Twilight

[Dragonsroar]

I like reading the books, though the romance, I literally get sick about. Twilight also came up on my summer reading list, so that's how I first got into the series, plus a suggestion from a friend of mine. I've finished up all the books as well.

[Branndi]

I like reading the books, though the romance, I literally get sick about. Twilight also came up on my summer reading list, so that's how I first got into the series, plus a suggestion from a friend of mine. I've finished up all the books as well.

I can see how that is possible *Nods*

 

I like the romance in Twilight, but even I have my limits and there are times when I want screaming and yelling rather than the lovey dovey stuff.

 

That was actually one reason I liked New Moon because we got a little break from that, though I still missed Edward Lol

Edited August 13, 2008 by Branndi

[GiveMeEnvy]

Twilight is a series of books? What is it about? I love reading.

[Branndi]

Twilight is a series of books? What is it about? I love reading.

Yes, it is a book series consisting of four books; Twilight, New Moon, Eclipse, and Breaking Dawn. Then of course, the first one has also been made into a movie being released in December.

 

I am not real good at explaining things since I tend to just give away all the plots and stuff Lol But here, you can check out the wiki site: Twlight Wiki

 

Just becareful for spoilers when you look at the individual books listed because they do contain spoilers and such.

[shikaru]

.......If I EVER meet someone who says Breaking Dawn is their favorite book...

 

I WILL punch them in the face

[GiveMeEnvy]

Sounds kool, I will rent the first book at the library once I finish the one I have now. I am into things like that, basically books that are fantasy, I get enough of reality so its nice to escape in books.

[Branndi]

.......If I EVER meet someone who says Breaking Dawn is their favorite book...

 

I WILL punch them in the face

You have finally posted!! I have been waiting for you to since I knew you were wanting to finish up Breaking Dawn first.

 

So you didn't like it, huh? Welcome to the club then! Lol So many bad things about it...so very, very many.

 

 

GiveMeEnvy: When you get a chance to read it and finish it, come back and tell us what you thought. Love or hate it...doesn't matter!

Edited August 13, 2008 by Branndi

[GiveMeEnvy]

Sure no problem. It will probably be about 2 days before I can rent it and will take me 2 more days to read it depending how engrossed I am in it so I will definitely revisit this thread when I am done.

[shikaru]

.......If I EVER meet someone who says Breaking Dawn is their favorite book...

 

I WILL punch them in the face

You have finally posted!! I have been waiting for you to since I knew you were wanting to finish up Breaking Dawn first.

 

So you didn't like it, huh? Welcome to the club then! Lol So many bad things about it...so very, very many.

Surprisingly, I didn't want to strangle Bella as much as I wanted someone to kill Jacob........so very badly... *twitch* His section of the book was torture...long drug out repetitive whiny torture...

 

Which lends itself to my theory that the only reason most people hate Bella is because we're inside her head....because I liked Jacob...until he narrated...

 

I did like the part with the other vampires coming in, that was actually...interesting...that or I was just really bored today...|D

 

I was surprised by Alice's comeback, I didn't expect the what happened there.

 

and Jasper's relationship with J. Jenks was a bit amusing.

 

and Bella in pain for a whole chapter. That was nice.

[Panlah]

No one will post in my topic!! XDDD

 

Was my accusation too accurate?!

[shikaru]

Ugh...I agree there Panlah...

 

This book took things...too far...

 

Seriously...Meyer is a great writer. Both Twilight and The Host are amazing books...

 

but it seemed that Twilight as a series got worse as it went on...

 

I do still have hope for Midnight Sun though, simply because I know she can't get too crazy with it as Twilight's events are already definite...

 

It just seemed like Breaking Dawn was giving in to every crazed fanfiction writer's wishes....except maybe Jacob and Edward running off into the woods together (My friends and I joked that that was how it was going to end up ')

[Panlah]

I honestly don't think she's that great a writer. Her book is filled with an abusing relationship. She basically SAYS having a relationship like Bella and Edward had is normal.. desirable. It's disgusting. We're supposed to be idolizing a character like Bella for her "strong, independant" nature, when she is completely entranced and dependant on Edward as a lifeline.

