ANSWERED:Suggestions to improve the raffle

[Fiona]

My first thought when the "dull colored" variants were suggested was, "What? really? Just, no. That wouldn't help anyone." However, since I started picturing a coal colored variant and decided they would be pretty awesome looking, I've changed my mind. I support the idea because I want one! Not as a consolation, just as an awesome looking dragon.

[HeatherMarie]

I've honestly always wondered why there aren't more black-ish dragons in the cave. I mean besides the black dragon, there are a couple breeds that have black as a main color, but... look at how many blue-ish dragons we have!

 

I'd looooove a coal-colored dragon (wasn't there at one point a coal-related Dragon Request? can't remember), I'm really excited that Mysfytt is on board with the idea!

 

Just for my own personal understanding of this whole raffle/Prize Dragons/etc mindset, I put it in my sig that I'd be happy to breed mine for others. Except mine are not CB (tho my Shimmer has a fairly nice looking lineage).

 

I'm coming at this from the POV of someone who doesn't give a crap about lineages, but I *want* to understand. I want to try to understand why sooooooo many people get so frustrated and upset about the fact that it's hard to get a 2nd-gen Prize Dragon. I can understand the "want to start pretty lineages" to a certain degree, but you can do that with the 100+ other breeds in the cave, too. If you just think it's an awesome sprite I guess you'd be willing to take any gen. Is there something in this whole lineage-mindset that makes it wrong or impossible to just start from what you have? Like, say you get a 5th-gen Shimmer, but you don't like how the lineage looked. Yes, it'll always be there, but if you want a Shimmer project of your own so bad can't you just start from where you are and do whatever it is you need to do to turn it *into* a stairstep or whatever? I'm honestly just trying to understand. I personally can't wrap my mind around the idea that a beautiful dragon is completely useless if it doesn't have a perfect lineage.

Edited January 18, 2014 by Marie19R

[Fiona]

can't you just start from where you are and do whatever it is you need to do to turn it *into* a stairstep or whatever?

 

It doesn't work like that. Those previous generations are still there and still show in lineage view. It spoils the look there to have unorganized generations there, or differently organized generations.

 

This is nicely organized. This, though still a stair, is less organized, less elegant, and less attractive. It starts with a new pattern at the 4th generation.

 

Again, beautifully organized.

This one? Not so much.

 

 

[DarkEternity]

Lineages are, quite unfortunately, a rolling snowball. If you start badly, it continues badly. With current prizes, this is especially impossible since many lineages are stairs which are unable to be continued as EGs. Some people have created nice EGs, but you need both the means and the inclination to do so. ^^;;

[mirjana]

Lineages are, quite unfortunately, a rolling snowball. If you start badly, it continues badly. With current prizes, this is especially impossible since many lineages are stairs which are unable to be continued as EGs. Some people have created nice EGs, but you need both the means and the inclination to do so. ^^;;

Aren't EGs harder to create, too? It all boils down to the way it looks and what each individual prfers, I think.

 

Some people don't care about lineage, which is great. Others do, and that's great too.

 

I don't think it "has" to matter. (And this is also half in response to Marie) but I think everyone can and should just do/look for what works for them in terms of aesthetic taste.

[mirjana]

Just to clarify -

the answer to your original question is yes - if TJ approves of a 'booby prize' of one coalskin CB prize (tinsel and shimmer and whatever else comes along) per scroll after every raffle (the effect would be cumulative after all) I will make a coalskin shimmer. Means I would get a CB tinsel finally after all .png even if it is just a coaling.

Ohhh that would be really beautiful! I'll be crossing my fingers for this.

[Nakuru]

My first thought when the "dull colored" variants were suggested was, "What? really? Just, no. That wouldn't help anyone." However, since I started picturing a coal colored variant and decided they would be pretty awesome looking, I've changed my mind. I support the idea because I want one! Not as a consolation, just as an awesome looking dragon.

Same here, I was pretty much into "no, don't want" crew, but I'm starting to get fond of the idea of a coal version and now I really wish it could really exist (and that I could one, too ).

[tjekan]

Not to be the wet blanket today, but if we suddenly released one coal shimmer for every single user next winter, what the heck would THAT do to shimmer ratios? Wouldn't there be basically no shimmer eggs laid for months (like happened to metallic eggs when they got skewed a couple years ago?)

