Posted June 28, 2014 Sorry for bailing on the drawing, thanks for keeping it going deb! My laptop is toast, so am struggling with super slow desktop until I can replace it. The 2nd gen avatar of destruction x gold grew up on my scroll, so I'll take that as my first pick (sorry cathie ). Choices for remaining rounds: 28, 29, 14, 12, 17 The 2 green opal hatchies are still available, ER but not grown yet. Share this post Link to post
Posted June 28, 2014 (edited) Ahhh...thanks for the clarification on the CB Opals, Pink. I just knew the trade links had expired. I'll fix the designation. (And welcome back!!) Since it's been several hours (and we have hatchies that are growing!) I'm going to assign the 3rd round eggs as best I can... ETA: Alrighty. Round 3 has been assigned. Kind of. Several of you ran out of choices. So... * Roekerd * Ryu * rrattts * Fiona * Husker You are all due a third round pick, if you'd like one Edited June 29, 2014 by deblogan Share this post Link to post
Posted June 28, 2014 Um, if it's still hanging around when it gets to my turn I'd take #1, but if someone else likes it, don't hesitate guys. Otherwise, pass. Since the other shimmer is from my dragons, I don't collect opals and the other two are my offerings. I'm going to influence and hatch those two before I go to bed tonight if no one asks for them, so they will be properly influenced. They have about 20 hours still to influence, so they should be safe for today, but I'll be gone all day tomorrow and we don't want to lose our window of opportunity. Share this post Link to post
Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) At this point (3rd round!) I'm not standing on ceremony. You asked, Fiona, so #1 is yours Next? Moving the list onto the new page... 7 roekerd - #22 - 6 - (skipping for now) 2 ryu - 3 - 13 - 2 1 rrattts - 24 - 25 - 4 5 zelda - 30 - 11 - 10 3 cathie - (grew up) - 27 - 8 - 12 6 pink - 23 - 28 - 14 4 fiona - 26 - 19 - 1 8 deb - 18 - 16 - 29 9 Husker - 7 - 15 - (your list is all spoken for - let me know) SHIMMERS 1. 5th gen silver shimmer x copper from Color http://dragcave.net/lineage/sN8en (will be influenced and hatched today) - Fiona 2. 5th gen silver shimmer x copper from Luckiest Catch donated by zelda http://dragcave.net/lineage/4vHqe - RyuKaiser TINSELS 3. 4th gen bronze tinsel x skywing from San Victorus donated by cathie http://dragcave.net/lineage/yxth4 - RyuKaiser 4. 4th gen bronze tinsel x hellfire spiral from donated by Fiona http://dragcave.net/lineage/QHm3q - rrattts 5. 4th gen bronze tinsel x nebula from Cielatahl donated by Fiona http://dragcave.net/lineage/87XEk 6. 4th even gen bronze from Dark Rose donated by Fiona http://dragcave.net/lineage/dPmYe - Roekerd 7. 4th gen silver tinsel x autumn from Penk donated by Roekerd http://dragcave.net/lineage/lhtZH - Husker 8. 4th gen silver tinsel x nebula from Abby donated by Roekerd http://dragcave.net/lineage/J3dTV - cathie 9. 4th even gen silver tinsel from Penk and Abby donated by Roekerd http://dragcave.net/lineage/cWKff METALS 10. 3rd gen silver x water checker donated by Valkie http://dragcave.net/lineage/4U1X1 - Zelda 11. 2nd gen pb silver http://dragcave.net/lineage/rNWGH - Zelda 12. 2nd gen silver x ice donated by Ryu http://dragcave.net/lineage/AZCsM - cathie 13. 2nd gen silver x water donated by zelda http://dragcave.net/lineage/nINWN - RyuKaiser 14. 3rd gen silver x white checker donated by zelda http://dragcave.net/lineage/eCO7o - Pink 15. 3rd gen perfect gold donated by zelda http://dragcave.net/lineage/YvUE5 - Husker 16. 3rd gen gold x autumn ss donated by zelda http://dragcave.net/lineage/vzChs - debloagn 17. 5th gen perfect gold donated by Roekerd http://dragcave.net/lineage/H7N8d COPPERS/CB OPALS 18. 2nd gen green copper x silver donated by Valkie http://dragcave.net/lineage/dr1OC - deblogan 19. 2nd gen brown copper x silver donated by Valkie http://dragcave.net/lineage/soqdU - Fiona 20. CB green opal hatchie - (grew up) 21. CB green opal hatchie - (grew up) 22. CB rainbow copper donated by rrattts - Roekerd 30. CB green copper donated by rrattts - Zelda AVATARS 23. 2nd gen creation hatchie from male gold (hidden to keep from growing up, uninfluenced) - Pink 24. 2nd gen destruction from vine donated by littleblackdog http://dragcave.net/lineage/Zu0vx - rrattts 25. 2nd gen destruction from grave donated by cathie http://dragcave.net/lineage/3VeYJ - rrattts 26. 2nd gen destruction from grave donated by cathie http://dragcave.net/lineage/idhWP - Fiona 27. 3rd even creation x copper donated by Fiona http://dragcave.net/lineage/HqndV - cathie 28. 2nd gen creation from ice donated by Roekerd http://dragcave.net/lineage/eb0SY - Pink 29. 2nd gen creation from ice donated by Roekerd http://dragcave.net/lineage/OvoBM - deblogan Edited June 29, 2014 by deblogan Share this post Link to post