 

 

tl;dr, but I read it all.

When it comes to media influences, we are most concerned with what our heroes do. After all, they are supposed to be the most admirable of people. A villain’s actions are assumed to be questionable, but the hero is, well, essentially noble. Why is it, then, that no one seems to be concerned that Edward Cullen, hero of the bestselling books Twilight and New Moon, is an abusive boyfriend? His actions repeatedly demonstrate a dangerous mentality of dependency and control.

 

The first thing any girl hears in a dating violence discussion is that jealousy is not love. Yet Edward is critically jealous of Jacob Black, one of Bella’s family friends. Edward pushes Jacob aside from the end of Twilight where, when Jacob asks Bella if she’d like another dance, Edward answers “I’ll take it from here.” Perhaps Bella would prefer to dance with Edward – but it’s her decision to tell Jacob that, not Edward’s. The situation only escalates as Jacob becomes closer to Bella. In a confrontation at the end of New Moon, Bella is genuinely afraid for Jacob’s life. Fans of the series might say “Oh, but Jacob is a werewolf – they’re historical enemies.” Would this excuse an English beau from threatening an Irish friend?

 

Moreover, in Eclipse, Edward is intent on keeping Bella from associating with Jacob at all. When she says in the first chapter that she’s planning on visiting Jacob without Edward if necessary, he says simply “I’ll stop you.” That is to say, he is willing to use physical force rather than let his girlfriend see one of her closest friends. And it does come to force – to removing a vital part from Bella’s truck and bribing Alice to keep Bella under house arrest when he isn’t around.

 

A general dislike of Jacob would be understood. But taking steps to prevent your partner from spending time with someone that you dislike is abuse, plain and simple. And his surprising calm after Bella kisses Jacob seems more indicative to me of a cycle of abuse and reconciliation than any real resolution.

 

Jealousy is a control tactic. As such, it is often paired with isolation – a technique most familiar in cult dynamics. As soon as Edward and Bella begin dating, Edward criticizes her friends as ‘shallow.’ Bella soon stops going anywhere with other friends. Not having formed strong bonds before Edward appears on the scene, Bella never bothers to form them at all. The isolation is so complete that when Edward leaves in the beginning of New Moon, Bella spends three months in a depressed state before rediscovering her other friends. Yes, it’s understandable to want to spend time with your boyfriend. But when you have quite literally no life outside of them – when their absence leaves you so utterly lost – that is unhealthy. And it is wrong of Edward to encourage it. As already demonstrated with Jacob Black, Bella is capable of forming strong friendships when Edward isn't monopolizing her time.

 

Moreover, a part of this isolation is fully and unarguably intentional. When Edward leaves Bella, he flat-out forbids Alice, Bella’s best friend at the time, from seeing her. His motivation? To ensure a “clean break.” But it is Bella’s right to decide when and how she wants to forget about their relationship. Presuming to dictate her healing process for her is the height of control – it is assuming that you have the right to a person’s thoughts.

 

Abandonment is yet another control tactic. It is emotionally jarring, disruptive, and, if timed properly, can convince the target that their life is less worthwhile without the abuser. I have been the subject of this treatment myself – and, if it were not for my close friends, it would have worked. Thanks to isolation, Bella has no such friends. When Edward resurfaces, she immediately clings to him more desperately than before. He has become her only lifeline.

 

Of course, Edward resurfaces in that he attempts suicide. I don’t care what Romeo and Juliet says: suicide is not romantic. Apart from being mentally unstable, this is characteristic of abusive boyfriends. Many abused women remain with their boyfriends because they believe that they still love each other. They often feel responsible for their boyfriend, who tells them “I can’t live without you.” For obvious reasons, Bella doesn’t want to be responsible for Edward’s death. But because of this fear for his life, she stays in a self-destructive relationship.