 

If coal prizes would get counted as a separate species for ratio purposes then sure-- I mean when have I ever turned down a new dragon sprite, LOL! And shimmerscales would look very pretty in black. Less sure about tinsels, but if it was done right, maybe!

[Pixxelation]

I assume they'd have the ratios of a common. Each type of prize has its own ratios, as far as I'm aware.

 

I would LOVE coal variants. They'd be so pretty @_@ I imagine a Coal Shimmer would look somewhat like a black sequin dress.

Edited January 18, 2014 by PieMaster

[Obscure_Trash]

I was for a dull colored varient for other raffle users, but I've outgrown that a bit I think. It was a decision I made because I felt weighed down by the community and all the hurt surrounding the raffle. I am not for multi-clutches coming back either (tbh, I'm pretty sick of prize!fails in the AP and that's no one's fault, I'm just tired of not really seeing anything but cbs, 'messy' lineaged' and prizefails >.> ), but I would prefer that over a more mass release, I think. Although the lineages you could do might be pretty neat. Mostly, I would like to see prizes breeding better. I guess if it would make the community happier on a whole and perhaps lessen the chance of harassment against winners, then I'd be okay with it, but yeah. It's not my first preference. Having them more common and breeding better would be great, though, lol. There's no reason they should be that hard to get. D:

[Mysfytt]

Not to be the wet blanket today, but if we suddenly released one coal shimmer for every single user next winter, what the heck would THAT do to shimmer ratios? Wouldn't there be basically no shimmer eggs laid for months (like happened to metallic eggs when they got skewed a couple years ago?)

 

If coal prizes would get counted as a separate species for ratio purposes then sure-- I mean when have I ever turned down a new dragon sprite, LOL! And shimmerscales would look very pretty in black. Less sure about tinsels, but if it was done right, maybe!

They are technically a sub-species so would heave their own ratios which would not effect the metallic shimmer or tinsel ratios

[Obscure_Trash]

They are technically a sub-species so would heave their own ratios which would not effect the metallic  shimmer or tinsel ratios

I assume they'd have the ratios of a common. Each type of prize has its own ratios, as far as I'm aware.

 

I'd personally prefer verification from TJ re: these points.

Edited January 18, 2014 by SockPuppet Strangler

[DarkEternity]

In my opinion, it would be extremely interesting to see the impact of the distribution of the dull CB prizes on the trading market.

[mirjana]

I was for a dull colored varient for other raffle users, but I've outgrown that a bit I think. It was a decision I made because I felt weighed down by the community and all the hurt surrounding the raffle. I am not for multi-clutches coming back either (tbh, I'm pretty sick of prize!fails in the AP and that's no one's fault, I'm just tired of not really seeing anything but cbs, 'messy' lineaged' and prizefails >.> ), but I would prefer that over a more mass release, I think. Although the lineages you could do might be pretty neat. Mostly, I would like to see prizes breeding better. I guess if it would make the community happier on a whole and perhaps lessen the chance of harassment against winners, then I'd be okay with it, but yeah. It's not my first preference. Having them more common and breeding better would be great, though, lol. There's no reason they should be that hard to get. D:

I would be satisfied with a dull variant. It would go colour-wise with a lot more breeds and some very, very pretty lineages could be created with them.

 

I really don't think there's a need to retain the status quo or to keep the exclusivity of the cb prizes and their offspring to just a handful of people while the odds of obtaining either for most are incredibly slim to none.

 

A CB black or coal version would be a nice 'thanks for playing' thing, I think. Even if we were only limited to 1-2 for our scrolls.

[whitebaron]

In my opinion, it would be extremely interesting to see the impact of the distribution of the dull CB prizes on the trading market.

Well, first off, no real change on the prize mania. After all, coals would be something different, even if anyone could get one.

secondly, another market like 2g metals. Damned if you do, damned if you dont - it'll be hit or miss unless you trade with specific people for specific swaps.

thirdly - some more people might expect gifts as "the natural way to do it", since noone really did much to earn those coals.

[Hellen]

My only REAL problem with the raffles is how they impact the trading market.

 

I mean, you can only get real hits if you offer low gen shimmers nowadays.

Everyone and their mums asks for shimmers, everyone and their mums offer shimmers.

 

That is how my impression is lately.

 

 

 

I concur, too, that the raffles had been ... how to say it politely... the death stab to the polite conversation ability of many, many users.

 

My experience with the raffles are, that there is too much drama with it.

 

 

 

I am just posting this, because it is my own opinion.

