The Release History Of Dragon Cave Spiral

[Sethiss]

21 hours ago, Fuzzbucket said:

Misfit egg laid and sent to Sethiss.

 

https://dragcave.net/lineage/vFj98

Egg received, thank you! And I've renamed Sursuration, so the lineage is looking smooth.

I also just spent about 3 minutes trying to figure out if I should be influencing this next step in the pygmy line male or female. Wow, work today has fried my brain..

 

[pinkgothic]

9 hours ago, Sethiss said:

Egg received, thank you! And I've renamed Sursuration, so the lineage is looking smooth.

I also just spent about 3 minutes trying to figure out if I should be influencing this next step in the pygmy line male or female. Wow, work today has fried my brain..

Thanks for the rename! I updated the second post to match the new name. ❤️

Also, out of pure academic interest, with no ulterior motives in mind... as a biochemist, would you say there's a way to unfry something?

 

19 hours ago, Ytak said:

Been kind of following this thread and I'm kind of interested in joining in.  And I will definitely be egging (heh) it on. 

Honestly, I'm mostly cheering others on from the sidelines, myself, since I'm uniquely bad at getting release day eggs for most critters.  So you're in good company. Welcome to the project!

 

19 hours ago, Ytak said:

I don't know if you want to integrate this tidbit of information into the spiral but I know the dates that frills were discontinued and then re-released.

 I'm reasonably certain I bred this guy the day before they were discontinued.  Egg laid: April 28, 2010.  Discontinued April 29, 2010.  I remember because I was disappointed I couldn't breed another one and I was happy I managed to get one egg.

 And I bred this gal on the day they were re-released: May 21, 2016 (hence the name of the dragon!).

The re-release is definitely getting a mention in the spiral, since the sprite was changed that day!  That's a very long way's off, though, since we're still before The Fog with the Main/Regular Spiral, so I hadn't even shoved that into my scattered spreadsheet notes yet. I've gone ahead and changed that, though, so it definitely won't be forgotten now.

 

I don't think the discontinuation date conceptually works for a Release Spiral, but I encourage anyone that has strong feelings about it to pelt me with enough tomatoes to change my mind. ❤️

[Ruby Eyes]

You could always incorporate the discontinuation date indirectly by putting "Frills returned after X years Y months and Z days" (or just ZZZ days) into names

[pinkgothic]

11 minutes ago, Ruby Eyes said:

You could always incorporate the discontinuation date indirectly by putting "Frills returned after X years Y months and Z days" (or just ZZZ days) into names

^ yep. Yep. This woman has things figured out. ❤️

 

Seriously, I dig the idea. I made myself some notes so hopefully it won't be forgotten when we roll around to the Frill re-release.  Thanks!

[pinkgothic]

Finally managed to escape my perpetual seeming egg-lock of the past days, but evidently didn't need to have bothered.  Two-headed Lindwyrms were once x a Halloween sprite submission did not produce an egg at all, not even a duotone. But they seem to like each other (I didn't get a "no interest"), so I'll just try again next week.

[Sethiss]

On 3/7/2019 at 6:00 AM, pinkgothic said:

Thanks for the rename! I updated the second post to match the new name. ❤️

Also, out of pure academic interest, with no ulterior motives in mind... as a biochemist, would you say there's a way to unfry something?

Not... realllllly. You pretty much have to dissolve the fried thing and rebuild the original out of the goop.

 

https://dragcave.net/lineage/mC1zL

We have an egg! Who's Nilia is next in line? I'm also taking suggestions for the parent's names (yes, Cora will get renamed, I've got her 'replacement'/name recipient growing on my scroll now).

 

[Sethiss]

On 1/7/2019 at 6:58 AM, pinkgothic said:

 

Current Species [#8]

 

We're looking for someone who has a male Nilia Pygmy caught on the 21st of May, 2011 and would be willing to rename the dragon for the project.

 

If you've got a candidate, please give us a shout in this thread, PM me, or contact Sethiss directly - she's currently raising (vFj98) to breed it to (1ZjX) for the person next in line.

 

Next Species

 

We're looking for someone who has a female Seawyrm Pygmy caught on the 21st of May, 2011 and would be willing to rename the dragon for the project.