 

Perhaps Edward didn’t realize that Bella was alive when he tried to kill himself. But that just proves that he was unstable enough to go through with it – he had made the threat long before he made the attempt. Bella did not laugh off the threat – it shocked and horrified her. If Edward hurt himself, she felt it would be “because of her.” And that puts a burden of responsibility on her that no person can or should be made to bear.

 

This sense of responsibility for his welfare also extends to lying to her father. Encouraged deception is a red flag for an abusive relationship. Yes, you can argue that Bella shouldn’t tell her father about Edward’s vampirism for the same reason that she wouldn’t tell anyone if he had AIDS: respect for privacy. But it is expected that she would tell her father when she is with her boyfriend. Lying is unnecessary. You can argue that Edward does not encourage her to lie, instead asking her to tell someone where she is. But this statement is consistently followed with ’So I know that if I kill you, I’ll get in trouble for it.’ (“To give me some small incentive to bring you back,” p 214) Predictably, it has the opposite effect: Bella, out of her sense of responsibility for her boyfriend, keeps their dates secret. Thus serving Edward’s ends. Many teenagers will lie to their parents about their dates without a second thought. But this doesn’t make it right. In fact, it only shows that Edward can’t plead ignorance regarding how Bella would react to his statement. Any mind reader will know what she’d do.

 

Time and time again in Twilight, Edward frightens Bella. Fear is emotional abuse. It can also be used to assert control. Fans might say that Edward is constantly telling Bella how much he wants to kill her and giving unnecessary displays of strength in order to convince her not to stay with him. Why, then, doesn’t he take the lead and stay away from Bella? Why didn’t he stay in Alaska? Why didn’t he simply switch Biology classes? Because he’s “selfish.” If he is unable to stay away from her, he has no right to scare her. Calmly explaining the danger – once, as accurately as possible, without hyperbole – will suffice. And then a boy who really cared would help her take necessary precautions for her safety. For example, telling Charlie when they would be together. Or, having Carlisle chaperone. Or by having a double date with Alice and Jasper, or by sticking in public places, or any of dozens of other measures, since Edward clearly doesn’t believe that feeding often is precaution enough. But that would prevent Bella from swooning over his “devotion.”

 

For that matter, why is he under the impression that seeing the dents his shoulders left in a car is insufficient to remind her that he is, in fact, stronger than your average human?

 

Finally, Edward refuses to allow Bella to make her own decisions. She insists she does not want to go to the prom – he brings her there without telling her. She insists she doesn’t want a birthday party – he gives her a surprise party. She does not want to leave Charlie while James is loose – he throws her in the back seat and tells his brother to hold her down. When she resists, he either works around her back or manipulates her decision, kissing her until she forgets her argument. Real boyfriends respect their girlfriend’s right to a decision. Abusive boyfriends must make all the decisions – using force if necessary. It doesn’t matter whether he thinks he’s acting in her best interests or not. Free will is non-exchangeable. And it should be.

 

The circumstances of their engagement is a perfect example of his inability to let her make her own decisions. He agrees, at the end of New Moon, that he will change her into a vampire if and only if she marries him first. Marriage is not a bargaining tool. Vampirism and marriage are both commitments – but they are separate commitments, and should be discussed separately. The fact that he never intended for her to make that bargain, that he used it as a delay, is not an excuse. Rather, it is further evidence of a need to manipulate the relationship according to his wants and needs.

 

Likewise, when Bella decides that she does not want to apply to Dartmouth, he ignores her and forges her signature on the paperwork. Going to a college outside of the Ivy League will not place Bella’s life or even her general comtentment in danger. Yet he resolves that it is his decision to make, not hers.

 

A parallel incident can be found when he forges a note to Charlie in her handwriting on the day he leaves her in the middle of the woods. Yes, it turned out to be a good thing that Charlie knew that she was out there when she went missing, but no, that doesn't excuse forging a note when it would have been just as easy to write the note as himself.