 

But if I was the owner of this site, seeing how much drama happened around the raffles, I would stop them completely, render the prizes unable to breed true, and call it done.

 

:|

 

Sadly, that would create an uproar in the trading comunity, with people claiming that their only chance to trade would have been nullified (while I ask myself, how did we trade before the raffles and prize dragons? I saw a huge trading community before...)

 

 

Anyway, I know that point of view is unacceptable by many peoples.

 

 

So I would love to see a kind of condolation prize. Anywho who entered a ticket gets a dragon (I heard about the 'coal' version) that ONLY gets handed out to those who entered a ticket.

 

Because dissapointment leads to dissatisfaction, and dissatisfaction leads to ... yes. I don't need to say anything further...

[Naruhina_94]

I only have 18 slots at any given time on my scroll. Would you like to explain to me how I would be able to "deliver 40 crimsons" in 2 weeks, and have room for your CB copper on my scroll AND be able to raise what I want at the same time?

 

And as ADP above me said--please do point me to the owner of a CB prize who would charge so little for their 2nd gen offspring. Please.

 

Also, a 'dull' variant in the cave would be for those who simply want a caveborn version of the sprite. It would NOT reduce the value of the shiny versions in the least. So that is hardly 'wanting without giving'. I gave my time to play this game. It would be nice that I and everyone else who did the same and didn't win get a "thanks for playing" little something.

 

I am not asking for a CB prize for free. Lol.

I totally agree wth this.

 

Even with this:

Do please point me towards one Prize owner, other than the new wave of them, who have an open list asking for such things for a 2g Prize. Please. We would all much appreciate it.

 

It'd just be nice if the average 2g traded for only 1-2 CB Metals on average. The cave's natural rarest things for the cave's rarest less natural things, so to speak. I highly doubt they will ever fall below CB Metals in rarity, considering CB Metals are being produced at a rate of several a day while CB Prizes come in tiny amounts only once a year. Also, a coal version wouldn't replace the desire for low gens of colorful prizes, so that's not exactly comparable.

 

I've ready ALL pages until now from 35. Well the point is over and over the same: can we play equally? Giving a rare metallic dragon just to a small part of the players make too difficult for others reach their objectives. I like difficult challenges, but not a monopoly and absolute control of others above what I wish.

 

Also a prize dragon let you to collect MANY other "prizes" during the year since you could ask pretty everything for its offsprings. The multi-clutching and dull CB variant would help make the game fun for everyone. BUT it will not solve the problem, since as many of you said: we love collect everything, even the shiny version. As CB.

 

So, I totally support the Sheriziya suggestion about relase after some years the prize dragons into the cave. This would also let us to have MORE prize dragons relased, which is a good thing since the spriters are always wonderful

This is my suggestion to make original prizes still important even after a possible relase into the cave:

 

How many of you would say "no" if I would say that I'm gifting a CB gold right now?

I think that almost a very large group of people would love to have it...

So basically would be the same if Prize dragons would be relased as Sheriziya said in her original idea, after 5 years. They would still be rare and difficult to get, but it will depends on our ability and not from others to decide if we can get them.

 

A way to maintain evident the uniqueness of Prize Dragons even if Cb prizes would be relased into the cave: What about change their name color?

The lineage view would be still different, so the "real" CB prizes would become important as the current ALT Holiday spriters because there will be a visible difference between original prizes and not

 

Names sometime change a dragon value... see Midas Dorkface about this

 

EXAMPLE

 

Why we can't simple get a CB coal version until they will be relased? Than there will be both version, as Nebula!

[DarkEternity]

I admit that I kinda want to be able to catch CB Prizes incave, but:

CB HMs would then dominate the trading market, in particular the infamous holly.

This is somewhat complicated by the presence of CB alts.

 

[Naruhina_94]

I admit that I kinda want to be able to catch CB Prizes incave, but:

CB HMs would then dominate the trading market, in particular the infamous holly.

This is somewhat complicated by the presence of CB alts.

As we said the HM should be increased

I've always thought that Hollies are too rare... I know many of the CB names! They are less than 50 in my opinion

But this is another problem. In fact I'm still surprise that we are talking so much about shimmer, tinsel and prize dragons but not about previous holiday dragons. They have the same problem!

I have no CB sweetlings or Marrows () because I didn't knowed about the holiday relase until Christmas 2010. But I almost can ask to someone else.

