreement is in effect, permission to use the art may not be removed by the artist without

the consent of the owner of Dragon Cave. If the art is already in use, it may not be removed until a

suitable replacement has been found or created and is in use. In extreme cases, the owner of Dragon

Cave reserves the right to immediately remove art without the consent of the artist."

 

This is straight from the agreement every artist signs prior to release.

Edited by Odeen

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Oh.

My.

God.

 

How did I miss a three-day event?? Damn it! *beats head against desk*

The event is still going on. You did unfortunately miss the egg drop, but there may be some floating around the AP.

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The worst thing about all this is that nobody wins. EEF and Tazzay don't get their dragon in cave. The new spriter doesn't get credit for their sprite, because of the negativity attached to the whole ordeal.

 

We have a new dragon, and we're lucky for that. It is a shame it had to be this way.

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Considering the secrecy around Holiday releases, I don't think hardly anyone but the spriters and TJ see the dragon before it being released. Even artists don't know if their concept is going to be used until they see the egg in the cave at release. It is pretty much impossible for there to be a ready and waiting replacement for unforseen circumstances like this. Getting a new set done before they grow up is already a huge accomplishment.

I gave my kudos in the thread earlier to the spriter/spriters for getting stuff done on such short notice and I'm aware of the process that goes into sprite submission for a holiday. However, the public discussion between TJ and Tazzay makes it seem like this was a problem that could have been dealt with long before these made it to 3 hours before adulthood.

 

Either way, it doesn't change the fact that I was expecting a different dragon and upon seeing said dragon, concluding that I liked it a lot more. I'm still letting my current Val 2017's grow, but I stand by the fact that this could have transitioned much easier before getting to this point.

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"Once this agreement is in effect, permission to use the art may not be removed by the artist without

the consent of the owner of Dragon Cave. If the art is already in use, it may not be removed until a

suitable replacement has been found or created and is in use. In extreme cases, the owner of Dragon

Cave reserves the right to immediately remove art without the consent of the artist."

So, basically, no. DC did not have permission to use the concept, colors, etc. and make a cheap knockoff without spriter's permission, but did have the permission to remove the art?

 

 

I guess, then, it depends on whether or not you believe a concept belongs to its creator. It's still, in my opinion, a bad situation. sad.gif

 

No offense to DC staff or the spriter, but that's what this sprite was specifically intended to be; a quick, 48-hour perhaps, knockoff. And that's not right without an artist's permission, especially as this says nothing about the concept, the species, etc - only the sprite itself.

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The new spriter doesn't get credit for their sprite, because of the negativity attached to the whole ordeal.

The new spriter(s) explicitly asked for anonymity/to go without credit.

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The new spriter(s) explicitly asked for anonymity/to go without credit.

Exactly my point. They'd get so much drama for it. It's sad their art won't be properly appreciated.

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The event is still going on. You did unfortunately miss the egg drop, but there may be some floating around the AP.

It's not the adventure/event-thing I care about. And even if I saw them in the AP I'd never catch one. I never actually see the new event dragons in the AP. T_T T_T

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It's not the adventure/event-thing I care about. And even if I saw them in the AP I'd never catch one. I never actually see the new event dragons in the AP. T_T T_T

There was a huge wall a few hours ago, for a solid half hour. You only just missed them in the AP.

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Well, since people want to know -

 

~Removed~

 

This is what the original Cermorvous looked like. I don't know why it was changed without EEF's or my consent, but it was. Sorry to everyone.

 

EEF and I were treated rather poorly about this release.

ohh i am so fond of this sprite! i know there's no use dwelling on what might have been, but i'm nevertheless happy and grateful we at least got to see it -- thank you.

Edited by SockPuppet Strangler

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In all honesty, I prefer the old sprites better. They were much more softer and the new stage one hatchies looks too much like Spyro in my opinion, but with a rather fluffy bum than tail.

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Thanks TJ and his staff...

I am late......

 

I was busy with work... no breeding this time... sad.gif

 

Lovely hatchings... My EGGY just hatched... wub.gif

 

I didn't have time for the event...... WELL... next time. biggrin.gif

Thanks for making another wonderful Valentine~~~

 

**CHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU***

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I'm probably in the minority (because I'm trying to not let the drama cloud my judgment)

 

But I like the (majority) of the new adult sprite better than the old one. I think the antlers on the new one need some definition added to them, but overall I think it's a little more up to speed with the rest of the dragons on the site.

 

The old sprite, while still really good, seems kind of dated I guess? I'm not really feeling the wings.

Just my opinion though, they both look good.

 

I think the new one really should have some tweaks to make it perfect if the new spriter(s) are up to it? Or at least once all this hoopla calms down?

 

 

I did like the old baby sprites though, I kind of agree the new ones seem a little rushed and not well defined. No offense to the spriter(s), but I do think they could use some touching up.

 

 

Regardless of my opinion on the sprite drama, I have to say, thank you for the color combo-breaker. Nice to have a v-day dragon that's not red or pink!

Edited by Lady_Nightfox

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I've seen some drama here, but this takes the cake.

 

Both adults are nice. Yes, I prefer the original in almost every way. But since one side of the story is largely unknown, I'm not gonna take sides.

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"Once this agreement is in effect, permission to use the art may not be removed by the artist without

the consent of the owner of Dragon Cave. If the art is already in use, it may not be removed until a

suitable replacement has been found or created and is in use. In extreme cases, the owner of Dragon

Cave reserves the right to immediately remove art without the consent of the artist."

 

This is straight from the agreement every artist signs prior to release.

So if I'm understanding this correctly...

-If artists want their art removed, TJ needs to agree.

-If it is already in use, a replacement needs to be available to use.

-If absolutely needed, TJ can pull art without the artists agreement.

 

It makes me incredibly concerned about this entire situation, tbh. Obviously we do not have the right to know what happened. If it needs to be kept quiet, it will be kept quiet (though TJ, the acknowledgement of respect to the one who presumably caused the sprites to be pulled, noted and appreciated). Will the community be upset? Definitely. But we do not have the right to demand answers.

Dragon Cave can be considered a business, in a way (even though the only revenue is ads). TJ is CEO. He wouldn't purposely sabotage his users, nor his artists. That'd just be a bad business model to keep.

 

I'm going to trust that this was not taken lightly. After the uproar of Frills, BPs, Dovealove, all that good ol' drama, TJ was well aware of the out cry that would happen. Unless he's severely masochistic, I doubt he'd subject himself to that, nor anyone else to the negative emotions.

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This has to be one of the most intense releases we have had in a while. Kinda feels like watching a ping pong game.

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