Coronavirus Discussion

[purplehaze]

16 hours ago, Astreya said:

Looks like Mr.Trump does not only dislike Dr Anthony Fauci and his facts big time, but now he wants to make sure that the CDC won't have the proper data of the Covid-19 pandemic:

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/coronavirus-data-trump-cdc.html

He can't make the virus go away like he said it would.

He can't make people unconcerned about the death toll like he hoped he could.

So now he moves to hide the figures so people won't know what is happening.

Frightening how far he will go to try to make himself look good!

[Daydreamer09]

@Kith Thanks for clarifying why it's a smaller group. That makes a lot of sense when you explain it like that.

 

@AngelsSin

I think in the long run and in the big picture if we can even get a vaccine that works for a part of the population, that would be a big relief. Just for the fact that it would give more herd immunity to protect individuals who can't get vaccinated.

[AngelsSin]

@Daydreamer09.

 

I would agree if and that is a very big if, the antibodies from the vaccine last longer than what is showing from people who actually get the disease. Since early results are showing that could potentially only last for a couple weeks to maybe a couple months. I would be more reassured with better results. I'm not into putting my faith in the most basic of results. And this doesn't so far include anyone older than 55 years old, anyone under the age of 18, or those with underlying conditions. Sure it can be helpful if it protects some but it's not good if it give people a false sense of complacency or security. If for some the vaccine fades after a few weeks they can then get the virus while not realizing they are one of those the vaccine fades fast for, which is IMO a dangerous thing to place my or anyone's faith in. Especially as it is said that those who get it for a second time get it worse the second time around. I don't want to rush to judgement for or against it, I just want more info/results and better results before I start breathing a sigh of relief. In the end the first trial only ended up with 30 people in the trial as they had to stop the higher dose (15 people) because that was too problematic. That is not a good amount of people in the grand scheme of things. I want hope with a healthy dose of reality.

 

Source: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/modernas-covid-19-vaccine-shows-promise-in-first-published-results/ar-BB16MoAU

Edited July 15, 2020 by AngelsSin

[Astreya]

Somehow there seems to be a continuous trickle of new infections here. There seems to be around one new infection per day (okay, a little less of you look at the 7-day average), but the point is that there *is* a new infection again and again. Plus one of the persons in the hospital is now in intensive care, which is not a good sign.

 

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Daily update for Oberhausen, NRW, Germany:

 

As of today, Thursday, July 16, 10:00 GMT+2,  my home town (population 211 000) has 17 active cases, while 295 people have recovered. All in all there have been 324 people who suffered from Covid-19 since the beginning of the pandemic. The number of newly infected people per 100 000 citizens in the last 7 days is 4.7.

 

Currently 3 persons are treated in hospitals, one of them in intensive care. 12 persons sadly died. 69 persons are currently quarantined. All in all there have been 15 477 Covid-19 tests in Oberhausen up to Wednesday, July 15.

 

Source: https://www.oberhausen.de/de/index/rathaus/verwaltung/umwelt-gesundheit-und-mobilitat/gesundheit/aktuelle_informationen/informationen_zum_coronavirus/aktuelle_meldungen.php

[trystan]

so this happened:

Coronavirus data has already disappeared after Trump administration shifted control from CDC

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/16/us-coronavirus-data-has-already-disappeared-after-trump-administration-shifted-control-from-cdc-to-hhs.html

 

"Previously public data has already disappeared from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s website after the Trump administration quietly shifted control of the information to the Department of Health and Human Services.

 

Since the pandemic began, the CDC regularly published data on availability of hospital beds and intensive care units across the country. But Ryan Panchadsaram, who helps run a data-tracking site called Covid Exit Strategy, said that when he tried to collect the data from the CDC on Tuesday, it had disappeared.

 

“We were surprised because the modules that we normally go to were empty. The data wasn’t available and not there,” he said. “There was no warning.”

 

CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield told reporters on a conference call Wednesday that states were told to stop sending hospital information to the National Healthcare Safety Network site, the CDC’s system for gathering data, beginning Wednesday. Instead, all data will now be reported through HHS’ reporting portal, officials said, adding that the decision was made to streamline data reporting and to provide HHS officials with real-time data.

 

Public health specialists and former health officials acknowledged that the CDC’s data reporting infrastructure was limited, and said it needs to be overhauled to meet the demands of the Covid-19 pandemic. However, they expressed concern in interviews with CNBC that the change could lead to less transparent data.

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yikes.

 

[purplehaze]

23 hours ago, AngelsSin said:

@Daydreamer09.