I've traded a CB green copper for 2 x 2nd gen Sweetlings.

It's quite fair even if maybe a little high if you think :/

Edited January 18, 2014 by Naruhina_94

[whitebaron]

I admit that I kinda want to be able to catch CB Prizes incave, but:

CB HMs would then dominate the trading market, in particular the infamous holly.

This is somewhat complicated by the presence of CB alts.

It would be fun, but you'd run over the same 20 to 30 people who are the top notch hunters over, and over, and over again. Unless they were not rares, access would be restricted to the rich and fast as well.

 

 

Why wouldnt I want this again? Ah, right, bevause it would make people even more wanting and disappointed.

[Naruhina_94]

It would be fun, but you'd run over the same 20 to 30 people who are the top notch hunters over, and over, and over again. Unless they were not rares, access would be restricted to the rich and fast as well.

 

 

Why wouldnt I want this again? Ah, right, bevause it would make people even more wanting and disappointed.

I'm not agree with you. I'm saying to make prize dragons rare as gold and silver, not more. They would be difficult to get, not impossible!

They could be traded, finded and gifted, there are many treadhs about gifting rares.. this would be the case.

Also during their relase they would be easy to get, a previous announcament would be enought to advert people...

 

DC is an easy collecting game, it doesn't require specific actions or prerequisites, this would be a smart way to entroduce some new difficult. Users would like it because chances to get a 2nd gen or even a CB shimmer would be moderate and not nearly impossible... I don't see how this could make them even more disappointed.

They at least have a chance!

I'm gifting a CB silver to another user right now, I've traded a CB gold for 10 paper hatchies and I usually trade CB metals. They are not impossible to get, and more important of all: 2nd gen are very more easy to find!

 

Edited January 18, 2014 by Naruhina_94

[Sheriziya]

The suggestions are founded around letting hardcore collectors have a chance of obtaining 2gs without making it nigh impossible. I'm sure that by this stage, a lot of us have already collected the sprites we desire in excess and that 2g prizes amongst other things are one of the few points of interests that we would like to see opened up.

Errr.... I don't think the suggestions are founded on this. ^^ Especially the suggestion to make the CB Prize dragons rare in-cave dragons after about four years (my combo suggestion of several suggestions)

 

The point of this thread is to discuss ways we can come up with to improve the raffle. "Improve" means different things to different people too.

This I agree with ^^

 

Ok, so....

Give out a shiny Black prize to everyone who got a raffle ticket

- It gives everyone something

- Should greatly reduce the hurt feelings / feeling left out which is caused by the current raffle

And in addition, since the question about a release came up as well, could "serve" as some kind of release. True, not all players would get a new dragon, but as is said before, the players who entered the raffle will. And since we're all guesstimating there's quite an amount of players who entered the raffle, for many players it might feel like a monthly release of some kind. The "Yay, we get a new dragon"-feeling will be there instead of the "I didn't win anything"-feeling.

 

Change how Prizes breed

- make CB Prizes their own breed, so they produce lots of shinies?

- Adjust prize ratios in general so they produce shinies a lot more often?

- Have CB Prizes breed Shinies at a rate of 50%: half the time Prize, the other half is governed by the mate's ratios?

I'm not sure what you mean with "make CB Prizes their own breed, so they produce lots of shinies?" As for the rest, that's indeed what was included in the combo suggestion.

 

After the discussion, I'm more convinced than ever that simply increasing the number of Prizes isn't the answer.

 

The root cause of the problem is that Tinsels and Shimmers breed poorly and the demand for 2nd gens is astronomical. So get CB Tinsels and CB Shimmers breeding LOTS more shinies, and the market will correct itself.

Although I still believe there's a part "greed" (or whatever you like to call it) on some of the owners side, I do agree that something needs to be done to adjust the market. I have to go on assumption based on all comments, cause I haven't really traded for anything yet (I've been generously gifted really nice dragons ), but yes, the market needs to go down from the inflation.

 

thirdly - some more people might expect gifts as "the natural way to do it", since noone really did much to earn those coals.

Well, in the basis the CB prize owners did nothing more or less than you and I did to earn those prizes. We all entered the raffles and someone got lucky as his/her name was drawn.

 

So, where's the difference in that?

 

Just to clarify -

the answer to your original question is yes - if TJ approves of a 'booby prize' of one coalskin CB prize (tinsel and shimmer and whatever else comes along) per scroll after every raffle (the effect would be cumulative after all) I will make a coalskin shimmer. Means I would get a CB tinsel finally after all even if it is just a coaling.

