Xenowyrm breeding pattern

[lilch]

I have found a way to get the info back. Not saying how yet, because I don't want that person to ruin it, but there is a way to get the info back. My sister is saving a copy and I've PM-ed Ylvanne.

yay!

[Rubin]

A few more of mine grew up and I tried breeding them to CBs with "cave", didn't get any of the results you wanted though. D: I have a few more growing up tomorrow so will try again then. Hopefully someone else has better luck.

Well I do not necessarily WANT those results. If there is a way to get these babies to breed true, all for the better. That was just me being curious.

 

Edit: and of course my Chrono girl decided to refuse my Radiant Angel

 

But yay for getting the info back. Way to go Messenger!

Edited July 3, 2015 by Rubin

[Ylvanne]

Okay.

So I fixed the Spreadsheet. Thank you very much MessengerDragon ^^

Now, I'll give the pass to a few people, so they can help me with the updates and everything

 

If you want to help with this, please send me a PM.

If I get too many, I'll only choose from the ones I know closer. I'm sorry guys, but I don't want to risk the sheet again

[lilch]

here's my theory - if you breed a xeno with a dragon that COULD have come from the xeno's biome (but didn't) then it breeds false.

 

if it doesn't fall in that xeno's biome, then it breeds true.

[Ylvanne]

here's my theory - if you breed a xeno with a dragon that COULD have come from the xeno's biome (but didn't) then it breeds false.

 

if it doesn't fall in that xeno's biome, then it breeds true.

Maybe not

Last line of the AStrapi breed puts down your theory

It's a male Astrapi with a female Blue Gem and they breed a Pyro D:

[Ruby Eyes]

Xenowyrm type: Astrapi

Gender: Male

-

Mate: Skywing

Biome: Cave

Elemental affinity: Air

Mana: Change

-

Result: Gaia

 

 

Xenowyrm type: Astrapi

Gender: Female

-

Mate: Swallowtail

Biome: Cave

Elemental affinity: Air

Mana: Change

-

Result: Astrapi (auto'ed)

 

 

Xenowyrm type: Gaia

Gender: Female

-

Mate: Terrae

Biome: Cave

Elemental affinity: Earth

Mana: Creation

-

Result: Gaia (auto'ed)

Edited July 3, 2015 by Ruby Eyes

[danicast]

Xenowyrm type: Thalassa

Gender: Male

Mate: Solstice

Biome: coast

Elemental affinity: time

Result: Thalassa

 

Xenowyrm type: Chronos

Gender: Female

Mate: Radiant Angel

Biome: volcano

Elemental affinity: magi

Result: Chronos

[Rubin]

Maybe not

Last line of the AStrapi breed puts down your theory

It's a male Astrapi with a female Blue Gem and they breed a Pyro D:

They produced a Gaia, which corresponds with the Gemshard's biome.

 

 

And then there is this from the Chrono section:

 

Male Hellfire Wyvern Female Volcano Fire Destruction Pyro

Male Hellfire Wyvern Female Volcano Fire Destruction Chrono

 

And while it seems random at fist I don't think it is. On the contrary.

 

The first of those two Chronos bred the Xeno aligned with the biome of its partner.

The second one bred true.

 

So it's basically exactly what Messenger Dragon and I have been suspecting.

 

 

EDIT:

 

Xenowyrm type: Astrapi

Gender: Male

-

Mate: Skywing

Biome: Cave

Elemental affinity: Air

Mana: Change

-

Result: Gaia

And that would be where I see the 'quirk'. (Or I might be totally off track )

Edited July 3, 2015 by Rubin

[lilch]

 

The first of those two Chronos bred the Xeno aligned with the biome of its partner.

The second one bred true.

 

So it's basically exactly what Messenger Dragon and I have been suspecting.

yeah yeah yeah!!! *furiously wags tail*

 

me too!

[Ylvanne]

Breeding is supposed to be working normaly already... So maybe the theory isn't quite right T___T

Oh my, my head hurts with this...!

[Yhme]

Got two no interests and this, which I like very much

http://dragcave.net/lineage/VF9g3

What?! That works? I tried with the genders reversed, and got a Thalassa instead

 

Xenowyrm type: Mageia

Gender: Male

Mate: Spessartine Pyralspite

Biome: Coast

Elemental affinity: Earth

Mana: Creation

Result: Thalassa egg

 

Xenowyrm type: Pyro

Gender: Male

Mate: Grave dragon

Biome: Desert

Elemental affinity: Fire

Mana: Destruction

Result: Pyro egg

 

Xenowyrm type: Chrono

Gender: Female

Mate: Holly

Biome: Cave

Elemental affinity: Life

Mana: Creation

Result: Chrono egg

 

I dunno what's going on with these. Will lurk more

[danicast]

One more:

 

Xenowyrm type: Chronos

Gender: Female

Mate: Gold

Biome: alpine

Elemental affinity: earth

Result: Chronos

[Rubin]

Well, looking through the spreadsheet I see nothing that contradicts the theory. I think we have to distinguish between three different situations:

 

 

Situation 1: Xeno x Non-Xeno (regular biome):

 

Outcome 1: the Xeno breeds true

Outcome 2: you get an egg from the Non-Xeno breed

Outcome 3: you get the Xeno corresponding to the Non-Xeno's biome

 

 

Situation 2: Xeno x Non-Xeno (Cave):

 

Outcome 1: the Xeno breeds true

Outcome 2: you get an egg from the Non-Xeno breed

Outcome 3: you get a random egg from the other 5 Xeno types

 

 

Situation 3: Xeno x Xeno:

 

This seems to be completely random, like it is with the Stripes

 

 

Of course I might also be completely wrong, but this is my theory so far.

