Pargulus Pygmy Lineage Plans

[Pilauli]

The one on my scroll that sorted as green, hatched green.  Its Pargulus parent was red and its non-Pargulus parent was from the Coast, so there's no way it should have inherited green from either parent.

 

So, breed sort is (probably) a reliable predictor of color.  And offspring can occasionally not match their parents - although that seems moderately uncommon.

[tjenni]

Wrong color and I don’t have any freezes left, feel free to freeze, both male Pargulus from Red Pargulus x Coral: 

Claim my eggs/hatchlings!

Claim my eggs/hatchlings!

Edited June 14, 2020 by tjenni

[Chaosdawn]

2 hours ago, tjenni said:

Wrong color and I don’t have any freezes left, feel free to freeze, both male Pargulus from Red Pargulus x Coral: 

Claim my eggs/hatchlings!

Claim my eggs/hatchlings!

 

Thank you!

[Dirtytabs]

The latest egg from pumpkin hatched red.

[Pilauli]

With a green father?

 

Just re-bred a matching pair.  Maybe we can eventually get some idea of the probabilities involved here.

https://dragcave.net/progeny/ulHhS

New egg sorts green, AKA matching Pargulus father.

 

Also, I just realized a really clever thing they did with the biome divisions.  Some of the biomes have more breeds than others.  The wiki lists about 30 breeds in "All Habitats", about 50 each in Alpine, Forest, and Jungle, and 30-something in Coast, Desert, and Volcano.  (Found with Ctrl+F and the Which egg is which? page.)  Although when I add them together, a difference of 80 to 60-something isn't so significant.  Each color of Pargulus appears in one more-populated biome and one less-populated biome, which means they all ought to be approximately the same amount available.

Edited June 15, 2020 by Pilauli
Finally remembered to sort for color-checking.

[Dirtytabs]

And which habitat kind of matches my mental logic. OK, blue water and frozen water, primarily green for jungle and yellow fuzz for desert sands, red lava and... uh... gotta drop them in the remaining forest.

 

Do pairing them with repeat partners produce the same variant?

[Pilauli]

Also, the forest gets red leaves in the autumn.

 

I don't know if repeat pairings produce the same variant all the time.  I've been assuming that they would not - if an egg has (hypothetically) a 50% chance of matching the Pargulus parent and is a random color the other 50% of the time, then I would expect each egg to be a random color, such that you might try a couple of times and eventually get the color you wanted.

 

Could eggs be more likely to match the Pargulus parent if that parent is the mother rather than the father?

 

Looking back over my Parguluses, I've bred 4 Parguluses from male Pargulus x female Something Else, of which 2 of them (half) match their father and 2 are some other color, while out of 5 with a female Pargulus x male Something Else, only 1 doesn't match its mother.  So from my small sample size, that seems like a reasonable explanation.

 

Of course, the next thing to check was other people's ratios, so I combed through this thread and the scrolls of people who mentioned dragons but didn't post links.  This unscientific approach gives me approximately the following %s miscoloration (miscolor / total):

PB:           4/9 = 44.4%

P. dad:  14/36 = 38.9%

P. mom:  8/27 = 29.6%

(Note I didn't count my own, just everyone else's here, because I already know which tendency my own have.)

 

So far, it looks like this theory might be true.  It also looks like maybe I should have made a spreadsheet instead of tally marks, and then we could have combed through it for data to back up or refute any theory.  Next time I think of another theory, maybe I'll do that.

[ComatosedRoses]

As per my other post, Pargulus Volcano x Coast Pipio did in deed hatch a blue! (where it sorted)

[Natevaelle]

  Here are my breeding results so far:

 

Male Pargulus from Alpine x Female Pargulus from Alpine (Blue x Blue)

1st Attempt: Red Pargulus (1YvYU)

2nd Attempt: Red Pargulus (I0QxT)

3rd Attempt: Red Pargulus (pIOD8)

4th Attempt: Blue Pargulus (DkXY0) -- Finally!

