Posted July 3, 2015 You've got to consider that people might not report results they consider boring/unsurprising or repeats of existing results, so our results will probably be skewed somewhat in the direction (numbers-wise) of pairings that produced a Xeno different to the Xeno parent. We can use it to determine what's possible but not how frequently it occurs. Very true. I only reported the one "weird" result one and not the other 6 breedings. Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 Xenowyrm type: Gaia Gender: Male - Mate: White Biome: Cave Elemental affinity: Life/Light Mana: Creation - Result: Gaia Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) So glad my first batch of adults grew up last night, I can contribute. I'm not sure about the affinity thing because I haven't really paid attention to it before now, do please correct me if I'm wrong! I did add mine to the GDoc. Xenowyrm type: Thalassa Gender: Male - Mate: GoN Biome: - Elemental affinity: Neutral Mana: - - Result: Thalassa Xenowyrm type: Mageia Gender: Female - Mate: Magi Biome: Coast Elemental affinity: Magi Mana: Change - Result: Mageia Xenowyrm type: Chrono Gender: Female - Mate: Falconiform Biome: Volcano Elemental affinity: Fire Mana: Destruction - Result: No egg Xenowyrm type: Gaia Gender: Male - Mate: Purple Ridgewing Biome: Alpine Elemental affinity: Air Mana: Change - Result: Gaia Xenowyrm type: Astrapi Gender: Male - Mate: Gemshard Biome: Jungle Elemental affinity: (don't know about this one) Mana: Change - Result: Gaia (!) Xenowyrm type: Pyro Gender: Female - Mate: Desipis Biome: Coast Elemental affinity: Dark/Magi Mana: Destruction - Result: Pyro If anyone has requests for breedings for my next hatchling batch (ones we need to see/reproductions of existing results) do please post here/let me know, I want to make them count. (Thalassa female, Chrono male, Astrapi female, Pyro male, Gaia female, and Mageia male.) Edited July 3, 2015 by Chalkboard Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) Chrono: Male Hellfire Wyvern Female Volcano Fire Destruction Pyro ! There seems to be at least a partly random element to this Male Hellfire Wyvern Female Volcano Fire Destruction Chrono ! Trying to reproduce this didn't work May I suggest a theory? The people were breeding Chronos wyrms. Therefore there are two possibilities. One is getting the same type as a result - the second attempt listed gave another Chrono. The other possibility is getting the type that is influenced by the other parent - in this case both the biome and the affinity/mana both suggest pyro, so I can't be sure which of them are actually the influencers. However, I think both the biome and the mana affects things. The mana has many examples, feel free to find them yourself, it's not hard with this thread around. A biome example is here: Pyro: Female Desipis Male Jungle Dark/Magi Destruction Gaia Female Desipis Male Volcano Magi/Dark Destruction Pyro Neutrals generally seem to let the wyrm breed true unless their biome makes an influence. Legendary Dragons seem to act as neutral as well, so that GoN x A-type xenowyrm can equal A-type xenowyrm (or an avatar) Lastly, xenowyrm x xenowyrm = random Chrono: Female Chrono Male Forest Time Change Gaia It has been shown that A-type x A-type can equal B-type. However, I have not yet found evidence that A-type x B-type can equal C-type. One point missed is that nobody that has tried breeding them with a non-CB dragon has posted, so there is no information on that type of pairing. Hopefully this has been useful and easy enough to follow and understand. If you have any more ideas, I can add them to this post if you wish. By the way, Birdz, can you give any info as to whether any of my ravings are accurate? Edit: this post explains everything wonderfully! Now to try breeding with 2nd gens... Edited July 4, 2015 by MessengerDragon Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) Xenowyrm type: Astrapi Gender: Male - Mate: Frill Biome: Cave (Non-specific) Elemental affinity: Neutral? Mana: - - Result: Astrapi http://dragcave.net/lineage/rJuRC - - - - - Xenowyrm type: Thalassas Gender: Female - Mate: Daydream Biome: Cave (Non-specific) Elemental affinity: Change Mana: Air? - Result: Thalassas http://dragcave.net/lineage/tkzgb Im not fully versed on the mana thing, so Im not sure which to list the Daydream as. Edited July 3, 2015 by Chuint Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) Neutrals generally seem to let the wyrm breed true unless their biome makes an influence. Legendary Dragons seem to act as neutral as well, so that GoN x A-type xenowyrm can equal A-type xenowyrm (or an avatar) Lastly, xenowyrm x xenowyrm = random This is what I read out of the Spreadsheet: The Sheet lists 14 pairings of Xenowyrms with Non-Xenos and Non-GoNs that didn't breed true. 2 of those pairings produced the OTHER parent's egg. The other 12 resulted in the Xeno that corresponds with the OTHER parent's biome. ----------------------------------------------------- 1 pairing Xeno x GoN yielded a different Xeno egg And obviously pairing Xeno x Xeno