Glad to see you like the idea and would be willing to recolor the shimmer

 

I admit that I kinda want to be able to catch CB Prizes incave, but:

CB HMs would then dominate the trading market, in particular the infamous holly.

This is somewhat complicated by the presence of CB alts.

I wonder if this will become a problem? After all, only with last years introduction of the "no limit on bred holiday breeds" is it possible to have more than 2 of the same holiday breed on your scroll. I think the hunt for hollies will always be on, but only during the Christmas holiday. After all, that's the only time they can breed true. Otherwise the market would already be unbalanced as far as the hollies is concerned, since apparently there aren't that many CB hollies.

 

But that's just my humble opinion

 

How many of you would say "no" if I would say that I'm gifting a CB gold right now?

I think that almost a very large group of people would love to have it...

So basically would be the same if Prize dragons would be relased as Sheriziya said in her original idea, after 5 years. They would still be rare and difficult to get, but it will depends on our ability and not from others to decide if we can get them.

I totally agree with you, Naruhina

 

A way to maintain evident the uniqueness of Prize Dragons even if Cb prizes would be relased into the cave: What about change their name color?

The lineage view would be still different, so the "real" CB prizes would become important as the current ALT Holiday spriters because there will be a visible difference between original prizes and not 

 

Names sometime change a dragon value... see Midas Dorkface about this

 

EXAMPLE

 

Why we can't simple get a CB coal version until they will be relased? Than there will be both version, as Nebula!

I'm not entirely sure what you mean with this suggestion. Does this mean the dragon looks exactly the same, but the name of the breed is different? Or am I understanding this wrong?

 

ETA: Naruhina's extended explanation and example:

The sprite would be the same for everybody. Only the original CB prize dragons would have their name written on a different color, so their lineage viewer would be showily different than a relased CB.

This would be a great way to leave prestige, nobility, greatness and uniqueness for the untouchables original CB Prize Dragons even with more relased CB identical sprites

Since we are talking about lineages and the CB prize dragons would be not more the only CB spriters this would distinguish them. They would look different:

click here to see, please

 

Adjustment to my combo suggestion is coming up

 

tl;dr: For those of you who haven't read it all:

 

Just as a reminder, why we started (and continued) this thread:

What's the base of this thread?

leaves most of the users only dreaming of getting a prize dragon, their only hope a long gen months, or even a year or more in the future. This seems to be especially true to new/casual players since they have very limited scroll space in comparison to veteran players who are already at their max spaces.

The ratio of breeding results from prize dragons seems not good (not enough prize dragons are being produced)

Creating lineages with prize dragons is hard because the lineage creator can't get the dragons s/he wants

Fear of (shiny) hatchies from multi clutches growing up through the AP and going to the wild instead of ending up on someone's scroll

Balance between low-gen and high-gen prize dragons for breeders both in obtaining and creating lineages

Not enough CB Prize dragons to make good lineages

With general Multiclutching offspring from carefully bred prize dragon lineages might go to the AP while to owner doesn't want this happening.

CB prize owners want to keep the feeling that they've got something exclusive.

Did I miss anything?

Which is all culminating in a trademarket which has gone insane (or a trademarket where we have no seemingly fair balance anymore), if I may deduce that from the comments. I don't have any experience in the trademarket, so I can't really say anything about it. This leads to the a general feeling amongst a (big?) part of our community:

Although DC was original a fun collectables games, it's become a trading game where it's become hard to actually collect every dragon you want.

I've left out the point about the mass PM of prize winners as I've come to understand this point may have been solved with a lot of thanks to Amazon Warrior's guide. The rest of the points don't seem to have been changed in the basis.....

 

Okay, inspired by all of the above and reading all the other posts from the pages since my last post, here's my suggestion with a small adjustment:

New adjusted suggestion

Base:

More raffles to spread the joy of the new prize dragons as well as the old (see the rest of the suggestion)

Higher success rate for breeding prize dragons as reports suggest that the success rate has gone down. Opinions differ on this and I haven't seen a conclusive answer on this question from TJ yet. If you've guys have seen it, please let me know and I'll link it here.

Adjustment to API/hatcheries to deny access to the eggs/hatchlings on the AP to prevent prize dragons from growing up through the AP and going into the wild instead of on someone's scroll. Or whatever other solution comes out of this thread.