5th Attempt: Blue Pargulus (zhXZg)

6th Attempt: No Egg

7th Attempt: Green Pargulus (DkYHZ)

8th Attempt: Blue Pargulus (w26lG)

9th Attempt: Red Pargulus (VgWdc)

 

Male Pargulus from Jungle x Female Pargulus from Jungle (Green x Green)

1st Attempt: Green Pargulus (LWzSc)

2nd Attempt: No Egg

3rd Attempt: Green Pargulus (8PjGC)

4th Attempt: No Egg

5th Attempt: Red Pargulus (Yh33g)

6th Attempt: Green Pargulus (n4awD)

7th Attempt: Green Pargulus (BJUpO)

8th Attempt: Green Pargulus (LzVkt)

 

Male Pargulus from Forest x Female Pargulus from Forest (Red x Red)

1st Attempt: Red Pargulus (9PEOi)

2nd Attempt: Red Pargulus (Q70K6)

3rd Attempt: Green Pargulus (OIXae)

4th Attempt: Green Pargulus (7otwf)

5th Attempt: Blue Pargulus (cLgsM)

6th Attempt: Red Pargulus (O1TAG)

7th Attempt: Blue Pargulus (7kJKR)

8th Attempt: Red Pargulus (ZIEuB)

9th Attempt: Red Pargulus (VDrri)

 

The eight breeding attempt has been the best so far! All the dragon pairs bred true. 🙂

Edited August 9, 2020 by Natevaelle
Updated up to Ninth Breeding Attempts.

[Fly-by-Night]

According to the sorting, this one will hatch green! Algae in the water, perhaps...?

 

https://dragcave.net/lineage/96WBm

[tjenni]

I´m especially unhappy with male Red Pargulus x female Coral (for my Heart lineage) all turned another color (the egg sorted as green) at least the lovely @Ruby Eyes gave me one, that sorts as Red (I hope it really turns red *laugh*) ^^

 

https://dragcave.net/progeny/eqSup

https://dragcave.net/progeny/F4iR1

https://dragcave.net/progeny/Uy8of

[Pilauli]

10 hours ago, Pilauli said:

Could eggs be more likely to match the Pargulus parent if that parent is the mother rather than the father?

[...]

So far, it looks like this theory might be true.  It also looks like maybe I should have made a spreadsheet instead of tally marks,

 

Okay, I did decide to make a spreadsheet.  I filled it up with my dragons' offspring and a bunch of hatchies I found in AoND.  (I'm relying on "there are enough Parguluses out there that I probably won't record too many of them twice.")

 

My theory appears to be pretty much false, because the new percent miscoloration (for non-PBs) is about 16% for those with a Pargulus father and 44% for those with a Pargulus mother - exactly backwards of what I thought it might be.  And 56% for PBs.

 

I didn't include dragons people mentioned in this thread, though (except my own), so if you want to add your own, go ahead.  (You see, I already looked through this thread earlier while trying to support my theory, so I didn't want to go back through this thread to build my spreadsheet.)

 

And everyone feel free to re-sort it and stuff like that to look for patterns.  (I don't know what happens if two people try to sort it their way at the same time.  I guess someone has to make a copy, come back later, or use some option that lets you view it sorted differently without changing the base data.)

 

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Edit with news: Aaagh.  I just bred 2 green (desert) Pargulus females to 2 Mimic males (one from forest, one from jungle) - both sort as red.

Edited June 17, 2020 by Pilauli

[Shadowdrake]

Red volc m x coast pip f = sorted red https://dragcave.net/lineage/c9081

Blue alp m x volc pip f = sorted blue https://dragcave.net/lineage/nhptf

Blue alp m x cave pump f = sorted green https://dragcave.net/lineage/wZllk

 

Blue alp f x volc pip m = sorted blue https://dragcave.net/lineage/VHlMY

 

pb red parg = sorted red https://dragcave.net/lineage/Tl1Ac

Edited June 17, 2020 by Shadowdrake

[miaou]

i'm not linking or adding to the spreadsheet because they all went to the ap, but 13 of the 16 pargulus eggs i bred on june 17 hatched true (color matching the pargulus parent/s). of the remaining 3, one matched the biome of the male non-pargulus parent while the other two didn't match anything. i don't know how helpful this is because without links it's just anecdotal, but there you go.

