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[Fuzzbucket]

The descriptions I have had rejected, the mod named herself in the "mod rejection box" (hello Socky) so I know who it was and why. Don't they all do that ?

[perzephone]

In your case, I'm not sure what else we can explain. Illegal drug references are being considered inappropriate for the site. :3

Just curiosity... if certain drug references are considered inappropriate, and no one wants anyone to push the envelope, why aren't drug references filtered in the dragon naming process?

 

Profanity and various anatomical references don't work. I can't even name a horse dragon 'Hell(insert accepted term for female dog)' - which is the name of a horse from Lonesome Dove.

[Fuzzbucket]

I know quite a few people have hell in the names of their hellfires, so that's odd...

[Nectaris]

Personally I don't think it would be a good idea to filter based on drugs. Think of how many illegal drugs have everyday names, like grass, weed, or ice. Can you honestly filter those words because someone MIGHT be referencing an illegal drug with them? Personally I would rather such things be dealt with on a case by case basis, rather than just a filter.

[Fuzzbucket]

On another note, has TJ done what he said he would do about 'doing something about the Cave blockers'? Not necessarily nagging, just being curious.

Like what I said last week - it was my impression that things had picked up rather.

[Thuban]

The descriptions I have had rejected, the mod named herself in the "mod rejection box" (hello Socky) so I know who it was and why. Don't they all do that ?

I dont. Its rare that i go on description sprees. I only do them when I am bored or if people specifically ask me to. The ones i tend to reject are the ones with negative ratings. I'm one of the few that will put decent descriptions through with typos still in them. I figure if the person notices the typos they can always resubmit. Im not a fan of fixing typos.

 

I sometimes scan comments left to the individual descriptions but not always. I generally dont read the names of dragons until AFTER i read the description, unless something about the name stands out and draws my attention.

 

I dont believe I have ever posted a comment to any of the ones I have modded. I could start though, since I've been slacking on the whole "do this" aspect.

 

I'm happy to look at descriptions when asked, but generally i prefer to leave it to the mods who are better at it, and dont get hung up on typos. I'm better with other things. Descriptions are not a strength of mine.

 

One thing I will admit to though: when i see descriptions i have a problem with, i get another mod to deal with them. I do not like the styles of several users, and I wont touch any descriptions with drug or "adult themed" references. I know of one user with several descriptions i would have never put through, I won't touch them. Because i do tend to skip over names though, often i dont notice the reference until i've made a decision based on the description alone. I figure its more fair to the user to get a second opinion on the ones I dont like.

[perzephone]

Personally I don't think it would be a good idea to filter based on drugs. Think of how many illegal drugs have everyday names, like grass, weed, or ice. Can you honestly filter those words because someone MIGHT be referencing an illegal drug with them? Personally I would rather such things be dealt with on a case by case basis, rather than just a filter.

There aren't many legitimate reasons to name a dragon PCP, LSD, marijuana, etc., other than to name them for the drugs, and there aren't many words that include those letter combinations in perfect sequence.

 

I'm not a 'rules lawyer' or anything, but it's kind of pointless to tell someone their dragon names are inappropriate and reject descriptions based on the dragons' names when the names are allowed by the naming feature, and no one's making them change the names of their dragons.

 

I know quite a few people have hell in the names of their hellfires, so that's odd...

 

It's not the 'Hell' part that's the problem - it's the part of the name referencing a female dog, lol.

 

Just to satisfy curiosity: Horse from Lonesome Dove

[Nectaris]

There aren't many legitimate reasons to name a dragon PCP, LSD, marijuana, etc., other than to name them for the drugs, and there aren't many words that include those letter combinations in perfect sequence.

 

I'm not a 'rules lawyer' or anything, but it's kind of pointless to tell someone their dragon names are inappropriate and reject descriptions based on the dragons' names when the names are allowed by the naming feature, and no one's making them change the names of their dragons.

 

But see the thing I am getting from reading the mod's comments is that it is not the names in and of themselves that is the problem, it is the names IN COMBINATION with the description that makes it inappropriate. Besides, none of these words are censored on the forums, and I have always gotten the impression that if it is ok on the forum, it isn't censorable on the site.

[~!~]

I don't see why drug references should be against the rules. Nine's descriptions aren't condoning drug abuse or anything. I figure we should be allowed to at least mention things that aren't positive. Even if Nine were trying to be literal, it wouldn't be a problem to just say "PCP, it's a thing that is associated with these qualities."

[Nine]

Uhh yeah, I sure don't want this discussion turning into a "we need to censor such and such now" when that wasn't the original issue. That's steering off kilter and aiming a bus towards my house... metaphorically =P

 

This was my desc. for PCP, if it helps clear some confusion.

Completely contrary to her appearance, PCP is one of the most unpredictable, volatile, and dangerous dragons one can run into. She possesses an explosive temper that not only ignites as fast as a forest fire, but burns twice as hot and twice as long.

Due to her quite frightening temperament, she has been exiled from her main cave and lives in a nearby forest. She seems to hold no grudge against this decision and almost appears oblivious to her situation.

[Renorei]

I think Nine's names and descriptions are fine. They are mildly amusing to anyone "experienced" enough to get the references, if the references are intentional, which I am not even sure they are. But the names and descriptions in conjunction are also vague enough that some little kid playing DC isn't going to read Nine's dragons' descriptions and think, "Hey, this person is making a subtle suggestion that I should go do drugs. What a great idea!" It's like a PG television show that works on multiple levels. There is no offensive content that would lead child viewers to do something bad, but at the same time there is a subtle humor that only adults could understand.

