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CellyBean
Posted: Dec 13 2016, 12:33 PM


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okay so i havent seen a thread like this but if there is then im sorry.

what this thread is about is that reading through this forum is that there was no raffle last year meaning no new cb prize dragons given out.

i want the raffle to come back this year and the years after so that people can have a chance to get a cb prize OR AND WHAT I WOULD PREFER is that every one who participates in the christmas event gets a prize dragon no matter what for this year and all the years after

so it would look like this
i am active in the christmas event this year so i have an option from
-gold tinsel
-silver tinsel
-bronze tinsel
-gold shimmer
-silver shimmer
-bronze shimmer
all cb
next year if im active again i get the same choice however if i am not active then i dont get any prize dragon

thoughts?

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It seems like the current range of choices for getting CB Prizes back in the game are:
(from most liked in the thread to least liked in the thread)

1) The Store/Trader's Canyon
- Which may or may not happen (Currently: no confirmation by TJ)
- If it does happen, it won't be anytime soon and possibly not in the same way that the request is currently designed.
- Loss of "Prize" association
- Places a price tag on dragons that may make it difficult for different players to afford the dragons due to differing play styles
- Current design allows you to buy as many prizes as you can if you have the points for it, but getting points is limited to a weekly cap
--- Points are gained through catching eggs, raising dragons, breeding, and using BSA's
- Allows you to accumulate enough points to buy a Prize Dragon every 4-5 months if you stockpile all your points, consistently max out your weekly cap, and don't spend on anything else

2) A Prize for Completing [insert Holiday] Event
- 1 Prize Dragon of the player's choice per event per year (so you can only get a single CB prize a year for completing any one of the holiday events that year)
- Alternative: Chance to win 1 Prize per holiday event (Max of 3 prizes a year)
- Relatively easy way to get CB's; just require event completion
- Number of CB obtainable is limited
- Unable to get CB Prize if miss the event
- Maintains "Prize" association

3) A Prize for a specific Mini-Game
- 1 prize of the player's choice per completion of mini-game
- May or may not be tied to specific Dragon Cave Events
- May or may not be able to play multiple times to get more CB Prizes
- May restrict access to CB Prizes for players who can't play [insert mini-game here] well
- Maintains "Prize" association

4) Earning a "Prize" for reaching Achievements (ex: raising/breeding/catching [insert number] Dragons)
- Prizes given from bronze to gold as ascending number of achievements are met
- May be unattainable for players with certain play styles
- Possibly tie getting CB Prizes to trophies?
---- (Will people who already have gold trophies get all the Prize dragons or just gold versions or no prizes at all?)
- Alternative: Win prize for [insert time length] of active play
---- (What defines active play?)
- Maintains "Prize" association

5) "Summon" a Prize Dragon via a BSA of a Dragon
- Can get Prize eggs via a similar mechanic to Summoning GoN's, with all the pros and cons of the "Summon" BSA
- May force players to collect a dragon they were never intending to collect to get the Prize dragons
- Relies on chance for summoning the Prize
- May take years to get prizes if not enough of [insert Dragon breed]
- Loss of "Prize" association, but maintains reward aspect (reward for successful summon)

6) Release in the Cave
- Functions as essentially another shiny rare dragon breed, with all the pros and cons of another shiny rare breed
- Obtainable in the cave to all players
- May be all year round or limited to Holiday Seasons
- No limitations on number or color other than set rarity,
- Biggest influences are outside the game: internet quality, computer age, and the player's physical ability
- May lead to discrepancy in scrolls seen in other CB shiny rares
- May affect trading market similar to other shiny rares
- Good luck finding one
- Good luck catching one
- Loss of "Prize" association, but maintains victory aspect ("You caught a rare!")
- Potential: Much more likeable if the release makes the Prize dragons very common

7) Lotteries
- A Raffle like give a way of CB Prizes (See Raffles for more info)
- Similar pros and cons as Raffles: Random chance, small pool of winners, possible warping of trade market; exacerbated effects of loss of CB prizes due to small numbers in circulation
- Not associated with events
- Weekly, Monthly, Quarterly, or other time frames for the lotteries (Just not yearly)
- May lower anxiety and toxic nature of raffles by making them more common and predictable
- Removal of custom codes to make it easier for Prize dragons to be distributed
- Potential: Adds on blacklist for those with bad behavior during lotteries
- Potential: Creates rule to let winners repeat getting a prize every [insert time length]
- Potential: Unclaimed Prizes get dropped in to the AP for people to find. (Imagine finding that.)
- Maintains "Prize" Concept

8) Raffles
- Relies solely on chance for players to receive Prize Dragons
- No Longer active at the moment
- Tied to the Winter Holiday Events
- Led to the current situation of a near minuscule amount of players with total control of CB Prize Dragons and low lineage offspring
- Pushed the trading market in the favor of the few players with the CB Dragons
- Loss of breeding CB Prizes from Scroll Burning (multi-scrollers), Frozen Dragons, Released Dragons, Unclaimed Prizes, In-active Players, etc. have an incredible effect on number of CB Prizes and Low gen offspring due to the low number of dragons handed out by this mechanism
- Tends to bring out a toxic atmosphere amongst the playerbase that pits winners against losers
- Maintains "Prize" Concept
- A Very disliked option
- VERY.