 

I would agree if and that is a very big if, the antibodies from the vaccine last longer than what is showing from people who actually get the disease. Since early results are showing that could potentially only last for a couple weeks to maybe a couple months. I would be more reassured with better results. I'm not into putting my faith in the most basic of results. And this doesn't so far include anyone older than 55 years old, anyone under the age of 18, or those with underlying conditions. Sure it can be helpful if it protects some but it's not good if it give people a false sense of complacency or security. If for some the vaccine fades after a few weeks they can then get the virus while not realizing they are one of those the vaccine fades fast for, which is IMO a dangerous thing to place my or anyone's faith in. Especially as it is said that those who get it for a second time get it worse the second time around. I don't want to rush to judgement for or against it, I just want more info/results and better results before I start breathing a sigh of relief. In the end the first trial only ended up with 30 people in the trial as they had to stop the higher dose (15 people) because that was too problematic. That is not a good amount of people in the grand scheme of things. I want hope with a healthy dose of reality.

 

Source: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/modernas-covid-19-vaccine-shows-promise-in-first-published-results/ar-BB16MoAU

I have to agree. I am going to be a little dubious of any vaccine, honestly, especially if it comes after only a limited-time trial. There is such a push to get a vaccine and get it fast that I fear corners may be cut or perhaps even downright falsified information. I wish I was more confident, but I can't say that I am. The way things have gone up to now leaves me doubtful. If Trump decides a vaccine is ready he is going to push it with all his might, whether the facts are there or not!

[Astreya]

@trystan

I wonder where exactly the JHU gets their data from. They write "Data sources: Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University; the Red Cross; the Census American Community Survey; the Bureau of Labor and Statistics."

I hope they still get the proper raw data somehow and can bypass this White House oversight data hub.

[trystan]

5 minutes ago, Astreya said:

I hope they still get the proper raw data somehow and can bypass this White House oversight data hub.

i hope they still get the proper data too! 😮 

[PrincessLucy]

I've been out from work since March 19. Going back on July 27, as rates in Connecticut are lower now.

 

*knocks on wood*

 

Hopefully, they stay lower.

 

I was staying out because of my 91 year old mother, but the company is giving the union a hard time over those of us still out. I work in a grocery store.

 

I cannot risk losing my job. I am 59 1/2. I am set to retire in 7 1/2 years. I can't afford to lose my pension.

 

If rates go up again here, I can go back out again. That starts my absence again, starting when I go back out.

 

It will be tough helping my mother shower, fixing her food, etc while trying to minimize contact with her.  Plan is for me to come in thru the garage, put my clothes in the washer, go take a shower, and then straight into my bedroom. Masked up whenever I am anywhere else but bedroom.

 

The store I am at is set to close in a few months, and I will be transferred when that happens. At the store I am at, it is low volume, so less contact with people.

[Astreya]

Daily update for Oberhausen, NRW, Germany:

 

As of today, Friday, July 17, 10:00 GMT+2,  my home town (population 211 000) has 20 active cases, while 296 people have recovered. All in all there have been 328 people who suffered from Covid-19 since the beginning of the pandemic. The number of newly infected people per 100 000 citizens in the last 7 days is 6.6.

 

Currently 3 persons are treated in hospitals, one of them in intensive care. 12 persons sadly died. 83 persons are currently quarantined. All in all there have been 15 644 Covid-19 tests in Oberhausen up to Thursday, July 16.

 

Source: https://www.oberhausen.de/de/index/rathaus/verwaltung/umwelt-gesundheit-und-mobilitat/gesundheit/aktuelle_informationen/informationen_zum_coronavirus/aktuelle_meldungen.php

[Lagie]

We are seeing a definite uptick.  We had two and a bit weeks with no new cases and now have 20 more in six days.

One of the newest is a flight attendant on our national carrier. We ought not to have opened our borders.

[trystan]

we had 45 new cases in my county yesterday...

(https://bucksgis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/a7e4f8a794a34bb5903813cdea584edb)

 

total county numbers (as of 7/16/20):

Total Confirmed Cases: 5,888

Recoveries: 4,281

Deaths: 511

(https://covid19-bucksgis.hub.arcgis.com/)

 

"statistics released by the county health department over the past three days showed only a slight increase in the number of new infections, which averaged 28 per day from Tuesday through Thursday. One death has been attributed to COVID so far in July, and coronavirus hospitalizations remain at the lowest level since late March."

(http://www.buckscounty.org/news/2020News/2020/07/17/county-buys-face-shields-for-schools-new-cases-average-28-in-last-3-days)

[Astreya]

@trystan

Out of curiosity - is it this here?

https://bao.arcgis.com/covid-19/jhu/county/42017.html

If yes it appears as if the JHU has slightly different numbers.

[trystan]

29 minutes ago, Astreya said:

Out of curiosity - is it this here?

https://bao.arcgis.com/covid-19/jhu/county/42017.html

If yes it appears as if the JHU has slightly different numbers.

it is.... but the numbers on the county site are probably from yesterday or the day before.  the only one i know is accurate is the 45 new cases from yesterday - that's this graph - https://bucksgis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/a7e4f8a794a34bb5903813cdea584edb

 

[Astreya]

@trystan

Well, it seems that the Trump cult seems to succeed in making assessing proper data difficult enough even for proper scientific organisations.