 

For those fans who insist on some definite physical, non-negotiable sign of abuse, recall how Edward enters her house after leaving her in New Moon and hides every one of her personal possessions associated with himself. Destroying someone’s stuff is never Ok and always an abusive act. Even – especially! – when he’s trying to control her healing process. Add the fact that Edward is prone to watching Bella while she sleeps – repeatedly, without her knowledge – and you have one very unhealthy relationship.

 

Yet in Eclipse, we seem to have a point of some resolution. As Eclipse moves on, Edward makes the radical decision to let Bella take some control of her own life and her own friendships. As it draws to a close, he even comes to realize that it was wrong of him to think he knew what was best for her. Awareness, I have always thought, is the most crucial step in dealing with an unhealthy relationship. Does this mean that Edward and Bella have finally worked their problems out?

 

Unfortunately, I don’t think that this is the case. Because there remains one crucial element of domination in this relationship that has not been addressed – possessiveness. Talking of marriage, Edward says, “I want the world to know that you’re mine and no one else’s.” This is not normal, and it is not healthy! Even married couples have a life outside of each other. That sentiment, “You’re mine,” might seem a mark of devotion, but it is a denial of Bella’s full humanity. That mentality remains whether the couple is aware of it or not. And it will resurface eventually.

 

That, I think, is more dangerous than any poison could be. The fact that such a deadly emotion could hide under the mask of love. The most frightening part of the story of Edward and Bella is not that he hurts her, is not that she loves him regardless, it is that when in the height of Edward’s controlling madness Jacob asks if he could possibly be an abusive boyfriend… Bella does not even consider the thought.

 

The difference between love and obsession is not an idea to be ignored.

(This rant belongs to Aldorel from Gaia)

 

 

Edited August 14, 2008 by Panlah

[shikaru]

Like I've said earlier in this thread, I don't know why her writing style appeals to me, it just does.

 

I still stand by my theory on Bella and hearing her thoughts as to why I hate her....though I hold that for only the first book.

[Panlah]

I hate her because Meyer falsely characterizes her in her interviews. She claims she's a strong, independant, smart woman.

 

I've seen no evidence that proves those qualities exist in her.

[shikaru]

I can kind of see where she intended for the strength and independence thing to come across....

 

but half her actions defy that and the "smart" part....that I can't find much to.

[Panlah]

That's why I hate Bella. She's in complete possession of Edward and is too stupid to realize he's being abusive.

[StarDragon411]

I like that there was an interview with Meyer here's what she said about the books.

 

"When [she] write the story, it's not like [she] think about what [she is] doing."

 

"People always look for the meaning [that I put into the books], and there is none."

 

Uhh, Stephenie, last time I checked a story must have four parts: Plot, character, setting, and theme. Meyer killed three out of the four. (I give her credit for setting.)

Edited August 14, 2008 by StarDragon411

[Branndi]

God...I go to take a nap for a couple of hours and I come back to so much reading Lol

 

Stephenie Meyer should have taken a page out of J.R. Ward's book because when she writes her books, she also just kind of lets it take over and types how it flows in her mind. However, when she is done, she reads it, re-reads it, and gives it to a couple more people to read to get their opinions.

 

Honestly, that is why Stephenie should have done with Breaking Dawn this time around because I don't think that any san person would have told her that it would be smart to publish that book...or would have at least told her to change Nessie's name

 

When I read her MTV interview about the backlash, I was little annoyed that she kind of blamed all the fans for us disliking the book by saying that we were the ones who hyped up the book too much and therefore set our own high expectations and were doomed to be disappointed.

 

Yeah.....no. Honestly, she shouldn't have made such a big deal out the book if she wasn't prepared to like deliever. But that is just my personal opinion. Because really, I don't think she did. Like I said...I am totally Team Trilogy now cause as far as I am concerned, Breaking Dawn shouldn't even be considered part of the Twilight series at this point and we should all just count Midnight Sun as the fourth book.

[pandamonium]

Huge Twilight fan here

I loved Twilight, but I was disappointed with Breaking Dawn, as most other fans were.