[Ruby Eyes]

On 6/16/2020 at 9:40 PM, tjenni said:

https://dragcave.net/progeny/F4iR1

This gives me hope

[miaou]

4 hours ago, Ruby Eyes said:

This gives me hope

 

if it would give you more hope, i'll add progeny links so you can see all of my pargulus who have different colored children with the same mate. testing that was the main reason i bred so many pairs this week.

[Dirtytabs]

Green from coast blue and jungle dark myst https://dragcave.net/lineage/Q52Jw

Red from desert green and coast coral https://dragcave.net/lineage/nDhCE

Green from desert green and jungle red-tail https://dragcave.net/lineage/A2Yxi

Red from desert green and forest mimic https://dragcave.net/lineage/vbTEh

Add another red from volcano red and cave pumpkin https://dragcave.net/progeny/qqKBH

 

Meanwhile, these two rebels took each other's colours: https://dragcave.net/lineage/nDNZv https://dragcave.net/lineage/lApPV. Sorry @Imago

 

All added to the sheet.

[schmupti]

Hope it helps!

 

Purebred, same color
Green (Jungle) Pargulus + Green (Desert) Pargulus = 3 Green offspring, 1 Red
Red (Forest) Pargulus + Red (Forest) Pargulus = 1 Blue

 

Purebred but mixed colors:
Blue Pargulus (Coast) + Green Pargulus (Desert) = 1 Green
Red Pargulus (Forest) + Green Pargulus (bred on scroll) = 1 Green
Green Pargulus (Desert) + Blue Pargulus (Coast) = egg sorts under Blue

[Ruffledfeathers]

Ooh I had my first miscolours, both from ones who bred true previously.

 

Red Volcano Parg x Coast Coral = Blue 

Green Jungle Parg x Jungle Misfit = Blue

 

Again; both pairings had bred true at least once before this  

 

My market parg has bred true every time thus far; although it has only had 3 babies

[Dirtytabs]

Jungle glowback x alpine pargulus -> blue, matches parent

Desert pargulus x coast seawyrm -> green, matches parent

Jungle pargulus x forest mimic -> green, matches parent

Volcano pargulus x forest red-tail -> red, matches parent

Desert pargulus x alpine common -> green, matches parent

Coast pargulus x alpine common -> blue, matches parent

Volcano pargulus x volcano pipio -> red, matches parent

Forest kyanite x desert pargulus -> green, matches parent

Jungle misfit x volcano pargulus -> red, matches parent

Desert pargulus x jungle mimic -> green, matches parent

Coast pargulus x forest red-tail -> blue, matches parent

Alpine common x volcano pargulus -> red, matches parent

 

Blue bred pargulus x bred dark myst -> red

Blue bred pargulus x bred dark myst -> red

Coast seawyrm x desert pargulus -> red

Bred misfit x desert pargulus -> red

Jungle pargulus x alpine magelight -> blue

Volcano pargulus x forest glowback -> blue

Edited July 20, 2020 by Dirtytabs

[Ruby Eyes]

So ... since Halloween is drawing closer: Would you say Pumpkins look better with red, blue or green Pargulus mates?

 

[Lady Meli]

1 hour ago, Ruby Eyes said:

So ... since Halloween is drawing closer: Would you say Pumpkins look better with red, blue or green Pargulus mates?

 

I like all combinations, actually. I think my personal favourites are with male greens and female reds, though.

[Ruby Eyes]

5 minutes ago, Lady Meli said:

I think my personal favourites are with male greens and female reds, though.

Hey, mine, too! I like how nicely the green goes with a Pumpkin in general, and how the yellow highlights on the female red match the Pumpkin!

[Aie]

1 hour ago, Lady Meli said:

I like all combinations, actually. I think my personal favourites are with male greens and female reds, though.

Haha! I'm planning to do male reds and female greens. I can already tell that Pargulus is my favourite breed to pair with Pumpkins, overall.

[tjenni]

hmmm, doesn´t look like I hoped for (probably to many generations) https://dragcave.net/lineage/d8yo0 (more like a B than a heart)