Ascension

[catyuy]

So, back on topic (or Sock will warn me again ) - the idea of giving ascended dragons better or worse stats for breeding eggs was discussed for a while, and I think we arrived at the conclusion that there should be neither a better chance at breeding nor a worse one. However, breeding whole new dragons from ascended dragons might be an interesting idea. Just how do you think this might work that is not already covered with alts, color variations, alternate breeds (geodes) or crossbreeds (blunas, shallow waters, ultraviolets)?

Maybe the breeding of Ascended dragons results in random Magic or Specialty dragons? Ones that don't make sense being related to other dragons?

[FengShien]

Am I the only person here who doesn't care if this never ever happens anyway ?

 

*slinks away quietly*

I am with you. I just don't see the point. I rather have a completely new breed than an 'ascended' dragon.

[olympe]

Maybe the breeding of Ascended dragons results in random Magic or Specialty dragons? Ones that don't make sense being related to other dragons?

This might be an interesting twist... I sure think it might work, but I'm an optimist that way.

 

I am with you. I just don't see the point. I rather have a completely new breed than an 'ascended' dragon.

Have you ever seen ascended sprites?

 

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[platedlizard]

I've always been in favor of Ascended dragons, the sprites that I've seen for them are all fantastic and I really love the idea that you can do something more to an adult dragon than breed or use a BSA (if it even has one). It also rewards long-term players. I'm torn between showing the Ascended sprites in lineages (my personal preference) and allowing the player to decide if they want to see them. I chose the latter because I feel it will result in less drama, but the former is what I prefer.

 

As for breeding new types of dragons (new alts or even hybrids) from Ascended dragons, I'm torn again. Part of me really likes the idea, but part of me feels that it punishes newer players. The older player is already getting a totally new sprite, do we really have to limit a newer player's ability to get whole new breeds? I think if the time you can get an Ascended dragon was on the shorter end (3 to 6 months, maybe), it would be fairer.

Edited May 7, 2013 by platedlizard

[Fuzzbucket]

For once I would be quite happy with older players being able to breed something special. Ascended dragons are the one thing (so far...) here that would be based entirely on "seniority" and I think having them breed something different would be awesome. Maybe some strange hybrid ?

 

I am still not sure about seeing them in lineages though... they are so different.

Edited May 7, 2013 by fuzzbucket

[jumpsnake]

Just want to add my support for this. I voted that you can choose to see the ascended sprites or not, though for the same reasons as Platedlizard stated.

 

I would choose to see them. To me, it adds something to the cave-- the idea of a dragon becoming the old and wise form really appeals to me.

 

I also do like the idea of seniority... I think I voted for one year to be able to ascend in the old poll.

 

To those new players not into lineages right now.... I wasn't either for a long time. But it is pretty fun and I think many new players do eventually get into lineages. So don't be too quick to assume lineages are not important or are not something a lot of players are into.

[angelicdragonpuppy]

I don't really like the idea of Ascendeds breeding new hybrids/dragons. As awesome and ancient and powerful as they are, at the end of the day they're just a very strong and very old example of their breed, and neither of those two things add up to them being able to breed something their younger kin can't. Now, maybe they could use magic to SUMMON something, but we already have GoNs which are a pain so I'm not sure I'd like to go that route again.

[olympe]

As much as the idea of hybrids from ascended dragons does appeal to me, I'm afraid it might cause endless drama. I guess the amazing ascended sprites will have to suffice as a perk.

[ParticleSoup]

Completely agreeing with ADP here.

[OmegaGrox]

Hi guys, just had an idea.

 

What if every day after being on DC for, say, two months, there's a random chance that a dragon on your scroll will want to ascend? That way there's no cool-down, its guaranteed and its not too difficult to do. it could notify you every day like it does to sickness and you can decline the ascending if you want.

 

Its probably a bad idea, but it could work.

[Obscure_Trash]

Please no ascendeds breeding new hybrids. D: I think ascendeds are a treat on their own.

 

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I think an action itself is easier. That way the dragons you want to ascend are the ones that can ascend rather than having to wait for those specific dragons to want to ascend.

[Fuzzbucket]

Please no ascendeds breeding new hybrids. D: I think ascendeds are a treat on their own.

 

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I think an action itself is easier. That way the dragons you want to ascend are the ones that can ascend rather than having to wait for those specific dragons to want to ascend.

Right on Sock.