 

My opinion: lighten up. And I don't mean in reference to this specific incident, I mean in general.

[hazeh]

I think Nine's names and descriptions are fine. They are mildly amusing to anyone "experienced" enough to get the references, if the references are intentional, which I am not even sure they are. But the names and descriptions in conjunction are also vague enough that some little kid playing DC isn't going to read Nine's dragons' descriptions and think, "Hey, this person is making a subtle suggestion that I should go do drugs. What a great idea!" It's like a PG television show that works on multiple levels. There is no offensive content that would lead child viewers to do something bad, but at the same time there is a subtle humor that only adults could understand.

 

My opinion: lighten up. And I don't mean in reference to this specific incident, I mean in general.

Pretty much this. I don't really quite get why drug references would be inappropriate anyways. Would I be unable to name a white dragon Advil or Ibuprofen and talk about how he tends to cure aches and pains better than any other ailment? I mean, that's a drug, and it could be dangerous. And that's a bit more forthcoming than what Nine's unintentional implication reads as.

[Obscure_Trash]

Sure, the names by themselves are fine (maybe it is Pretty Cool Pony and not PCP or maybe it has some other meaning). The descriptions by themselves are fine. But when you put them together, it does make you curious. Yes, it is not the worst thing. By far. But we have discussed and we find references to illegal drugs to be inappropriate for the site. There's nothing stopping Nine from changing the names or switching the descriptions to different dragons and getting them approved.

 

Sorry you guys feel this way, but this is how we feel. :3

[Keriel]

Sure, the names by themselves are fine (maybe it is Pretty Cool Pony and not PCP or maybe it has some other meaning). The descriptions by themselves are fine. But when you put them together, it does make you curious. Yes, it is not the worst thing. By far. But we have discussed and we find references to illegal drugs to be inappropriate for the site. There's nothing stopping Nine from changing the names or switching the descriptions to different dragons and getting them approved.

 

Sorry you guys feel this way, but this is how we feel. :3

i'm on your side.

 

i have lost a friend to illicit drugs. while some may see it as nothing of a real worry but there are children on this site and the combination although unintended is too much.

 

and as for the hell horse, it is well known that that term is used maliciously. if a child were to repeat it in any fashion with an elder around they would get in trouble. it isn't that hard to understand

[Fuzzbucket]

and as for the hell horse, it is well known that that term is used maliciously. if a child were to repeat it in any fashion with an elder around they would get in trouble. it isn't that hard to understand

It is ? What for ??? (I am a granny who swears a lot - and that one is new to me as a term of abuse.)

[Keriel]

It is ? What for ??? (I am a granny who swears a lot - and that one is new to me as a term of abuse.)

often used against women.

hard to talk about it without using it but if you search it you will find out.

 

just to clarify it isn't hell that's the problem, it's the term used for a female dog

[Fuzzbucket]

often used against women.

hard to talk about it without using it but if you search it you will find out.

 

just to clarify it isn't hell that's the problem, it's the term used for a female dog

Oh - just THAT word. OK

[Scrac]

I don't think this idea needs an entire thread to itself. If it's been proposed before I missed it.

The idea is that we should be able to erase the lineage of our dragons. It's something we 'record' on our scrolls anyway. I like the breeding lineages and all that, but it irks me a little that one egg is worth more then another because of where it comes from.

[Obscure_Trash]

That has come up before but was met with massive resistance because it felt like cheating. There were some who were okay with it as long as there was some way to tell that it was a doctored lineage, like when people kill dragons to create shorter lineages and the tombstones are left behind as 'evidence'. :3

[Scrac]

That has come up before but was met with massive resistance because it felt like cheating. There were some who were okay with it as long as there was some way to tell that it was a doctored lineage, like when people kill dragons to create shorter lineages and the tombstones are left behind as 'evidence'. :3

Ah, okay. Although cheating in regards to a game that's played however you want? Game changing I can see, much like the teleport option was.

I see the dead lines as evidence for a need for this =/

[Fuzzbucket]

Ah, okay. Although cheating in regards to a game that's played however you want? Game changing I can see, much like the teleport option was.

I see the dead lines as evidence for a need for this =/

I get your point - but cheating - yes, if you actually lie about a lineage. It IS cheating - even in "play how you want" - to pass something off as CB that isn't, in ANY context, I think ? And even worse for someone who passes on a nice egg without KNOWING it is a "fake"... and may find out later.

 

I like to see the dead bits. I like to KNOW.

Edited November 13, 2011 by fuzzbucket

[Cinnamin Draconna]

Lineages are the reason I still play the game. If I wound up with a 'fake' caveborn and used it in one of my lineages, then found out later it was a 'fake' I would be extremely upset. Suddenly finding a tombstone in one of my lineages is bad enough, I had to rebreed 4 entire generations to remove the corrupted section.

 

So NO NO NO NO NO. This is NOT a good idea. If you don't want messy lineages, don't breed messy lineages. Go hunt up some nice REAL caveborns to breed.

[ParticleSoup]

I like to see the dead bits. I like to KNOW.

this.

 

and now since Teej has made it so even a single dragon with two dead parents will have both tombstones showing in its lineage page(whereas one would appear CB before), there is no way to pass off a lineage that's been doctored without being able to tell.

 

also, some people do like the tombstones, and find them appealing in some way

[TJ09]

Conversely, what do people think about me making the site store the lost linage information so that the lineage can continue past the tombstones, preventing people from "doctoring" lineages. To me, it seems disingenuous to try to misrepresent dragons, so...

[ParticleSoup]

i like it as it is now, honestly. it gives users SOME control over lineages, but not so much that they can completely abuse it.