Honorable Mention
9) Any one of the above
- Players that just want CB Prizes in some way or form and don't care too much about the method.

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Anything I am missing? Any suggestions on changing the order?

Note: This order is not my personal order, but just from what I got from following the thread.
- Numbers 1 and 2 look most liked to me, while Numbers 6, 7, and 8 look most disliked.
- Numbers 3 through 5 are not nearly as clear as which one is more disliked than the other.

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Feel free to update the list. I stopped paying attention to this thread, after awhile.


This post has been edited by CellyBean on Jan 23 2017, 10:58 AM
VixenDra
Posted: Dec 13 2016, 12:40 PM


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I'd rather not have the raffles back, once they got stopped last year.

I personally like the 'took part in the Holiday event and finished all the tasks? you can choose your prize dragon, 1 per year". you know, so if you start an event you get a badge but if you also complete the event you get a Prize dragon of choice. This is just the only fair way of distributing such special dragons... raffles were only causing drama and frustration, especially as it was the ONLY way to get a CB Prize.

I'm not sure if I want CB Prizes on my scroll right now, after proceeding so far in expanding progenies of my current pairs I'm not sure if I'd let my work get wasted and replaced my current couples for CB couples (which would take 12 years to collect all the needed adults) but I'd still like the CBs to be available to everyone on equal requirements and without random luck.

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Posted: Dec 13 2016, 12:42 PM


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It would be cool to have the raffle again, but I disagree for the idea that everyone can get a prize dragon. I'd keep the same system we had, so the dragons would still be rare.
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Posted: Dec 13 2016, 12:43 PM


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QUOTE (kreepers_killer @ Dec 13 2016, 12:42 PM)
It would be cool to have the raffle again, but I disagree for the idea that everyone can get a prize dragon. I'd keep the same system we had, so the dragons would still be rare.

well not everyone would get a prize. people who werent active and didnt complete the event wouldnt get a prize. one thing that can be done to even it out a bit is to make the events a bit harder to complete but still with hard work you can get a prize
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Posted: Dec 13 2016, 12:49 PM


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QUOTE (CellyBean @ Dec 13 2016, 12:43 PM)
well not everyone would get a prize. people who werent active and didnt complete the event wouldnt get a prize. one thing that can be done to even it out a bit is to make the events a bit harder to complete but still with hard work you can get a prize

It would be good, yes, but cb prize's rarity would be totally messed up, and people who already won previous years would be mad that their dragon would be less rare (and trades for 2nd Gen eggs would be harder to do since they would be more common)

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Posted: Dec 13 2016, 12:49 PM


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I'd really like to see prizes become a high price option in an eventual in cave 'shop,' as outlined here: https://forums.dragcave.net/index.php?showtopic=165916

I'd rather not see the raffles come back (too low a chance) nor your suggestion (too high a chance). I think an option that allows people to get them after a good amount of effort is the best way to make them both valued but obtainable. smile.gif
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Posted: Dec 13 2016, 12:53 PM


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QUOTE (kreepers_killer @ Dec 13 2016, 12:49 PM)
It would be good, yes, but cb prize's rarity would be totally messed up, and people who already won previous years would be mad that their dragon would be less rare (and trades for 2nd Gen eggs would be harder to do since they would be more common)

well if someone gets mad that their dragons offspring isnt worth as much so that means basically nobody else has the same dragon i would say plainly that they're pretty selfish.


and trades for 2g prizes would actually be easier because there would be more of them around and not just like 3 of them asking for cb golds, 2g hollies or spriter's alts, or neglecteds which most of us dont even have.

im sorry if that was kind of blunt im not trying to be

@adp
i like the store suggestion but it always seemed really complicated and would probably be a nightmare to code in the game im guessing so i kind of see the store and the raffle and my suggestion as having equal chance of being implemented if thats alright
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Posted: Dec 13 2016, 01:10 PM


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QUOTE (CellyBean @ Dec 13 2016, 05:53 PM)
well if someone gets mad that their dragons offspring isnt worth as much so that means basically nobody else has the same dragon i would say plainly that they're pretty selfish.

I don't give a flying toss about "worth".

CBs would be nice. But PLEASE NEVER AGAIN a raffle.

You weren't here in those days, Cellybean - but ill feeling does not begin to describe the results of those raffles.