[Ruby Eyes]

So basically, if there is a number of non-xeno biomes != 1 involved, any resulting Xeno is random

Edited July 3, 2015 by Ruby Eyes

[Ylvanne]

Well, looking through the spreadsheet I see nothing that contradicts the theory. I think we have to distinguish between three different situations:

 

 

Situation 1: Xeno x Non-Xeno (regular biome):

 

Outcome 1: the Xeno breeds true

Outcome 2: you get an egg from the Non-Xeno breed

Outcome 3: you get the Xeno corresponding to the Non-Xeno's biome

 

 

Situation 2: Xeno x Non-Xeno (Cave):

 

Outcome 1: the Xeno breeds true

Outcome 2: you get an egg from the Non-Xeno breed

Outcome 3: you get a random egg from the other 5 Xeno types

 

 

Situation 3: Xeno x Xeno:

 

This seems to be completely random, like it is with the Stripes

 

 

Of course I might also be completely wrong, but this is my theory so far.

Seems logical.

Can Birdz say if we're right?

She doesn't have to say how it works, just if this is the correct theory

[danicast]

The last one

 

Xenowyrm type: Pyros

Gender: Male

Mate: Mageia

Biome: desert

Elemental affinity: ?

Result: Mageia

[Apollotrix]

Here's one:

 

Xenowyrm type: Thalassa

Gender: Male

-

Mate: Mistletoe

Biome: Forest

Elemental affinity: Life

Mana: Creation

-

Result: Thalassa

 

Edited July 3, 2015 by Apollotrix

[lilch]

so, has anyone had any successful swallowtail x Xeno breedings? just tried 2 and got back to back refusals.

[lilch]

Here's one:

 

Xenowyrm type: Thalassa

Gender: Male

-

Mate: Mistletoe

Biome: Forest

Elemental affinity: Didn't find Mistletoe's entry in the Encyclopedia... (Does it have one?)

Mana: See above.

-

Result: Thalassa

 

http://dragcave.net/dragonopedia/1419

[Rubin]

Some more breeding results, now that my own Xenos finally grow up:

 

Xenowyrm type: Pyro

Gender: Male

-

Mate: Desipis

Biome: Alpine

Elemental affinity: Dark/Magi

Mana: Destruction

-

Result: Pyro

 

 

Xenowyrm type: Astrapi

Gender: Male

-

Mate: Magma

Biome: Volcano

Elemental affinity: Fire

Mana: Destruction

-

Result: Astrapi

 

 

Xenowyrm type: Thalasa

Gender: Male

-

Mate: Hellfire

Biome: Cave

Elemental affinity: Fire

Mana: Destruction

-

Result: Thalassa

 

 

Xenowyrm type: Mageia

Gender: Male

-

Mate: Nebula (blue)

Biome: Desert

Elemental affinity: Light

Mana: Creation

-

Result: Mageia

[Laura-Lana]

Gah. Breeding those Xenos isn't easy. I have 6 adults now and got 3 eggs, two complete refusals and 1 no egg.

 

Rubin, if that theory is correct then (provided a xeno egg is breed) the odds wouldn't be even distributed between following the xeno parent and following the other partners biome.

 

I mean with Astrapi we have 8 Xeno eggs that are not from an Alpine partner and only one isn't true to species, same with Thalassa (okay no note for the sweetling biome so lets say 7 Xeno eggs and only one not true to form)

 

With Mageia we have 10 with non desert mates and only 2 not true to form.

 

With Chrono we have 16 with non forest mates and 5 not true to form

 

Gaia 13 non jungle and 3 not true to form

 

Pyro 12 non vulcan and 2 not true to form

[lilch]

Xenowyrm type: Chrono

Gender: Male

-

Mate: Frill

Biome: Cave

Elemental affinity: Neutral

Mana: -

-

Result: Chronos!

[Fly-by-Night]

So basically, if there is a number of non-xeno biomes != 1 involved, any resulting Xeno is random

That's a question of rations, isn't it? If we see it like Rubin and assume we have the same probability for each category, there'd be a 33.33 % chance of the Xeno breeding true (not considering refusals / no interests / no egg):

 

Situation 2: Xeno x Non-Xeno (Cave):

 

Outcome 1: the Xeno breeds true

Outcome 2: you get an egg from the Non-Xeno breed

Outcome 3: you get a random egg from the other 5 Xeno types

 

If we just say there's two categories, non-Xeno breed OR any Xeno (with no bias towards breeding true), the probability for the Xeno breeding true is different (either around 8%, if we assign 50 % to the Non-Xeno breed and 50 to all Xenos taken together, or 14 % if Non-Xeno is as probable as any Xeno breed).

I might be wrong, though; Maths has never been my strong point.

Edited July 3, 2015 by Fly-by-Night

[Esdren]

so, has anyone had any successful swallowtail x Xeno breedings? just tried 2 and got back to back refusals.

I've had two successes, one with Astrapi and one with Gaia.

[lilch]

btw, can someone add my desipis breeding to the spreadsheet?