Release of a Coal version of the prize dragons (Mysfytt has already stated she'd be willing to to recolor the Shimmers) as a consolation prize for all participants except prize winners since they already have the shiny prize dragon.

Fertility BSA for Multiclutching as suggested by TJ (or perhaps as a BSA on another dragon so that the original fertility can be kept? Please discuss that in the appropriate thread) in rework for the fertility BSA. Keep in mind Multiclutching gives (as far as I know) a maximum of 4 eggs of which we get to keep 1. These 4 eggs may be divided as followed: 4 prize dragons, 3 prize dragons and 1 kin, 2 prize dragons and 2 kins, 1 prize dragons and 3 kins, 4 kins.

Or, instead of the rework for fertility: Olympe's multiclutch suggestions for the prize dragons only, as TJ already stated he's interested in this idea:

CB: Chance of breeding up to 4 eggs.

2nd gen: Chance of breeding up to 3 eggs.

3rd gen: Chance of breeding up to 2 eggs.

4th gen and higher: no multi-clutches possible (unless mated to a holiday dragon during its breeding season)

Change the name color of the original CB prize dragon which has been given as a prize as you can see here in a lineage example (see the name "Gold Epica" in comparison to the names of the other dragons). That way it would be clear this is the dragon who was won in the raffle instead of stolen from the cave several years later.

Prize dragons released during the years following this last raffle:

Raffle 1: special dragon 1 for prizes (1,2 and 3) in raffle, Shimmer-scales and Tinsels retire and become available for HM as CB. All participants except prize winners get the coal-version of the prize dragon.

Raffle 2: special dragon 1 for prizes in raffle, Shimmer-Scales and Tinsels are still retired and available for HM as CB. All participants except prize winners get the coal-version of the prize dragon.

Raffle 3: special dragon 2 for prizes in raffle, special dragon 1 retires and becomes available for HM as CB, Shimmer-Scales and Tinsels become available from now on as a rare dragon in the cave. All participants except prize winners get the coal-version of the prize dragon.

Raffle 4: special dragon 2 for prizes in raffle, special dragon 1 is still retired and available for HM as CB. All participants except prize winners get the coal-version of the prize dragon.

Raffle 5: Special dragon 3 for prizes in raffle, special dragon 1 becomes available from now on as a rare dragon in the cave. Special dragon 2 becomes available for HM as CB. All participants except prize winners get the coal-version of the prize dragon.

Raffle 6: Special dragon 3 for prizes in raffle, Special dragon 2 is still available for HM as CB. All participants except prize winners get the coal-version of the prize dragon.

Raffle 7: Special dragon 4 for prizes in raffle, special dragon 2 becomes available from now on as a rare dragon in the cave, special dragon 3 becomes available for HM as CB. All participants except prize winners get the coal-version of the prize dragon.

Etc.

What would be the consequences of this?

• Exclusivity: Original CB Prize owners will have a true exclusivity for about 4 years/raffles (2 years/raffles of the dragon as a prize in the raffle + 2 years/raffles possibility to choose the dragon as HM amongst a variety of other possibilities). After that I think they'll still have a certain exclusivity as they are the ones who started the original lineages. Also many of the original prize dragons are listed on the wiki and I think players will keep asking for offspring of these lineages, like others already stated. AND the prize dragons would become RARE dragons in the cave, like the Golds and Silvers so it wouldn't be like everyone can easily get them.

  And with changing the name color it will always be obvious which CB prize dragon was won in the raffle (as that's what many people want for an ancestor) and which weren't.