Posted June 29, 2014 OK, ok, that was fast! Here are my third round choices: 2, 4, 20, 17, 21 Share this post Link to post
Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) 3rd round if any? 4, 5 ,17 think i could work on 6th gen with it also is there anyone with very few CB Green Coppers? Edited June 29, 2014 by rrattts Share this post Link to post
Posted June 29, 2014 I only have one pair of CB Green Coppers, rrattts. BUT I do have two, so there may be some folks here with less Share this post Link to post
Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) 3rd round if any? 4, 5 ,17 think i could work on 6th gen with it also is there anyone with very few CB Green Coppers? I have now 2 of the Greens, hopefully the one I got from you 'll gender right (MALE). And I have 3 others I think. Roekerd has No Greens, but he also just got a CB Copper from you this drawing. He has one pair of Reds and 2 female Rainbows. ETA: It did gender Male http://dragcave.net/view/8rvVS Edited June 30, 2014 by Zeldarax Share this post Link to post
Posted July 4, 2014 (edited) I was lucky yesterday Ryu had asked for the Copper Shimmer, I offered at the Shiny drawing, but it matured, before he was able to collect it. But guess what, I just bred a replacement in one try! I was also able to register a few old Winters yesterday, they were from March 2013. I'll try to keep it more up to date, but still so many to go (more than 1000) Edited July 4, 2014 by Zeldarax Share this post Link to post
Posted July 4, 2014 Congrats on the quick replacement breeding, Zelda Don't you love being able to register with that form? Happy 4th of July to all you Americans in the group Share this post Link to post
Posted July 5, 2014 (edited) Don't forget there should be a new release today in about 20 minutes. Also, Hellsend bred a nice tinsel egg for us. I've tentatively accepted an offer for three 2nd gen hybrids, a soulpeace, a bluna and a geode, to be bred after the drop is over and I have room. So, who wants one of the eggs? Edited July 5, 2014 by Fiona BlueFire Share this post Link to post
Posted July 5, 2014 (edited) Yeah, thanks Zelda, I really like my new silver shimmer Also, now that the new releasea is out there, I have two questions: 1- Anybody knows how long will it last? I haven't been able to caught a single egg and bing there 3 new breeds I'm worried I won't be able to catch a pair of each breed as I expect and 2- Since a new release is out, are we deciding on adding th Change Avatars? I hav two mature ones that I have kept from naming expecting them to be added to the lineage Also, Fiona, you're asking us help to breed the hybrids for the trade or asking if anyone is willing to house one of the hybrid eggs? Sorry I just didn't understood it right .. But in any case I'd be happy to help with the first option or if you asked for the second one, I'd be happy to house a Soulpeace EDIT: just caught on of the striped ones Edited July 5, 2014 by RyuKaiser Share this post Link to post
Posted July 5, 2014 (edited) The eggs will be received as the trade for our bronze tinsel egg (from Hellsend) The eggs rightfully belong to the lineage, so I was asking who would like one of them to keep. I have not heard anything from Odeen about the Change Avatars. I don't know how much she's been on since their release. edited to add: the new release is permanent. I'm sure as the day goes on and people fill up their scrolls they'll get easier to catch. Edited July 5, 2014 by Fiona BlueFire Share this post Link to post
Posted July 5, 2014 Well then, I'd be glad to take one of the Soulpeace Hope we get some news from the Change Avatars soon then... And yeah, its becom really easier now, I finally managed to get a pair of each Had to incubate some eggs but it was worth it Share this post Link to post
Posted July 5, 2014 Don't forget there should be a new release today in about 20 minutes. Also, Hellsend bred a nice tinsel egg for us. I've tentatively accepted an offer for three 2nd gen hybrids, a soulpeace, a bluna and a geode, to be bred after the drop is over and I have room. So, who wants one of the eggs? if Bluna does not find a home i will def make space as hybrids are next in line to collect Finally coming to end of all other CBs minimum of 10 pairs of each just trying for last stragglers hoping to finish before i go on Hols besides trying to get another 60 of new release (bangs head) Share this post Link to post