 

Not that I am particularly keen on the whole thing actually... So slap me with a wet haddock

[Darth Krande]

If it would be something like dimorphism (different sprite for male and female in some breeds while other dragons only have one adult sprite and happy with it) I think I like the idea. Increasing the chance of BSA or shortening the cooldown would be nice. Older vampires would finally get some experience in how to bite an egg without killing them!

 

My votes:

Time: 6 months or one year (maybe you could try like a BSA after six months, it would auto-happen after two years?)

Failure: I think increasing rate of success would be best (the "you throw the dice more times" trick does in theory increase overall success but please tell that my legendary dragons!)

Cooldown: try every month?

Limit: dunno. One per day? (not week based, if you don't ascend any dragon on one day you can't ascend two the day after)

 

Personally I very much would like to see an ascended mint dragon.

 

 

[Drakefyre]

I definitely support this! I saw some of the Ascended sprites. Amazing!

[Xythus]

I am with you. I just don't see the point. I rather have a completely new breed than an 'ascended' dragon.

I also agree with fuzzbucket. I don't care whether this idea becomes a reality or not. I do agree with the majority it is a cool idea though, but I think in some cases it will cause some disagreement with users.

 

For example: A user makes this gorgeous 10th Even gen Checkereds, with silvers and blacks. It was painstakingly hard work and took at least a year to complete, but it was worth it. However, one day Ascension was implemented, and along the lineage, some people ascended their silvers and blacks, making the lineage "imperfect". (Yes I'm aware some people who don't care about that, but I can safely say that there are a lot of lineage snobs like me out there!)

 

It's kind of like the same feeling of getting a 2nd gen metal and then all of a sudden one day, one of the CB parents shows a tombstone because the owner decided to kill it or got burned. Sure, it was their decision to do what they wanted with their dragons, but the people who owned any of their offspring was inconvenienced.

 

And then you're like... :I

 

TL;DR: I voted please be optional that Ascension shows up in lineages.

 

 

[~Vinr~]

Wasn't there an idea that, if this were implemented (which would be great - I remember the original thread and DEM SPRITES), there could be a lineage view option you could turn on/off that would either make ascension visible in lineages, or only show the breed's basic sprites?

 

If that makes any sense at all.

 

 

[minkymy]

Wasn't there an idea that, if this were implemented (which would be great - I remember the original thread and DEM SPRITES), there could be a lineage view option you could turn on/off that would either make ascension visible in lineages, or only show the breed's basic sprites?

 

If that makes any sense at all.

I believe that's what currently falls under optional right now - the ability to toggle ascendeds on and off in lineage pages.

Which I personally approve of.

[Ashywolf]

Hatchlings and eggs appear in lineage view. Why shouldn't ascended dragons?

[Syphoneira]

I believe that's what currently falls under optional right now - the ability to toggle ascendeds on and off in lineage pages.

Which I personally approve of.

 

 

That seems to me to be the only fair option...

[edwardelricfreak]

Zombies don't appear as their old species, and they can appear as tombstones or dragons. Nocturnes can appear in day or night form. Not the best analogy, but eh.

 

I don't really think it would make much sense for you to "turn off" ascended dragon images, especially if they're permanent.

 

I mean it would be good for preserving the look of some lineages, but as lineages aren't really the main part of the game I don't think it should be the deciding factor, sorry. :c

[diaveborn]

I would suggest that lineages *are* the main part of the game to a lot of people.

 

Plenty of people have said they didn't like zombies or tombstones in the lineage, and I personally love the idea that we (just for our own scrolls) could have an option to set so that we could view the lineage as it was at the time we got the egg. For example I personally hate the idea that a dragon I have could have a zombie sprite in the lineage (I could be getting mixed up but I think that's what would happen) as the zombie sprites really bother me.

 

Other people are more concerned about trading, as if they get an egg with a certain lineage for the purpose of future trading it could get messed up for them if the lineage were to change, and I think that makes the best point for a more universal (not just for our own scrolls) way to view the lineage at the time of the egg was laid or at the time its first owner got it.

 

Ascended dragons would maybe *increase* trade values but perhaps only for certain lineages - like Xythus mentioned, a perfect checker with random different sprites wouldn't be as appealing to many.

 

If I want to play as I do with most of my eggs coming from the AP, and having traditionally favored lineaged dragons to CB for most breeds of eggs I get from the AP, I have to live with the fact that the lineage may someday change (even these ideas about keeping sprites the same wouldn't change the fact that something could get renamed at any time to something I wouldn't like), but I'd personally rather not add anything else that could change it.