• All players (Like Fuzz stated) have an equal chance to get something exclusive from the raffle (albeit limited to 4 years/raffles per prize dragon species), including "people with terrible connections, ancient machines, or arthritis which makes them unable to hunt well". After those first four years/raffles those people will have a chance in the cave too, but it might be limited to connections, etc.
• The fertility BSA Multiclutching makes it possible for prizeowners to donate/gift/whatever multiple eggs if they want it.
• With a fertility BSA Multiclutching instead of a general multiclutch for all dragons, prizeowners can still create their perfect lineage (as in perfect for them, not judging lineages here ) and decide who to gift an offspring from their carefully bred lineage. They don't HAVE to use multiclutch on their lineage dragons (or whatever dragons for that matter) if they don't want to.
• We get new blood for prizedragons on a regular basis which will keep the flow of low-gen prize dragons as well as high-gen prize dragons going. In my personal opinion it might also help in creating lineages you might otherwise not be able to create or would have to wait months/years before you'd be able to create it.
• The trademarket gets balanced again. Obtaining rare dragons becomes a possibility (still with hard work) for new(er)/casual players too instead of this only being available to those who have been here long and/or can be here all the time to catch and/or breed everything they need for the high-end trades. And thus prize dragons become something all players can get at some point, instead of something that's "dangling over our head, always just out of reach".
• With the consolation prize the hurt feeling over the raffles will probably subside for a (greater?) part. After all, everyone wins in some way.
• With a consolation prize release amongst all raffle enteries, many people will also have the "Yay, new release"-feeling and, in a way, it would contribute to the monthly releases. In this case we'd have a release (albeit it limited to all raffle participants) between the Christmas release and the Valentine release. Perhaps even more people will join in the raffle event, cause after all, they'd get a new dragon whether or not they won the grand prize. (this would also mean not so much extra work for TJ instead of a completely new release to the cave, I think....)
• More prize dragons can be released, cause I can imagine there are a lot of spriters out there who have wonderful ideas for prize dragons. And it will give the possibility to have prize dragons with other kind of breeds, like pygmies, drakes, etc.
• If Olympe's suggestion is implemented instead of the fertility rework BSA Multiclutching, we'd probably get more offspring in the cave, depending on ratios, of course. Breeders wouldn't have a choice, though, so I can imagine some of them would be against that option.
• IMHO DC becomes a collecting game again instead of a game ruled for a greater part by the trademarket. And after all, DC did start out as a collecting game we all loved, didn't it?

Questions remaining

1. Will prize dragons now actually produce more prize dragons (as in ratio questions)? I don't know. Some say they breed perfectly fine, while others say they're hard to breed. Apparently this is also dependant on the mate you choose. It seems changing a mate might actually help in getting better results. I do think, though, we have a better chance to get more prize dragons into the community.

2. Will it stop shiny hatchies from growing up through the AP? That's the big question. That will only happen if a solution for that particular problem can be found, like stated in the base of my suggestion.

3. Which prize dragon should get the coal version? Do we start with both the Tinsel and the Shimmers, which means TJ would have to give out Coal versions with the release of the prizes this year? And then with every new prize dragon, a new coal version, like I've stated now in the suggestion? That would mean the old coal versions wouldn't be available anymore, but since it's a consolation/participation prize, I'm fine with that.

4. Anything else that's not been answered/solved?

Edited January 18, 2014 by Sheriziya

[purplehaze]

I personally think that increasing the breed rate of the current low gen Prizes would go a long way to solving the problem. Multi-clutching I am not sure about. I am a little afraid that it might make some Prize owners not want to breed their dragons because they can't control where the offspring go. Some Holly owners have had that reaction since get codes no longer allow people to pick eggs off the AP before they appear to others. "I won't breed them if I can't decide who gets them!"

 

Other than that I really think we should wait and see what effect that has on the trade market, which seems to be the concern that most people have. After all, the number of CB Prize dragons will double when TJ passes out the new ones. Although I saw a few of the new owners talking about wanting to swap 2nd gens with other owners first, so . . .

 

But theoretically more CB prizes + better breeding success should = better chances for those who absolutely must have 2nd gens.

 

I was initially against the idea of a consolation prize for all who enter the raffle, but I am beginning to think it might take some of the pressure off.

 

ETA: I know TJ feels that the number of Prizes awarded was appropriate, but I was really surprised and disappointed by the very low number of HMs awarded. With the increase in Prize winners, there should have been a corresponding increase in HMs, in my opinion.

Edited January 18, 2014 by purplehaze

[Naruhina_94]

I'm not entirely sure what you mean with this suggestion. Does this mean the dragon looks exactly the same, but the name of the breed is different? Or am I understanding this wrong?

The sprite would be the same for everybody. Only the original CB prize dragons would have their name written on a different color, so their lineage viewer would be showily different than a relased CB.

This would be a great way to leave prestige, nobility, greatness and uniqueness for the untouchables original CB Prize Dragons even with more relased CB identical sprites

Since we are talking about lineages and the CB prize dragons would be not more the only CB spriters this would distinguish them. They would look different:

click here to see, please

Edited January 18, 2014 by Naruhina_94

[Sheriziya]

Ah, now I understand! THanks for the explanation and the extended example. I'll include it in the suggestion!