Posted July 6, 2014 Ryu, I went ahead and named my Avatars of Change without the 5E designation. I'm hoping they'll be added and I'll get to use the rename function to add in the 5E Here's a recap of where we stand at the moment on these beauties: Avatar of Change (Pink - http://dragcave.net/lineage/ZTJsh) Yes: deblogan (wind), RyuKaiser (life), Fiona BlueFire (wind), No: Thinking: sparkdragon, Zeldarax, Grandmother_cathie, Husker, Xocowolf, Pink I've changed my element to wind based on Fi's comments, but other than that, nothing has changed. When I open the vote for the new release dragons, I'll add the Avatars of Change too. Even without new information, I'm hoping maybe some of our members will have changed their minds (My husband will tell you, I'm an eternal optimist!!) Share this post Link to post
Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) Claim links have gone out for the bluna and soulpeace. Who wants the geode? All claimed. Edited July 8, 2014 by Fiona BlueFire Share this post Link to post
Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) I hate waiting those last few hours before TJ's dragons grow up! http://dragcave.net/lineage/0G1VA Cassare Dragons are known for their magic-deadening abilities. Though not a conscious ability, a large field surrounds the dragon through which magic is passively nullified. This field is strongest near the dragon itself, and falls off with distance. The absence of magic often makes other creatures avoid them, though some will have the opposite reaction and seek refuge instead. It has also caused them to be hunted, as though the field is severely weakened once dead, their bones and scales retain some of the effect; possessing such an item is considered a necessity by those who expect to face hostile magic. http://dragcave.net/lineage/BozVy Carmine Wyverns are active predators found most commonly in tropical regions. They have a poor sense of smell and are primarily dependent on sight and sound to hunt. These dragons are lightweight and quick, and tend to flee from rivals rather than attempt to fight. When a confrontation does occur it usually involves large amounts of posturing and displaying to make the wyverns appear larger and stronger than their opponents, and one will often surrender and leave without a fight ever actually occurring. They are dedicated parents and usually mate for life, though the degree of loyalty to a partner varies between individuals and within individual pairings. http://dragcave.net/lineage/ZvG3F Blue-Banded Dragons are found primarily in mountainous regions with lots of precipitation. Although terrestrial, they are most often sighted near running water and feed mostly on fish. Females are very social and form tight-knit family groups, while males are strictly solitary and will fight any other dragons that enter their territory outside of breeding season. For this reason, females tend to drive males away when they are not ready to mate, or when they are caring for hatchlings. The amount of striping varies greatly from individual to individual, with some dragons having only faint dark streaks on their sides and others appearing to be almost entirely dark blue with paler markings. I don't really see any of the three that scream ELEMENTAL!!!! to me. Edited July 8, 2014 by Grandmother_cathie Share this post Link to post
Posted July 9, 2014 I agree, they don't seem particularly elemental to me either. Share this post Link to post
Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) AND...Here we go again! Voting is now open for DC's newest releases, Cassare Dragons, Carmine Wyverns and Blue-Banded Dragons. Also making another appearance are the Avatars of Change (complete with their currently recorded votes). All members are welcome to vote, but please read the following definitions carefully. Ideally each breed should have 3 characteristics to qualify for an Elemental category, so if giving a YES vote please state your reasoning along with it. You may not compare a new release to an already eligible breed. They must be voted in on their own merit. EARTH - Dragons comprised of, resembling, or able to control rock, metal, and/or dirt, POSSIBLY residing in the earth. For example, a stone