 

pinkgothic has asked me to repost this, with a general call for a suitable male Nilia pygmy to continue the line. Ping me if you can best Ruby Eyes!  (I guess Ruby Eyes has to fight themself?)

[Dirtytabs]

Hey everyone. Pinkgothic spoiled my plans to quietly build the "standard" spiral. I have a wet egg-o for the next person: https://dragcave.net/lineage/19Pcu @TCA, is that you?

 

SO FAR, the names are

The Release History / Of Dragon Cave

The Black Egg Sprite's Glow / Was Added in January 2009

Female Greens Who Look Old / Are Considered Most Attractive

Internally Water Dragons Are / Called Light Blue Dragons

[TCA]

I believe that is correct.

[Ruby Eyes]

53 minutes ago, Dirtytabs said:

Internally Water Dragons Are / Called Light Blue Dragons

I think this would now be "Were" since this was changed, I believe. Does anyone still use legacy breed sort to check?

[Whirlaway]

3 minutes ago, Ruby Eyes said:

I think this would now be "Were" since this was changed, I believe. Does anyone still use legacy breed sort to check?

 

I still use Legacy Breed Sort. How come?

[Ruby Eyes]

Great, can you check if Waters sort under L (somewhere before Luminas) or under W with the other Watery breeds?

Edited March 15, 2019 by Ruby Eyes

[Whirlaway]

10 minutes ago, Ruby Eyes said:

Great, can you check if Waters sort under L (somewhere before Luminas) or under W with the other Watery breeds?

 

With Legacy Breed Sort, Waters sort between Leodon and (Lugia) Guardian of Nature. 

[Ruby Eyes]

Okay, then it's definitely still "Light Blue" internally, thanks for testing for me

[olympe]

On 1/6/2019 at 11:57 PM, pinkgothic said:

Were Vampires dimorphic from the get-go? (We currently think so, but we're not sure. This isn't really important, since we can't (with current mechanics) get Vampires into the lineage, and we're probably not going to add trivia about them, but it sure is bugging me.)

I don't know for sure, since I only joined a little less than a year after their introduction, but even before they got the Bite BSA, there were dimorphic sprites around.

 

Now, if you'd like some more fallbacks - I could offer one for male Nightglory Drakes: https://dragcave.net/view/66h7 caught May 28 2010.

 

One female Nilia Pygmy from May 21: https://dragcave.net/view/WIF7

Since Kyanites haven't been offered yet, I have a pair from 2-3 days after the initial release: https://dragcave.net/view/oF1MK and https://dragcave.net/view/nNpbu. Both can be renamed at will.  

Pipio Pygmies, one pair from the date of their release: https://dragcave.net/view/Y9o2y and https://dragcave.net/view/oPUq9

 

Note: You seem to have missed Dark Myst Pygmies, which were also released on May 21, 2011. I could offer a male from May 25: https://dragcave.net/view/nNpbu

Also, shouldn't Pumpkins be added to that group? (Release was most definitely Oct 31, 2009.)

Maybe you also want to add a male Crimson Flare from their release date, which is May 21, 2011?

 

[Ruby Eyes]

10 minutes ago, olympe said:

Note: You seem to have missed Dark Myst Pygmies

They weren't missed, they are already part of the existing spiral.

 

Pumpkins weren't added (yet) since they breed only one week per year, and this project started afterwards We can always breed another branch in October ...

Edited March 15, 2019 by Ruby Eyes

[olympe]

23 minutes ago, Ruby Eyes said:

They weren't missed, they are already part of the existing spiral.

 

Pumpkins weren't added (yet) since they breed only one week per year, and this project started afterwards We can always breed another branch in October ...

Oops, I somehow missed the line at the top. Sorry!

 

Also, if you have any other questions about legacy breed sort, feel free to ping or PM me. I'm still using it, and will keep doing so.