has its own rules. So based on this my theory is that a Xeno will mostly breed true with Non-Xenos with a small chance that the Non-Xeno parent's biome influences the outcome (which I suppose makes more sense than making it dependent on the Mana/Element since those are pretty unevenly spread among the existing dragon species) Edited July 3, 2015 by Rubin Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) The other 12 resulted in the Xeno that corresponds with the OTHER parent's biome. Yes. I mentioned at the start that a xeno x non-xeno can give: A) The type of the xeno parent. The typo of xeno that corresponds with the OTHER parent's biome/mana. Chrono: Male Hellfire Wyvern Female Volcano Fire Destruction Pyro ! There seems to be at least a partly random element to this Male Hellfire Wyvern Female Volcano Fire Destruction Chrono ! Trying to reproduce this didn't work May I suggest a theory? The people were breeding Chronos wyrms. Therefore there are two possibilities. One is getting the same type as a result - the second attempt listed gave another Chrono. The other possibility is getting the type that is influenced by the other parent - in this case both the biome and the affinity/mana both suggest pyro, so I can't be sure which of them are actually the influencers. Sorry if it wasn't clear. EDIT: 1 pairing Xeno x GoN yielded a different Xeno egg It did? Which one? I didn't find one like that. Interesting... maybe xeno x GoN = random? Also, yes, it does seem that breeding true is more likely than breeding a different one. Edited July 3, 2015 by MessengerDragon Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) I understood you the first time around. What I'm saying is that I don't think Mana has that much of an influence on the outcome of the breeding, due to the above-mentioned reason of the alignments being too uneven throughout all of the dragon species. It did? Which one? I didn't find one like that. Interesting... maybe xeno x GoN = random? Also, yes, it does seem that breeding true is more likely than breeding a different one. The first pairing in the Gaia section. Though there is a chance that that egg is one of the 'freaks' if it was bred right after the first Xenos grew up. Like the Gold x Thalassa one. Edited July 3, 2015 by Rubin Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 Oh, sorry, I guess I misunderstood your post then. Yes, it does seem biome has a much larger influence. Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) (sorry for the long post. ;3; I test bred some of my Xenowyrms earlier and thought I could try contributing to the data. my results aren't anything special other than that I only bred female Xenowyrms and two of the breedings were with CBs from the "cave".) Xenowyrm type: Astrapi Gender: Female - Mate: Magma Biome: Cave Elemental affinity: Fire Mana: Destruction - Result: Astrapi _____________________________ Xenowyrm type: Astrapi Gender: Female - Mate: Swallowtail Biome: Cave Elemental affinity: Air Mana: Change - Result: Astrapi _____________________________ Xenowyrm type: Astrapi Gender: Female - Mate: Silver Biome: Forest Elemental affinity: Light Mana: Creation - Result: Chronos _____________________________ Xenowyrm type: Thalassas Gender: Female - Mate: Gold Biome: Alpine Elemental affinity: Earth Mana: Creation - Result: Thalassas _____________________________ Xenowyrm type: Thalassas Gender: Female - Mate: Radient Angel Biome: Alpine Elemental affinity: Magi Mana: Change - Result: Thalassas Edited July 3, 2015 by suskekun222 Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) Xenowyrm type: Mageia Gender: Male - Mate: Heartstealer Biome: Coast Elemental affinity: Neutral Mana: - - Result: Mageia (added to the spreadsheet, too) Edited July 3, 2015 by Ruby Eyes Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) I don't know if it has been suggested before, but why if it is a scroll-related thing? I've breed six of them, the ones with the female xeno produced the same breed, the only two with the male xeno produced related with the biome of the mother.. So for me it's a biome-related thing, but I have seen in other scrolls that it works differently so this is why I came up with this supposition Male xeno offspring example 1 Male xeno offpring example 2 (already posted two pages before) (I'll add them all in the spreadsheet now ) Edited July 3, 2015 by Mistyca_7 Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 So for me it's a biome-related thing, but I have seen in other scrolls that it works differently so this is why I came up with this supposition Male xeno offspring example 1 Male xeno offpring example 2 (already posted two pages before) Differently as in how? Got any examples? Because the two eggs you just posted both point to the theory of a percentage of eggs reacting to the non-xeno parent's biome. Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) Differently as in how? Got any examples? Because the two eggs you just posted both point to the theory of a percentage of eggs reacting to the non-xeno parent's biome. Yes, for me it works that way I was saying that for other users it was also working differently, if I recall correctly what I read here last night So this is way I thought about a scroll-related thing (like the color of the chrismas dragons, but not in the same way, I don't know if it is clear, sorry) Edited July 3, 2015 by Mistyca_7 Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) Xenowyrm type: Thalasa Gender: Female - Mate: Desipis Biome: Forest Elemental affinity: Dark/magi Mana: Destruction/Change - Result: Chronos - and accidentally auto-abandoned to boot - grrrr. but this one definitely points toward it being a result of the biome of the mate... Edited July 3, 2015 by lilch Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) Did anyone breed their Xeno with a dragon that has 'Cave' listed for their biome (other than GoN) and got something other than the Xeno of the parent's type? Birdz mentioned a 'little quirk' last night. That might be connected with Non-Xeno parents that have the original Cave listed as their biome (as GoNs do, even though technically they don't have a biome) So far it seems to me that you've got a very big chance that any Xeno you breed may breed true (like 5 in 6? I don't know, since all we have to go by is the spreadsheet). And if it doesn't, the biome that the Non-Xeno partner originates from decides what Xeno you get instead. (This obviously doesn't depend on the partner#s gender either like it does with Coppers). Now the 'little quirk' might well be that having a partner from the 'Cave' biome adds a random element to the mix. As that 'biome' is not aligned with a certain type of Xeno in theory it could produce all of them (which would explain the Pyro from GoN x Gaina in the spreadsheet) Edit: Oh wonderful.... Someone doesn't get enough attention in real life it would seem... Edited July 3, 2015 by Rubin Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) What just happened to the spreadsheet!!?? it got trolled I do believe. I pmed Ylvanne. Edited July 3, 2015 by lilch Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 Did anyone breed their Xeno with a dragon that has 'Cave' listed for their biome (other than GoN) and got something other than the Xeno of the parent's type? Birdz mentioned a 'little quirk' last night. That might be connected with Non-Xeno parents that have the original Cave listed as their biome (as GoNs do, even though technically they don't have a biome) So far it seems to me that you've got a very big chance that any Xeno you breed may breed true (like 5 in 6? I don't know, since all we have to go by is the spreadsheet). And if it doesn't, the biome that the Non-Xeno partner originates from decides what Xeno you get instead. (This obviously doesn't depend on the partner#s gender either like it does with Coppers). Now the 'little quirk' might well be that having a partner from the 'Cave' biome adds a random element to the mix. As that 'biome' is not aligned with a certain type of Xeno in theory it could produce all of them (which would explain the Pyro from GoN x Gaina in the spreadsheet) as soon as I'm not locked anymore I'll check it out with a frill - provided I ever have any males. Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 Got two no interests and this, which I like very much http://dragcave.net/lineage/VF9g3 Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 Thank you for PMing me! Sadly, I have no back-up copye because I was VERY tired last night and fell asleep very early. However, I'll try to put everything together again and give the pass to some people I trust so they can update with me. It will be seen by everyone, but only updated by a few Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 Not me. :/ And whoever is writing to that moron, stop it. All they do is get off on it. Just ignore them and next time we'll just have to use a spreadsheet that is NOT public. Lesson learned I'd say. Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) Did anyone breed their Xeno with a dragon that has 'Cave' listed for their biome (other than GoN) and got something other than the Xeno of the parent's type? A few more of mine grew up and I tried breeding them to CBs with "cave", didn't get any of the results you wanted though. D: I have a few more growing up tomorrow so will try again then. Hopefully someone else has better luck. Also, oh wow, o_o I read through the spreadsheet while it was still messed up, dang. I'd probably expect this behaviour anywhere else, but not here on DC. Anyways, Xenowyrm type: Gaia Gender: Female - Mate: Swallowtail Biome: Cave Elemental affinity: Air Mana: Change - Result: Gaia _____ Xenowyrm type: Pyro Gender: Male - Mate: Ribbondancer Biome: Cave Elemental affinity: Light Mana: Creation - Result: Pyro Edited July 3, 2015 by suskekun222 Share this post Link to post
Posted July 3, 2015 I have found a way to get the info back. Not saying how yet, because I don't want that person to ruin it, but there is a way to get the info back. My sister is saving a copy and I've PM-ed Ylvanne. Share this post Link to post
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