dragon is made of stone-like material AND eats rocks. Green dragons live within the caves AND have control over the earth. WIND - Dragons comprised of gas or with a strong connection to weather or the cosmos. POSSIBLY those that spend a majority of their time in the air. For example, grey dragons land only to rest and eat AND they have control of the weather. Thunder dragons land only to sleep and breed. They get moisture from the clouds and control the weather. FIRE - Dragons who control or are comprised of fire or electricity. Also those that resemble fire or the sun or which are controlled by or strongly tied to the sun. For example, magma dragons are coated in magma, live in volcanic regions AND are capable of withstanding intense temperatures. Sunsongs control light AND are controlled by the light. WATER - Dragons who control or are comprised of water in either it's liquid or solid state. Also those that live the entirety of their lives in the water. For example, ice dragons form icicles on their skin, and can freeze a predator with their cold breath. LIFE - dragons who rely on or are affected by a very specific part of nature, which must be different than the majority of other breeds. For example, a qualifier can not be that the dragon depends on living in the trees alone. But Pumpkin dragons would qualify because they live specifically in pumpkins AND can only be bred during Harvest time. Let the voting begin! Cassare Dragons are known for their magic-deadening abilities. Though not a conscious ability, a large field surrounds the dragon through which magic is passively nullified. This field is strongest near the dragon itself, and falls off with distance. The absence of magic often makes other creatures avoid them, though some will have the opposite reaction and seek refuge instead. It has also caused them to be hunted, as though the field is severely weakened once dead, their bones and scales retain some of the effect; possessing such an item is considered a necessity by those who expect to face hostile magic. Cassare Dragons (http://dragcave.net/lineage/0G1VA) Yes: No: Grandmother_cathie, Fiona, Lavinia, LadyBahiya, Zeldarax, deblogan Thinking: Carmine Wyverns are active predators found most commonly in tropical regions. They have a poor sense of smell and are primarily dependent on sight and sound to hunt. These dragons are lightweight and quick, and tend to flee from rivals rather than attempt to fight. When a confrontation does occur it usually involves large amounts of posturing and displaying to make the wyverns appear larger and stronger than their opponents, and one will often surrender and leave without a fight ever actually occurring. They are dedicated parents and usually mate for life, though the degree of loyalty to a partner varies between individuals and within individual pairings. Carmine Wyverns (http://dragcave.net/lineage/BozVy) Yes: No: Grandmother_cathie, Fiona, Lavinia, LadyBahiya, Zeldarax, deblogan Thinking: Blue-Banded Dragons are found primarily in mountainous regions with lots of precipitation. Although terrestrial, they are most often sighted near running water and feed mostly on fish. Females are very social and form tight-knit family groups, while males are strictly solitary and will fight any other dragons that enter their territory outside of breeding season. For this reason, females tend to drive males away when they are not ready to mate, or when they are caring for hatchlings. The amount of striping varies greatly from individual to individual, with some dragons having only faint dark streaks on their sides and others appearing to be almost entirely dark blue with paler markings. Blue-Banded Dragons (http://dragcave.net/lineage/ZvG3F) Yes: No: Grandmother_cathie, Fiona, Lavinia, LadyBahiya, Zeldarax, deblogan Thinking: Avatars of Change are unpredictable, exuberant dragons whose unique connection to magic has saturated their entire bodies. It is said that possessing one of their iridescent scales can change one’s fate, and many have sought the favor of these dragons hoping to receive a scale as a gift. Avatar of Change (Pink - http://dragcave.net/lineage/ZTJsh) Yes: deblogan (wind), RyuKaiser (life), Fiona BlueFire (wind), Lavinia (wind), LadyBahiya (?) No: Thinking: sparkdragon, Zeldarax, Grandmother_cathie, Husker, Xocowolf, Pink I'll state again (just because I can ) that I think since the Avatars are bred dragons, they should automatically be part of the 5E lineage as long as BOTH parents are elemental dragons. (And NO, I don't consider this "comparing them to an already eligible breed." Bred dragons are a special case IMHO.) 