 

Or.. I could simply give you the list of breeds as sorted by legacy breed sort:

• 2-Headed (Split), 2-Headed Lindwyrm (first blue, then green)
• Aeon, Aether, Albino, Almerald, Anagallis, Antarean, Aqualis, Aria, Ash, Azure Glacewing
• Baikala, Balloon, Bauta, Black, Black alt, Black Tea, Blacktip, Black Truffle, Bleeding Moon, (Gilded) Bloodscale, Blue-Banded, Sinii Krai (Blue-Edge), (Two-Finned) Bluna, Blusang, Bolt, Boreal, Bright-Breasted, Brimstone, Brute
• Candelabra, Canopy, Carina, Carmine, Cassare, Celestial, Cheese, Chicken, Christmas 07 (Holly), Christmas 08 (Yule), Christmas 09 (Snow Angel), Christmas 10 (Ribbon Dancer), Christmas 11 (Winter Magi), Christmas 12 (Wrapping Wing), Christmas 13 (Solstice, rosy), Christmas 13 (Solstice, blue), Christmas 14 (Mistletoe), Christmas 15 (Aegis, peaceful), Christmas 15 (Aegis, enraged), Christmas 16 (Snow), Christmas 17 (Garland), Christmas 18 (Starsinger), Coastal Waverunner, (Plated) Colossus, Copper (Liver of Sulfur, Rainbow, Verdigris)
• Dark Green (Vine), Dark Green alt, Daydream, Deep Sea, Diamondwing, Zyumorph (Coast, Desert, Forest, Jungle, Alpine, Volcano - do they maybe sort as "Dino"???), Dorsal (purple, then red), Duotone
• Electric, Ember
• Falconiform, Fell, Fever, Firegem (blue, red, green), Flamingo, (Imperial) Fleshcrowne, Floret (purple, then tan), Freckled, Frill, Frost
• Gemshard (green, red, blue), Geode, Glaucus Drake, Glory (Day, then Night), Gold, Goldfish (=Shallow Water), Gray, Greater Spotted, Green (Pebble), (Spotted) Greenwing, Guardian, GWyvern (Golden Wyvern),
• Halloween 09 (Pumpkin), Halloween 10 (Marrow), Halloween 11 (Shadow Walker), Halloween 12 (Cavern Lurker), Halloween 13 (Grave), Halloween 14 (Desipis), Halloween 15 (Caligene), Halloween 16 (Witchlight), Halloween 17 (Omen), Halloween 18 (Arcana), Harvest, Hellfire, Hellhorse, Honey Drake, Hooktalon, Horse, Howler Drake
• Ice
• Khusa, Kingcrowne, 
• Lacula, Leetle Tree, Leodon, Light Blue (Water), "Lugia" (GoN), "Lugiaavatar" (Avatar of Destruction/Change/Creation), Lumina, Lumina Dark, Lunar Herald (gold, silver, bronze, indigo), 
• Magi, Magma, Sinomorph (Marvelous? I thought they sorted as "Mighty Morphin' Power Ranger", but the Melismor proved me wrong.), Melismor, Mint, Monarch, Moonstone, Morphodrake
• Nebula, Nebula alt, Neotropical, Nexus, Nocturne
• Ochredrake, Olive
• Paper, Pillow, Pink, Prize (Wester, gold/silver/bronze), Prize2 (Eastern, gold/silver/bronze), Purple, (Common) Pygmy, Pygmy Crimson Flare, Pygmy Dark Myst, Pygmy Dusk, Pygmy Kyanite, Pygmy Magelight, Pygmy Mimic, Pygmy Misfit, Pygmy Nilia, Pygmy Pipio, Pygmy Red-Tailed, Pygmy Seawyrm, Pyralspite (Almandine, Pyrope, Spessartine), Pyrovar
• Razorcrest, Red, Ridgewing (purple, tan), Royal Blue, Royal Crimson
• Sapphire, Scimitar-Wing, Script, Seasonal (Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter), Seragamma, Risensong, Setsong, Sick (ND), Silver, Siyat (green, blue, purple), Skywing, Soulpeace, Speckle-Throated, Spinel (red, green), Spirit Ward, Spitfire, Stone, Stormrider, Stripe (White, Blue, Red, Green, Black), Striped River, Suncrowned (Yellow-Crowned), Sunrise, Sunset, Sunsong, Sunstone, Swallowtail
• (gold-horned) Tangar, Tatterdrake, (black capped) Teimarr, Terrae, Tetra, THawk (Tarantula Hawk Drake), Thunder, (red-finned) Tidal, Trihorn, Tsunami, Turpentine, Twister (=Nhiostrife)
• Undine, Undine alt
• Val 09, Val 10 (Sweetling), Val 11 (Rosebud), Val 12 (Heartseeker), Val 13 (Arsani), Val 14 (Radiant Angel), Val 15 (Heartstealing), Val 16 (Mutamore), Val 17 (Soulstone), Val 18 (flower-Crowned), Val 19 (Sakuhana), Vampire
• Waterhorse, Waterwalker, Whiptail, White
• Xenowyrm (Thalassa, Mageia, Chronos, Gaia, Astrapi, Pyro)
• Yoshi (=Dino) blue/green/purple/red/yellow

Edited March 15, 2019 by olympe

[pinkgothic]

Oi, eesh, I'm gone a day to celebrate an anniversary and fake religious holiday and suddenly the thread explodes. ❤️ Delighted to see this much activity!

