Trader's Canyon

[DuskOfTheStars]

Does anyone think it would be possible to include 2G hybrids and Alts in the store? Maybe with parent pairs generated specifically for the store and have, say, 3-4 letter codes to avoid taking codes from new dragons?

Edited July 22, 2016 by Dusky_Flareon

[silver_tiger]

Does anyone think it would be possible to include 2G hybrids and Alts in the store? Maybe with parent pairs generated specifically for the store and have, say, 3-4 letter codes to avoid taking codes from new dragons?

I would love this, it's really hard to get hybrids sometimes... alts too, but I can understand if they're not offered in the shop since that's not how they work.

[Thuban]

Does anyone think it would be possible to include 2G hybrids and Alts in the store? Maybe with parent pairs generated specifically for the store and have, say, 3-4 letter codes to avoid taking codes from new dragons?

Ehh.. ok lets see if i can tackle this:

 

Here goes:

• Who breeds them?
• Is the pairing doing it limited to one a week total?
• If so, would they be priced higher?
• Who names them? Without names, the parents are just codes, and quite a few people out there do not like parents with no names.
• We arent in any danger of running out of codes, so I don't think we need to worry about that.

 

Lore can be written to account for them being cb, easily. The store was designed to be cb specific, so adding bred things is a bit outside of the scope of what is trying to be accomplished. Bred ones can be obtained, easily, by anyone.

Edited July 22, 2016 by Thuban

[DuskOfTheStars]

Hmm.. well, I was thinking auto-generated Wilds, with codes that LOOK like names, maybe with messed caps (eg. SaiOn, ether, lUCas, etc.). They could only breed one egg per week, or they could be specially coded to breed more. Once, again, I think they would automatically breed. There is code out there that could do something similar. I was thinking about 5 psirs per hybrid. Price... maybe 1.5 months of shards for hybrids? Alts would cost say 6 months of shards?

Edited July 22, 2016 by Dusky_Flareon

[Fiona]

I don't see much point to having bred alts and hybrids in the store. It's not that hard to get the parent breeds and make your own. It seems like more fiddling to get it to make sense than it's worth.

 

If you're having that much trouble, Dusky, send me a PM. Alt Blacks, Vines and Undines will take more effort but I'm fairly confident I could breed the rest in one or two sessions. And honestly, alts won't be trouble so much as needing to try lots and lots of times. Because they're rare...

[DuskOfTheStars]

Well, I was trying to offer a solution to get Alts and hybrids in the store if we could not get CB ones. Sorry!

[Fuzzbucket]

Hmm.. well, I was thinking auto-generated Wilds, with codes that LOOK like names, maybe with messed caps (eg. SaiOn, ether, lUCas, etc.). They could only breed one egg per week, or they could be specially coded to breed more. Once, again, I think they would automatically breed. There is code out there that could do something similar. I was thinking about 5 psirs per hybrid. Price... maybe 1.5 months of shards for hybrids? Alts would cost say 6 months of shards?

Why not just ask anyone who breeds for free ? MUCH less complicated.

[Cinnamin Draconna]

I'd be happy to breed hybrids all day long for folk.. that's one of my primary breeding things.

 

ALTs are a little more difficult, but I'd be happy to breed those too, if asked (and the requester has a little patience).

 

So while I'd love to see cb ALTs/hybrids in the store, I can live without them. My primary concern is getting cb Prize dragons in the store. And personally, I think the suggested prices are too high. We need to get LOTS, and LOTS, and LOTS of new cb Prizes in the breeding pool so we can repair the trade market, because that's the only way to fix it.

 

 

[ewi]

So while I'd love to see cb ALTs/hybrids in the store, I can live without them. My primary concern is getting cb Prize dragons in the store. And personally, I think the suggested prices are too high. We need to get LOTS, and LOTS, and LOTS of new cb Prizes in the breeding pool so we can repair the trade market, because that's the only way to fix it.

Yep, I agree. We (as a community, all players) would have to wait 4 to 6 months for the trade market to start switching. It is a lot of time. I don't know if it was suggested before (this thread is really long, excuse me for this ) but maybe it would be efficient to introduce the Store with "your first transaction is totally free, just choose a dragon"? You know for this first boost, to try to lure in new players and shake the trade market a little.

[DuskOfTheStars]

Now that sounds like a good idea. I support the first transaction free thing. Everyone wanting 2G Prizes is TIRING. Yes, I admit I do, but at least I don't make them my only acceptable offer.

 

 

And before you all make assumptions, I was trying to figure how to get Alts and Hybrids into the store. I would ask if I really wanted one, but what about players with no forum access or the really new players who are looking around in the store? Not to mention someone might find it odd that x is not in the store, but y (its parent) is.

Edited July 22, 2016 by Dusky_Flareon

[Thuban]

The price is less than half of what it was originally for Prizes.. yes, we have to wait awhile, but no, I will not agree to just giving everyone something "to get things started".