One can just hope that they only hide the data and not destroy it because it is inopportune.

[trystan]

@Astreya - my county only reports numbers every few days on the site, i think.... and i don't check it every day either.  but since the JHU numbers were a little higher, honestly i'd rather see higher numbers only to find out that they're slightly lower than what was reported.  also the PA governor is most definitely a Dem, i've been wearing a mask in public since like mid-April.

 

and now when i see states that the governor finally says "sure, wear a mask" it feels like we've already been doing this for a long time now  time is quite wibbly-wobbly these days....

[Astreya]

@trystan

It is good to hear that there are at least some sane people in charge in the US, even though they are continuously undermined by the imbeciles in the White House. I wish you all the best in your place!

[trystan]

1 minute ago, Astreya said:

It is good to hear that there are at least some sane people in charge in the US, even though they are continuously undermined by the imbeciles in the White House. I wish you all the best in your place!

thanks!

 

the fun thing is my sane governor has been called a communist and a tyrant for some of his keeping-us-safe policies.  we may have a Dem governor, but i'm pretty sure the rest of the PA government are just like like those imbeciles in Washington. goodie.

[Astreya]

I read something like that from the mayor of Atlanta vs the governor of Georgia: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/16/georgia-governor-sues-mask-mandate-covid19

I wonder if it is possible to sue the USgov for manslaughter through negligence at least.

[trystan]

i was just about to post that!

 

what the heck?!?!?!

Georgia Governor Sues Atlanta Mayor To Block Citywide Mask Mandate

The state asks a judge to overturn Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms’ orders that are more restrictive than Governor Brian Kemp’s, block her from issuing any more such orders.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/georgia-governor-sues-atlanta-mayor_n_5f10eeb3c5b6d14c3365452e

 

1 minute ago, Astreya said:

I wonder if it is possible to sue the USgov for manslaughter through negligence at least.

good question!  the US goverment will be in trouble if it is! 😮 

[Diame]

I'm in Canada and our border to the US is finally going to open soon, which I can't stand one bit. A law recently passed here where we'll need to wear masks inside businesses, but I don't understand why we couldn't keep our border closed to travelers until the US gets their nonsense together. Canadian lives are at risk.

[Lagie]

2 hours ago, trystan said:

what the heck?!?!?!

Georgia Governor Sues Atlanta Mayor To Block Citywide Mask Mandate

The state asks a judge to overturn Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms’ orders that are more restrictive than Governor Brian Kemp’s, block her from issuing any more such orders.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/georgia-governor-sues-atlanta-mayor_n_5f10eeb3c5b6d14c3365452e

That was my reaction, too. I cannot believe anyone would be that thoughtless and heartless.

 

51 minutes ago, Diame said:

I'm in Canada and our border to the US is finally going to open soon, which I can't stand one bit. A law recently passed here where we'll need to wear masks inside businesses, but I don't understand why we couldn't keep our border closed to travelers until the US gets their nonsense together. Canadian lives are at risk.

The closure's extended to August 21st.

From Trudeau's FB page - "Update on our border: Non-essential travel between Canada and the US remains restricted. And as we continue to fight COVID-19, we have agreed to extend the current border measures by another 30 days - until August 21st - to keep people in both our countries safe."

 

Our numbers for comparison (July 4th to July 16th). Gee, you think maybe we made a mistake in opening our borders? *headdesks*

 

And dagnabbit - Another FIVE cases today.  

Edited July 17, 2020 by Lagie
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[KrazyKarp]

44 minutes ago, Lagie said:

Gee, you think maybe we made a mistake in opening our borders? *headdesks*

The Bahamas have a tourism-heavy economy don't they? It sounds more detrimental to people's lives to close the borders than to open them. I mean I could be completely wrong; you certainly know the situation better than I do since you live there. That was just my gut reaction.

[Lagie]

Just now, KrazyKarp said:

The Bahamas have a tourism-heavy economy don't they? It sounds more detrimental to people's lives to close the borders than to open them. I mean I could be completely wrong; you certainly know the situation better than I do since you live there. That was just my gut reaction.

Unfortunately, that's correct; however, most of the recent cases actually seem to be people who left when the borders opened and went stateside then returned.

[trystan]

2 hours ago, Lagie said:

I cannot believe anyone would be that thoughtless and heartless.

*looks at who's in Washington DC* i can. *sigh*

 

2 hours ago, Diame said:

I'm in Canada and our border to the US is finally going to open soon, which I can't stand one bit. A law recently passed here where we'll need to wear masks inside businesses, but I don't understand why we couldn't keep our border closed to travelers until the US gets their nonsense together. Canadian lives are at risk.

 

2 hours ago, Lagie said:

Our numbers for comparison (July 4th to July 16th). Gee, you think maybe we made a mistake in opening our borders? *headdesks*

so the pandemic has exposed something about the US to the world that i think most of us have known all along - a majority of Americans are selfish and stupid. *sigh*