 

8 hours ago, Dirtytabs said:

SO FAR, the names are

The Release History / Of Dragon Cave

The Black Egg Sprite's Glow / Was Added in January 2009

Female Greens Who Look Old / Are Considered Most Attractive

Internally Water Dragons Are / Called Light Blue Dragons

Just for the record, I really love the last fact you worked into there. It's wonderful!

 

6 hours ago, Whirlaway said:

With Legacy Breed Sort, Waters sort between Leodon and (Lugia) Guardian of Nature. 

Thanks for checking, Whirlaway! Really appreciate the assistance. ❤️

 

6 hours ago, olympe said:

I don't know for sure, since I only joined a little less than a year after their introduction, but even before they got the Bite BSA, there were dimorphic sprites around.

Thanks for the heads-up! I'll leave the question up in case someone comes along that does know for sure, but this nonetheless helps my uncertainty about them.

 

6 hours ago, olympe said:

Now, if you'd like some more fallbacks - I could offer one for male Nightglory Drakes: https://dragcave.net/view/66h7 caught May 28 2010.

 

One female Nilia Pygmy from May 21: https://dragcave.net/view/WIF7

Since Kyanites haven't been offered yet, I have a pair from 2-3 days after the initial release: https://dragcave.net/view/oF1MK and https://dragcave.net/view/nNpbu. Both can be renamed at will.  

Pipio Pygmies, one pair from the date of their release: https://dragcave.net/view/Y9o2y and https://dragcave.net/view/oPUq9

Thank you so much! I added those to the second post.

 

6 hours ago, olympe said:

Note: You seem to have missed Dark Myst Pygmies, which were also released on May 21, 2011. I could offer a male from May 25: https://dragcave.net/view/nNpbu

Ruby Eyes already clued you into where they 'disappeared' to, but I wanted to apologise for not making it more transparent that the dragon cache lists are meant to just consist of dragons in the respective spiral's future. Do you think I better make that explicit?

 

6 hours ago, olympe said:

 Also, shouldn't Pumpkins be added to that group? (Release was most definitely Oct 31, 2009.)

Yes / no - it's been brought up before: https://forums.dragcave.net/topic/184423-the-release-history-of-dragon-cave-spiral/?do=findComment&comment=9803694 - I have the uselessly vague recollection that I decided against including them, but without that I remember the reason why. So we have this side arm of the spiral to mock me: https://dragcave.net/lineage/2xLun

 

 

6 hours ago, olympe said:

 Maybe you also want to add a male Crimson Flare from their release date, which is May 21, 2011?

I try to include each species only once unless they have dimorphism. I realise this is to some degree playing with fire (any species currently not dimorphic might spontaneously become dimorphic, in a way that makes precisely the gender we merged into the line be replaced with a new sprite while the other gender stays the same ), but basically the line is supposed to give a history of sprite releases to best approximation.

 

That said, I'm sure @Sethiss would be happy to try breeding you a sibling of Saw Five Pygmies Released so you can sneak in a male Crimson Flare and start a branch with that. There's nothing dictating that there's only one true lineage here. ❤️ I'd be delighted to spread the thing around a bit, smoosh in some different philosophies how the end result is supposed to look, that kind of thing.

 

5 hours ago, olympe said:

Also, if you have any other questions about legacy breed sort, feel free to ping or PM me. I'm still using it, and will keep doing so.

 

Or.. I could simply give you the list of breeds as sorted by legacy breed sort:

Thank you so much! I've put a link to that into the first post so no one needs to rely on my shoddy memory.

 

Time for a status update all in one convenient place!