 

There is still the whole mini games thing, there were suggestions for other ways to get shards (raising blockers and whatnot), so yes, while there is a wait, there were things discussed that would shorten that time farther. Once people start getting them though, if you figure there are even just 10k active players, that are all gunning for those prizes, then there could feasibly be 2k new ones happening at once (for those active daily players). I am honestly not concerned about it taking awhile. In my mind, at least its not a year per prize anymore.

 

The main reason I'm NOT pushing for games right now is that they arent needed to make the suggestion work. Games can happen any time, theres just no point to putting a bunch together, until we find out if the store will be implemented in the first place. Once we know that, games can be put together fairly quickly, depending on the game itself.

Edited July 22, 2016 by Thuban

[Fuzzbucket]

And before you all make assumptions, I was trying to figure how to get Alts and Hybrids into the store. I would ask if I really wanted one, but what about players with no forum access or the really new players who are looking around in the store? Not to mention someone might find it odd that x is not in the store, but y (its parent) is.

Well, in that case, maybe just set up a "used" department where people could breed some and drop them off ?

 

I can't honestly see how you would "lure in new players" by making the firs transaction free (I wouldn't actually support that anyway) - they'd have to be playing to know there was a store and that they wanted something.

[DuskOfTheStars]

Hmm.. well. The used deprtment does sound like a good idea. Maybe players could trade dragons in for some amont of shards, and then people get the dragons marked down by 5-10% depending on the rarity? Maybe marked down more the higher generation a dragon is, with no markdown for a CB?

[Fuzzbucket]

Hmm.. well. The used deprtment does sound like a good idea. Maybe players could trade dragons in for some amount of shards, and then people get the dragons marked down by 5-10% depending on the rarity? Maybe marked down more the higher generation a dragon is, with no markdown for a CB?

I would think it should be ONLY for 2 gen hybrid eggs or alt hatchies. It would NEED not to be flooded out with assorted rejects from the AP. Anything available in cave should be a no-no.

 

Actually - thinking it over - I'd rather see it with no "credit" given - if people who breed for free can choose to put 2 gen hybrids in there - they can; if people don't want to give things away if it doesn't gain them an advantage - no-one makes them. There is so much generosity here, I'm pretty sure it would have a regular supply. I know I'd chuck loads of hybrids in there even if I didn't get points/mana/whatever for them.

Edited July 23, 2016 by fuzzbucket

[DuskOfTheStars]

That control makes it better for an option to put hybrids and alts into the dtore. I'm sure it would be possible to do that. Not completely surecaboutbthe lineaged ones though. We could either allow only 2G (or 3G?) Alts/hybrids to be traded in, or we could allow only Alts/hybrids to be traded in and proportionally devalue ones beyond 3G. However, what you said does make the best sense with the rest of the store, so I think that would be the more supported version.

[Fuzzbucket]

That control makes it better for an option to put hybrids and alts into the dtore. I'm sure it would be possible to do that. Not completely surecaboutbthe lineaged ones though. We could either allow only 2G (or 3G?) Alts/hybrids to be traded in, or we could allow only Alts/hybrids to be traded in and proportionally devalue ones beyond 3G. However, what you said does make the best sense with the rest of the store, so I think that would be the more supported version.

2 gen. ONLY 2 gen. Everything else would be CB, after all.

[DuskOfTheStars]

Then I guess since we agree on 2G only (yes, I do agree with your logic) we work out what people get for trading in and what people buy them gor? I was thinking Alts costing 4 months of shards and hybrids costing 2-3 weeks baseline.

Edited July 23, 2016 by Dusky_Flareon

[Tango]

The 'first dragon free' would be to make the store more accessible early on. Remember when the zombies got released on the birthday? It only affected those with zombies, we can't make new ones until Halloween so it wasn't that exciting. Everyone getting one free dragon would let people use the store immediately, it would give it some massive hype and could bring in new players or players who have left. You could limit which dragon you get free. I also think it would be a nice 'apology' for the lack of raffle, and the lack of news on why we didn't get a raffle.

[DuskOfTheStars]

Maybe limiting it to a pick of common dragons? Or low uncommon? Otherwise it would be too ... what is the eord?.. too much for free.

[Vhale]

The 'first dragon free' would be to make the store more accessible early on. Remember when the zombies got released on the birthday? It only affected those with zombies, we can't make new ones until Halloween so it wasn't that exciting. Everyone getting one free dragon would let people use the store immediately, it would give it some massive hype and could bring in new players or players who have left. You could limit which dragon you get free. I also think it would be a nice 'apology' for the lack of raffle, and the lack of news on why we didn't get a raffle.

/agree

I think it would be a nice boost to get it out of the way early. The resulting offspring would hit the trading market in a week and we'd see a great boost to lineage making.