 

Edited December 4, 2013 by diaveborn

[edwardelricfreak]

I realize that, but it's really NOT the main point of the game. The main point of the game is to raise and collect dragons at your leisure, by whatever means you choose. So no, lineages aren't the main part, no matter what certain people believe. It could be the main part to THEM, but that doesn't make it the main part of the game.

 

I agree, it would disrupt some lovely lineages. But turning them off doesn't make sense. If you can't turn off Zombies or Nocturnes, where the transformation is temporary, why would you be able to turn off ascension, which sounds like a permanent thing?

 

Besides, maybe I want a lineage with an ascension checker or something but I don't like the normal sprites. I'd want ascension off if it ruins the lineage, but on if it makes it better...but that doesn't make sense.

[angelicdragonpuppy]

I would suggest that lineages *are* the main part of the game to a lot of people.

 

Plenty of people have said they didn't like zombies or tombstones in the lineage, and I personally love the idea that we (just for our own scrolls) could have an option to set so that we could view the lineage as it was at the time we got the egg. For example I personally hate the idea that a dragon I have could have a zombie sprite in the lineage (I could be getting mixed up but I think that's what would happen) as the zombie sprites really bother me.

 

Other people are more concerned about trading, as if they get an egg with a certain lineage for the purpose of future trading it could get messed up for them if the lineage were to change, and I think that makes the best point for a more universal (not just for our own scrolls) way to view the lineage at the time of the egg was laid or at the time its first owner got it.

 

Ascended dragons would maybe *increase* trade values but perhaps only for certain lineages - like Xythus mentioned, a perfect checker with random different sprites wouldn't be as appealing to many.

 

If I want to play as I do with most of my eggs coming from the AP, and having traditionally favored lineaged dragons to CB for most breeds of eggs I get from the AP, I have to live with the fact that the lineage may someday change (even these ideas about keeping sprites the same wouldn't change the fact that something could get renamed at any time to something I wouldn't like), but I'd personally rather not add anything else that could change it.

I second this completely.

 

It's really not fair that I can pay people for a certain lineage and then have that lineage changed after-the-fact on me. Apparently we can't say we accept IOUs in trading posts anymore because oh no we might get cheated, but it's perfectly ok for people to take my CB Gold, give me a 3rd gen Shimmer or whatever in return, and then kill one of the parents so that the trade value of what I paid for pretty much goes down the toilet?

 

Um. Not cool.

 

So I'm against anything that would make lineages even more changeable than they already are. Unless, as was mentioned above, there's some sort of "keep lineage as was originally obtained" option, which would solve a lot of problems, not just Ascension ones.

 

[edwardelricfreak]

And again, I'm saying it doesn't make sense to just turn off the Ascended images. They are a permanent stage...

 

It would have to be something to watch out for, yes, but I don't think there should be an option because it really doesn't make sense.

 

It's not that I hate lineages or I don't want there to be the option. I like the idea of the option, as it preserves the lineage, but it really REALLY doesn't make a lick of sense. If someone ascends their dragon, then I'm sorry, but there's nothing you can do about it. You can't stop anyone from naming or killing dragons in a lineage. And lineages are NOT the main part of the game.

 

Not showing ascended forms at all MIGHT be okay, but lineages show dragons in their current state, so it still doesn't make much sense.

 

I do like the option, I really really do, and I would feel bad for the people that do focus on lineages, but I can't support if it doesn't make sense.

[diaveborn]

I agree, it would disrupt some lovely lineages. But turning them off doesn't make sense. If you can't turn off Zombies or Nocturnes, where the transformation is temporary, why would you be able to turn off ascension, which sounds like a permanent thing?

 

I'm making the point that we *should* be able to turn off any lineage *changes*. So that includes zombies and tombstones that weren't there at the time of getting the egg. Not Nocturnes, because that's not a change - we know exactly what to expect if we get a lineage with Nocturnes in it. (Saying "we shouldn't turn ascension off because we can't turn off zombies" is a valid point but not a good counterargument to what I'm personally saying.)

 

Besides, maybe I want a lineage with an ascension checker or something but I don't like the normal sprites. I'd want ascension off if it ruins the lineage, but on if it makes it better...but that doesn't make sense.

 

That's why I like the idea of being able to see the lineage *at the time the egg's gotten*. Whatever you get at that point is what you'd see even if it changed later. So you'd be able to have a lineage with beautiful ascended forms if that's what your egg was. Or you'd have the lineage look non-ascended if that's what you got for your egg.

 

I'm not saying you're making bad points - a ton of what you're saying makes sense to me. Just wanted to clarify my own a little