Super excited for Midnight Sun, I read the first chapter on Stephenie Meyer's website, and Edward's POV is great..I love getting to hear his thoughts as well as what he hears in other's minds.

[Branndi]

Huge Twilight fan here

I loved Twilight, but I was disappointed with Breaking Dawn, as most other fans were.

Super excited for Midnight Sun, I read the first chapter on Stephenie Meyer's website, and Edward's POV is great..I love getting to hear his thoughts as well as what he hears in other's minds.

I am so anxious for Midnight Sun! Yay! Because I just want to see how everything was from Edward's point of view.

 

I wish Meyer would go through the whole series doing books for Edward, but she's not...so le sigh.

 

Well except for Breaking Dawn...she should never ever do something like that again...from anyone's point of view.

[pandamonium]

God...I go to take a nap for a couple of hours and I come back to so much reading Lol

 

Stephenie Meyer should have taken a page out of J.R. Ward's book because when she writes her books, she also just kind of lets it take over and types how it flows in her mind. However, when she is done, she reads it, re-reads it, and gives it to a couple more people to read to get their opinions.

 

Honestly, that is why Stephenie should have done with Breaking Dawn this time around because I don't think that any san person would have told her that it would be smart to publish that book...or would have at least told her to change Nessie's name

 

When I read her MTV interview about the backlash, I was little annoyed that she kind of blamed all the fans for us disliking the book by saying that we were the ones who hyped up the book too much and therefore set our own high expectations and were doomed to be disappointed.

 

Yeah.....no. Honestly, she shouldn't have made such a big deal out the book if she wasn't prepared to like deliever. But that is just my personal opinion. Because really, I don't think she did. Like I said...I am totally Team Trilogy now cause as far as I am concerned, Breaking Dawn shouldn't even be considered part of the Twilight series at this point and we should all just count Midnight Sun as the fourth book.

She said that!? Must've missed that vid!

Ugh, she can't blame us for breaking dawn!

Hype or no hype, it was not comparable to the rest of the series, in my opinion.

[shikaru]

Well except for Breaking Dawn...she should never ever do something like that again...from anyone's point of view.

Hopefully she doesn't XP

 

And I'm very hopeful for Midnight Sun...the first chapter amuses me. X3

Edited August 14, 2008 by shikaru

[pandamonium]

Huge Twilight fan here

I loved Twilight, but I was disappointed with Breaking Dawn, as most other fans were.

Super excited for Midnight Sun, I read the first chapter on Stephenie Meyer's website, and Edward's POV is great..I love getting to hear his thoughts as well as what he hears in other's minds.

I am so anxious for Midnight Sun! Yay! Because I just want to see how everything was from Edward's point of view.

 

I wish Meyer would go through the whole series doing books for Edward, but she's not...so le sigh.

 

Well except for Breaking Dawn...she should never ever do something like that again...from anyone's point of view.

I agree, she should continue in his perspective, Id especially love to read Eclipse that way..

[shikaru]

Huge Twilight fan here

I loved Twilight, but I was disappointed with Breaking Dawn, as most other fans were.

Super excited for Midnight Sun, I read the first chapter on Stephenie Meyer's website, and Edward's POV is great..I love getting to hear his thoughts as well as what he hears in other's minds.

I am so anxious for Midnight Sun! Yay! Because I just want to see how everything was from Edward's point of view.

 

I wish Meyer would go through the whole series doing books for Edward, but she's not...so le sigh.

 

Well except for Breaking Dawn...she should never ever do something like that again...from anyone's point of view.

I agree, she should continue in his perspective, Id especially love to read Eclipse that way..

Eclipse would be VERY interesting from Edward's point of view '

[Branndi]

Sadly, Meyer already said that she won't be doing New Moon or Eclipse from Edward's point of view because New Moon is too depressing for her, from Edward's mind frame, and she doesn't want to put herself in that type of mode.

 

Midnight Sun is going to be the only book that we get from Edward, which I think kind of stinks. It's like teasing us and then refusing to give up anymore. I would really, really love to see how New Moon looked through Edward's eyes.