 

THe problem is it would cause a multiscroll bonanza as people would create more scrolls to get at the trade market. Because, sad to say, there's always that one or two jerks that have no moral compass and ruin it for everyone.

 

A better option might be free store points for each anniversary a player has been around. Retroactive. That would give people a nice birthday/anniversary gift and help stimulate the store/market without causing a scroll boom.

[DuskOfTheStars]

What about those of us who joined just after the 10th anniversary? I joined up literally 3 days afterward. If new players can't get at the market, then we're just back in the same situation. It's disheartening to try to trade as a newbie and realize all you can get is stuff you snag off Departures, and you have be fast. I don't support any extra advantages that aren't universal for that reason.

Edited July 23, 2016 by Dusky_Flareon

[Tango]

I don't think it should limit new players, especially if we'd like to draw some new ones in. You might say new players won't be interested in a store since they don't know how big the change is, but they'd be pretty happy to get a free adult dragon. We don't need to give out golds or prizes, just something special. A rare, a holiday, something like that.

[Thuban]

Again, this suggestion isnt meant to deal with anything other than cbs. There is already a officialish trading thing for people to dump freebies into (i cant remember the link, but I recall there having been one made by TJ.. plus plenty of threads) That can work along side this, but this specific suggestion is strictly about cbs. My concern is getting the framework that has already been worked out to a point where we could implement it reasonably. Other fluff can always be worked in later, my concern is making sure the base framework is there.

 

 

There is no trading dragons in for shards, you earn points by raising them.

 

There is no trading other users for shards.

 

There is no trading of any items or dragons obtained from the store to other users.

 

Mini games are something that will be worked in eventually as a way to earn more shards.After base framework has all of the kinks worked out.

 

At this time, there are no plans for user to user options for this store.

 

The hybrids arent part of this because they arent allowed to be. I feel like even if we marked them as the equivalent of 4 prizes worth of points, they will not be allowed, and therefore, I've stopped trying to include them.

 

Bred only Alts (as in cb black and vine alts) are still a bit fuzzy on whether they are allowed to play. I believe colored stripes were also a bit fuzzy, but I'd like them ALL to be allowed to play. For the most part, ONLY things that can be caught in cave, however rarely are definitely allowed to play.

 

I am 100% againt freebies being given to get people started. New players will earn points despite not necessarily having immediate access to the store (we had decided on bronze badge). I will not budge on that front... sorry.

 

Im sorry if i seem short tempered on this front, but I thought it had been made clear by now that there are limits to what this suggestion can do. I'll get the first post updated, eventually to reflect some of the newer changes, but will need time due to how the information is nested in the first post.

Edited July 23, 2016 by Thuban

[Fiona]

The way the suggestion is geared right now even the newest player should be able to buy something from the canyon after a week's time. Yes, it will be a common. But maybe it would be a common they really like. Or maybe a common that doesn't show up as "commonly" as they would like. So, yay for almost instant rewards.

 

And if they don't want a common or something really quick from the canyon they can save all their points toward something more spectacular.

 

I don't think "starter points" or anything like that is a good idea.

 

 

(Note to self - don't try to post while also talking to the daughters who are visiting or carrying on conversations with four or five other people... Clarity suffers)

 

There's another suggestion out there somewhere for an in-cave official trading system. That would be a definite way to handle trades and distributing hybrids and alts as there certainly would be people willing to offer them. I haven't looked up the link to the thread but it shouldn't be that hard to find.

 

Like Thuban I was kind of hoping for CB hybrids and alts to be available through the store at a high price just because cool. But I do understand the thinking that the current "user bred only" situation was deliberate and since it wasn't clearly a mistake there's not a real good reason to scrap it, which in a sense offering them in the store would be doing. Slightly sad but accepting.

 

 

I'm opposed to "turning in" anything for points. Those dragons were generated for a reason, whether bred or CB. Turning in commons to earn points toward rares just skews the ratios. Earlier I suggested earning bonus points for raising (i.e. catching or breeding and hatching) certain breeds of dragons that are under-populated. I still think that's a nice idea for earning extra points but I don't think we should include that in discussions now. That should wait with the mini games for once the basic operation is up and running smoothly.

 

As far as I can see the basic plan here is pretty complete. The number of points needed for each tier of eggs is pretty well decided. How to earn the points is decided. The fact that eggs will not be tradeable is decided.

 

I keep seeing somethings elsewhere regarding real money attached to this idea but that is NOT part of this suggestion and really never was. "Grinding" points by playing mini games is not part of this suggestion.

 

What's left to decide?

Edited July 23, 2016 by Fiona BlueFire

[Tango]

As far as I can see, nothing. Most of the actual prices and other exact things will be decided by TJ. The only thing we can actually discuss are 'maybes' such as cb hyrbids or a free dragon, but if they're shot down then not much else.