 

Regular Lineage

 

With the White covered by TCA, we are now looking for a pre-fog female Dark Green / Vine! We currently have no candidates for this, so we're interested in any ol' vine you might have. The older, the better! 3, 2, 1, FIGHT!

 

 

Two-Headed Lineage

1) Aggravatingly, Two-headed Lindwyrms were once x a Halloween sprite submission have not given me an egg the second week of trying. This time it was a "no interest". 😕 @Fuzzbucket - would you be willing to breed me a sibling of "a Halloween sprite submission" so I can alternate between mates for "Two-headed Lindwyrms were once" to prevent breeding ennui? ❤️

 

2) Relatedly, does anyone else have...

 

...a male CB Two-headed Lindwyrm (Alpine/grey/slate/blue variant) from 2013-08-04? (I think I had some in the cache and stupidly already purged those. Shouldn't do that!) I'm asking since it might be worth parallelising this round, I'd hate for my pairing(s?) to be the single point of failure, given the abysmal breeding record so far.

 

 

Pygmy Lineage

 

Sethiss already kindly reposted this for me while I was away from my interwebs (thank you, Sethiss!), but if I'm doing an overview, it bears repeating: We're looking for someone who has a male Nilia Pygmy caught on the 21st of May, 2011 and would be willing to rename the dragon for the project.

 

If you've got a candidate, please give us a shout in this thread, PM me, or contact Sethiss directly - she's currently holding onto (mC1zL) for whoever wants to be the person next in line. Our best candidate is currently Ruby Eyes, with a male Nilia from the 29th of May, 2011. If you can beat that time, please shout!

Edited March 16, 2019 by pinkgothic
Helps if I put in complete information derrrrr

[olympe]

10 minutes ago, pinkgothic said:

...a CB Two-headed Lindwyrm (Alpine/grey/slate/blue variant) from 2013-08-04? (I think I had some in the cache and stupidly already purged those. Shouldn't do that!) I'm asking since it might be worth parallelising this round, I'd hate for my pairing(s?) to be the single point of failure, given the abysmal breeding record so far.

Well, I have a female from four days after that... https://dragcave.net/view/DDbCs

Regarding the Nilia - I only have a female from that date...  

[Dirtytabs]

Wait. Are we skipping the female dark green? Or does TCA have that covered?

[pinkgothic]

26 minutes ago, Dirtytabs said:

Wait. Are we skipping the female dark green? Or does TCA have that covered?

Nope, good catch! Feexing poast nao. (We have no candidates for that at all and so I managed to gloss over that it's a hole that needs filling. Go figure! This is what I get for rushing through a post because it's long.)

 

Edit: Feex'd. You don't want to know how often I managed to confuse myself while I was fixing it.  It's been a long (but wonderful) day.

 

Edit II:

34 minutes ago, olympe said:

Well, I have a female from four days after that... https://dragcave.net/view/DDbCs

Regarding the Nilia - I only have a female from that date...  

Dracaena's got a release-date female, alas, and thus has you beat, but thank you for the mention! At the very least it made me notice that while I put in the correct sprite I forgot to specify that I was looking for a male.

Edited March 16, 2019 by pinkgothic

[TCA]

My oldest female Dark Green is unfortunately from 2010 ( https://dragcave.net/lineage/CsOF ) and you can probably do better.

[pinkgothic]

3 minutes ago, TCA said:

My oldest female Dark Green is unfortunately from 2010 ( https://dragcave.net/lineage/CsOF ) and you can probably do better.

Thanks for pitching in! ❤️

 

(For what it's worth, my oldest CB vines are from 2012, so I personally definitely can't do better.  I assume this surprises no one, I am uniquely terrible at this! But let's see what everyone else has to say.)

[purplehaze]

I've been lurking here, not following too closely, but finding it interesting.

I have this female Dark Green but she is from 2008, about a month after I joined. That is a looooong way from their release date, but better than TCA's 2010.  So, keep her in mind if no one comes up with an older one.

[pinkgothic]

10 hours ago, purplehaze said:

I've been lurking here, not following too closely, but finding it interesting.

I have this female Dark Green but she is from 2008, about a month after I joined. That is a looooong way from their release date, but better than TCA's 2010.  So, keep her in mind if no one comes up with an older one.

That's amazing, actually! Thank you for de-lurking to post! ❤️ I've added her to the second post. Let's see if anyone can beat that.