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Posted July 9, 2014 [Hi everyone, I'm back after a short hiatus!] Lots of voting... Cassare Dragons: no Carmine Wyverns: no Blue-Banded Dragons: no Avatars of Change: yes, in wind (1) As Avatars are all one breed, and the other two Avatar types were accepted as elemental. While I realize that they have three different descriptions, I still see this as support for the Changes being elemental also. (2) Avatars of Change have a clear strong connection to the cosmos. (3) Wind has always been linked to change, whether in the metaphors of literature ('the winds of change' and similar are popular metaphors) or the real world (winds and the jet stream move warm and cold fronts which bring about tangible change in the environment). I do agree that for an avatar to be elemental, it has to be bred from two elemental parents. (I'm somewhat sad that the July release didn't provide any new breeds that seem elemental, but oh well.) Share this post Link to post
Posted July 9, 2014 Thought I'd pop in for a vote... Cassare Dragons: no Carmine Wyverns: no Blue-Banded Dragons: no After reading the descriptions from TJ's grown dragons, not one thing about any of them screamed Elemental to me. Avatars of Change: yes, though I'm unsure as to what catergory they should be in. My only reason for my yes vote is due to the fact that since the GoN is an Elemental, so should the AoC be as well (grandfather clause). Share this post Link to post
Posted July 9, 2014 It looks an easy choice, except, when there is additional information about the magic Field and its effect on others, than I'll reconsider the Cassare. Cassare Dragons: no Carmine Wyverns: no Blue-Banded Dragons: no About the Avatar of Change: The Grandfather Clause is a strong one, but I'm still hoping on more information. So I still wait a little and have a look at the other arguments when i have a some more time. Share this post Link to post
Posted July 9, 2014 deb, it might be helpful to bring forward some of the arguments made for Avatars of Change, just so people can easily see them. Not that people must read those to be able to form opinions, and Lavinia stated the main parts of the arguments very clearly. I can try PMing Odeen again, but she hasn't even read the last one I sent, so I don't think she's been on much. As for my formal votes on the three new ones, I vote no on all. Sad too that all of them don't seem elemental. Share this post Link to post
Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) Pulling this onto the new page: AND...Here we go again! Voting is now open for DC's newest releases, Cassare Dragons, Carmine Wyverns and Blue-Banded Dragons. Also making another appearance are the Avatars of Change (complete with their currently recorded votes). All members are welcome to vote, but please read the following definitions carefully. Ideally each breed should have 3 characteristics to qualify for an Elemental category, so if giving a YES vote please state your reasoning along with it. You may not compare a new release to an already eligible breed. They must be voted in on their own merit. EARTH - Dragons comprised of, resembling, or able to control rock, metal, and/or dirt, POSSIBLY residing in the earth. For example, a stone dragon is made of stone-like material AND eats rocks. Green dragons live within the caves AND have control over the earth. WIND - Dragons comprised of gas or with a strong connection to weather or the cosmos. POSSIBLY those that spend a majority of their time in the air. For example, grey dragons land only to rest and eat AND they have control of the weather. Thunder dragons land only to sleep and breed. They get moisture from the clouds and control the weather. FIRE - Dragons who control or are comprised of fire or electricity. Also those that resemble fire or the sun or which are controlled by or strongly tied to the sun. For example, magma dragons are coated in magma, live in volcanic regions AND are capable of withstanding intense temperatures. Sunsongs control light AND are controlled by the light. WATER - Dragons who control or are comprised of water in either it's liquid or solid state. Also those that live the entirety of their lives in the water. For example, ice dragons form icicles on their skin, and can freeze a predator with their cold breath. LIFE - dragons who rely on or are affected by a very specific part of nature, which must be different than the majority of other breeds. For example, a qualifier can not be that the dragon depends on living in the trees alone. But Pumpkin dragons would qualify because they live specifically in pumpkins AND can only be bred during Harvest time. Let the voting begin! Cassare Dragons are known for their magic-deadening abilities. Though not a conscious ability, a large field surrounds the dragon through which magic is passively nullified. This field is strongest near the dragon itself, and falls off with distance. The absence of magic often makes other creatures avoid them, though some will have the opposite reaction and seek refuge instead. It has also caused them to be hunted, as though the field is severely weakened once dead, their bones and scales retain some of the effect; possessing such an item is considered a necessity by those who expect to face hostile magic. Cassare Dragons (http://dragcave.net/lineage/0G1VA) Yes: RyuKaiser (Life) No: Grandmother_cathie, Fiona, Lavinia, LadyBahiya, Zeldarax, deblogan, Husker, Pink Thinking: Xocowolf Carmine Wyverns are active predators found most commonly in tropical regions. They have a poor sense of smell and are primarily dependent on sight and sound to hunt. These dragons are lightweight and quick, and tend to flee from rivals rather than attempt to fight. When a confrontation does occur it usually involves large amounts of posturing and displaying to make the wyverns appear larger and stronger than their opponents, and one will often surrender and leave without a fight ever actually occurring. They are dedicated parents and usually mate for life, though the degree of loyalty to a partner varies between individuals and within individual pairings. Carmine Wyverns (http://dragcave.net/lineage/BozVy) Yes: No: Grandmother_cathie, Fiona, Lavinia, LadyBahiya, Zeldarax, deblogan, Husker, Xocowolf, RyuKaiser, Pink Thinking: Blue-Banded Dragons are found primarily in mountainous regions with lots of precipitation. Although terrestrial, they are most often sighted near running water and feed mostly on fish. Females are very social and form tight-knit family groups, while males are strictly solitary and will fight any other dragons that enter their territory outside of breeding season. For this reason, females tend to drive males away when they are not ready to mate, or when they are caring for hatchlings. The amount of striping varies greatly from individual to individual, with some dragons having only faint dark streaks on their sides and others appearing to be almost entirely dark blue with paler markings. Blue-Banded Dragons (http://dragcave.net/lineage/ZvG3F) Yes: No: Grandmother_cathie, Fiona, Lavinia, LadyBahiya, Zeldarax, deblogan, Husker, Xocowolf, Pink Thinking: RyuKaiser Avatars of Change are unpredictable, exuberant dragons whose unique connection to magic has saturated their entire bodies. It is said that possessing one of their iridescent scales can change one’s fate, and many have sought the favor of these dragons hoping to receive a scale as a gift. Avatar of Change (Pink - http://dragcave.net/lineage/ZTJsh) Yes: deblogan (wind), RyuKaiser (life or wind), Fiona BlueFire (wind), Lavinia (wind), LadyBahiya (?) No: Thinking: sparkdragon, Zeldarax, Grandmother_cathie, Husker, Xocowolf, Pink I'll state again (just because I can ) that I think since the Avatars are bred dragons, they should automatically be part of the 5E lineage as long as BOTH parents are elemental dragons. (And NO, I don't consider this "comparing them to an already eligible breed." Bred dragons are a special case IMHO.) Fiona's Thoughts: .. and I think they should be in based on their relationship to the other two avatars. These are seriously powerful dragons. We know they are elementally based, just on a system that is different from ours. We know that wind dragons all breed Change, and so do ice dragons. (which isn't a separate category here, but we have all the ice dragons in our lineage) So, based on what we know about Creation and Destruction, and the fact that these were concepted together, I'd expect that they can control wind and weather, and flash freeze whatever they choose. I can't verify that though unless Odeen gets back to me. And of course, that's up to each person to weigh out and decide. Edited July 11, 2014 by deblogan Share this post Link to post
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