I'm 100% in favour of this being done through Trader's Canyon, myself. Everyone would be able to save up, and there would be no reason for griping and so on. I have no doubt at all that TJ could code it. And I certainly don't think every single person who joins in the event should get one just like that.
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Posted: Dec 13 2016, 01:28 PM


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well with the raffle people just randomly and luckily got a prize. at least this way everyone gets a prize once a year and there shouldnt be any griping i think
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Posted: Dec 13 2016, 02:11 PM


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"Everyone gets a prize" is just too much. FAR too much. What next - everyone should get a CB gold just because ?
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cb prizes and cb golds are completely different though. cb golds are found incave and you can trade for them. cb prizes on the other hand are/were only avaiable once a year through a raffle that only a few people won based on luck
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Posted: Dec 13 2016, 02:17 PM


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So put them in the store/canyon, with a really high price, But NOT just hand them out like candy.That would be more for - say - stones or canopies. smile.gif
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If they were only given out once per year, and one per player, they would still be rarer than CB Holidays, and you'd have to participate in the holiday event for twelve years to get a male and a female of each variant. That would be rare enough for me. biggrin.gif

However, I really hope TJ has already decided what will (or will not) happen regarding Prizes this year. The whole issue is so complicated I don't think a last-minute decision - or last-minute change of a decision - would be a good idea.
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I like the idea of raffles. Its dynamic doesn't seem too far from how other rares are distributed, and is even fairer. Gold and silver dragons you can actively have a shot at getting, but it depends on speed, internet, etc., and in that way it can be a bit biased. In the raffle everyone has a fair chance at getting a prize - so in that way everyone has the same odds (as long as you completed the event, etc.).

I like the idea of having prizes remain rare - if you give them out they'll just be equivalent to holidays and lose their entire mystique. Yes, I can see how it's frustrating to some who don't have them (myself included), but that's sort of the fun in it! There's always the hope that you'll get one.

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I'd personally like raffles to return, just the way they were before. I know not everybody will agree with my opinion, but alas no one has to since it's just personal preference. I understand it isn't the fairest way - it does cause certain disruption amongst our community. But I like the luck-based, excitement element a raffle has to offer. Nothing in life is perfectly equal or fair in my opinion, so I don't really see why the distribution of CB prizes should be. But putting things into perspective, using luck to reward DC players is rather proper in terms of fairness. Everyone has an equal chance to win. Of course, I'm not entirely opposed to the addition of a store like trader's canyon introducing CB prizes. I'm pretty flexible on this one. The only option I have true disdain for is everyone getting a CB prize just like that. I'm all for keeping CB prizes within the game, just keep them very rare and I won't have a problem with it.
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I honestly dont have too much to say other than please. No. No raffle. As fuzzbucket said, ill feeling is the 'polite' version. Trader's canyon is imo best. A lot of people barely have time to jump on for the holiday dragons themselves because of real life; having cb prizes available only if you complete feels... Well mean. Coming from someone who usually has to scramble to try and complete events BECAUSE of real life, Id be extremely peeved if it was the only way to get a cb.

Traders canyon or bust basically. But please no raffles. It just isnt worth that huge amount of anxiety or that extreme bittersweet congratulations of others while also being teeth gnashingly jealous. Not to mention the freaking trades that would yet again spike due to new bloodlines.
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Posted: Dec 13 2016, 04:00 PM


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I really kind of like the idea of getting a CB prize for completing the winter holiday event. And it's true that it wouldn't just be "giving them away", because people do have to participate to get them, and it would take twelve years to get a complete set of males and females of all types. (One thing I just thought of, the prize dragons should be locked to the account that wins them. No gifting, no trading. Otherwise it would be a huge benefit to multiscrolling, since they could complete the event on each account and then transfer them to the main. Either that or TJ should specially track traded/transferred prizes to look for suspicious activity)

It would require some more thought about what would be an appropriate holiday event for it, since there are fun ones that are kind of just an activity and ones that really require "completing".

I would be a bit sad that people who really are super busy around xmas would have trouble meeting the "completed" requirement because they just can't spend that much time on the computer, though. Maybe a little more than a "log in each day and you get it", but not much more than that.

As to the "it isn't fair to the prize winners", they've had how many years to profit on their dragons being super rare with super valuable progeny? If something like this had happened the year after a raffle, I could understand people legitimately screaming "unfair", but at this point it's essentially saying "we aren't ever allowed to make prizes more common because it would be 'unfair' to prize winners", which isn't exactly fair to the rest of us.


As far as I'm concerned, starting up the raffles as they've been before is not an ideal solution. It would help with the prizes being so underpopulated, but they would still be a super high value commodity. I would hope that they would at least either be more frequent or much, much larger.

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Posted: Dec 13 2016, 04:11 PM


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Please, no more raffles. I'd rather either go the "hand out 1 CB prize of choice / 1 random CB prize to everyone who completes the event" idea, as well as the idea to make CB prizes available in the store.

But please, no more raffles.
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Posted: Dec 13 2016, 04:18 PM


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I'd love to see more CB Prizes in general. But this is not the way to do it. Trader's Canyon is a much better option, in my honest opinion.
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Posted: Dec 13 2016, 04:20 PM


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Please no more raffles. Just no. Let it die please.

I wouldn't be opposed to "get 1 CB Prize for completely holiday game", but *only* because I know that people here in the forums help each other out on the games. Multiple years I wouldn't have been able to understand the games or do thing correctly *looking at Jolly Follies* if it weren't for help on the forums. In that way, people that don't have forum accounts might get a little screwed here.
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