American Politics

[demonicvampiregirl]

Went through all the petitions on the white house website. Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, Vermont & Washington are the only states thus far that don't have a petition up, and Alaska has a petition up about an election to decide their fate.

 

6 out of 50 states want to stay (as of this moment). The petitions that have hit the 25k+ mark include Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, North Carolina, Alabama, Texas & Louisiana.

 

Jeez...these people have hate. They need to go to the doctor's office or something...

 

EDIT: Scratch Washington. Petition just popped up.

Quoting it again but here is all of them I think.

[KageSora]

I've seen numbers that place it at around half, but I've seen as high as at least one petition for every state. No idea how much truth there is, though. Numbers keep being thrown about, and I dunno how many are counting "bandwagon petitions"... "Hey, look! Let's have succession petition, too, all the other states are doing it!"

[Vhale]

Sorry to interrupt, but, uh, this happened:

 

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11/ge...ations-takeover

o.O

 

 

 

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/1...piracy-theories

[KageSora]

That is a GREAT conspiracy theory chart. I love it.

[LascielsShadow]

Me, too. I think we should make it into a game. Print it out on a giant sheet of paper, tack it to a wall and throw some darts at it, then take whichever ones they stick in and work them into a rant. I guarantee it won't be any more unhinged than most of the ones you'll find people coming up with.

 

 

 

Honestly, I think most of these secession petitions are bandwagon ones. Seems like a lot of people really are doing it because everybody else is. :/

Edited November 15, 2012 by LascielsShadow

[Kestra15]

Thank you for at least even considering this. You are the only one.

Kat, quite a lot of people on this thread have seriously considered it - and my very serious consideration is that it would be funny to watch it try and happen.

Sorry to interrupt, but, uh, this happened:

 

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11/ge...ations-takeover

I saw the slide comparing him to Stalin and Mao and decided that at 0545hrs it was too early for me to deal with such utter stupidity.

Edited November 15, 2012 by Kestra15

[TikindiDragon]

Ok, Republicans, do not agree with Obama's politics ... I do not either. Obama is more of a Socialist. America is not Socialist nor or they Communist.

*sigh* Kat, really? I know you've lived through the Red Scare, but this isn't even anywhere close. Do you consider the UK and Canada to be socialist/communist countries that are anti-all American ideals? Because Obama isn't trying to suggest anything that even goes as far as some of the policies in place in those countries already.

 

I've no problem with you have differing political views from mine - but I *am* going to take issue when you start spouting sych ill-informed nonsense as this insistence that Obama is Socialist/Communist - and/or that any faint hint of a socialist policy would permanently ruin America.

 

Just... put the McCarthyism down alright?

[demonicvampiregirl]

Kat, quite a lot of people on this thread have seriously considered it - and my very serious consideration is that it would be funny to watch it try and happen.

I said this to my dad. It would be funny to watch. The military bases they have would get pulled, the oil that goes through there would go through a different state, their government would be gone, they'd need their own form of currency, make their own laws/government, and deal with Mexico (which my dad pointed this out for texas). I don't see them lasting on their own for very long if they try to.

[skauble]

Well, this was quite an election. I'm still exhausted.

 

As for the succession brouhaha, people are letting some steam off but, realistically, there's not going to be any successions. Even conservatives are beginning to dial things down some – RedState.

 

Also, going a bit over the fiscal cliff isn't the preferred state of affairs, but won't kill us. And the national debt needs serious attention, but we need our economy to be growing for us to truly tackle that, and it's not going to be the end of our nation if we work on those things together instead of nothing but ZOMG NATIONAL DEBT!

 

We seriously need to get rid of the panic politics that have swamped the whole of our system. These issues are serious and it's crucial that we address them in that manner. But we aren't about to disappear off the map and we need to stop acting as if we are so that we can get things back on an even keel and figure out how to work with each other again.

 

This isn't to say that I think that conservatives should be happy with the outcome of the election. Of course they don't like it. I just think it should be remembered that we've all, on both sides, lived through administrations we disagree with on most issues. Democrats survived Reagan, Republicans survived Clinton, then the liberals had to get through Bush, and now the conservatives have to make it through Obama.

 

Also, I feel cheated. All these years and no one told me the options were: America - love it, leave it, or take it to go.

[Fuzzbucket]

Honestly, I think most of these secession petitions are bandwagon ones. Seems like a lot of people really are doing it because everybody else is. :/

Yeah - like the time someone posted something rather nasty about me on facebook (I am not there; I was told afterwards). He was just pissed off - it was all a bit silly - but he got loads of likes. Many from other friends of mine who - hadn't actually read what he said. When I asked one of them why (I was sent a screenshot, as what he said was not nice but the person who sent it knew it would make me laugh) she said "OMG I always "like" all his posts, but I never read it." Sheep, people, sheep. Never believe anything you read on the internet. (Including this post, of course - though it's true.)

 

Also I know how to sign a petition zillions of times from my own computer. I am not posting how, but if I can do it - and I am a 68 year old ordinary person- more sophisticated people can properly set something up to send in 500 sigs at a single keystroke...

[~Kat~]

Mitt Romney: Obama Won With 'Gifts' To Blacks, Hispanics, Young Voters

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/m...26pLid%3D234772

 

How do you feel about this article?

[Jrady]

I honestly feel if Romney had said he believed in abortions and gay marriage, it would have gone better for him.

There is no way he would ever say he believed in gay marriage, because he wanted to shut down the commission on gay and lesbian youth just because his name showed up on the same document as the word "transgender". I mean, if you're talking about things he'd never do, then sure it probably would have gone better for him if he'd have said he was going to push for more federal college grants and more healthcare reform too. But then again, all these things that you and I have mentioned would probably have estranged the republican voters, and most democrats would probably just have thought he was lying.

[Syaoransbear]

Mitt Romney: Obama Won With 'Gifts' To Blacks, Hispanics, Young Voters

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/m...26pLid%3D234772

 

How do you feel about this article?

I think it's silly that he's calling those things 'gifts'. You could say the same thing about him wanting to give 'gifts' to the rich.

 

Romney needs to take a look at his own mistakes and stop blaming Obama by saying he only won by bribing his voters, otherwise he's learned nothing from this election. Saying things like that really isn't helping his image. He had the chance to bow out with dignity and he didn't. Now he just seems sleazy.

Edited November 15, 2012 by Syaoransbear

[Fuzzbucket]

I think it's silly that he's calling those things 'gifts'. You could say the same thing about him wanting to give 'gifts' to the rich.

 

Romney needs to take a look at his own mistakes and stop blaming Obama by saying he bribed his voters, otherwise he's learned nothing from this election.

Right on !

 

I thought when he said in his concession speech that "we must work together" we might be getting somewhere. GOOD politics is about consensus and co-operation. What a shame.

[Jrady]

Mitt Romney: Obama Won With 'Gifts' To Blacks, Hispanics, Young Voters

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/m...26pLid%3D234772

 

How do you feel about this article?

That may partially be true, but couldn't you also say that Romney was touting 'gifts' to the richest 1% in the form of tax cuts? I almost always vote democrat, but I'm a college student(and not a rich one), and I would hate to think what would happen to my grants and subsidized loans if Romney were president.

[CrossingStar]

I thought when he said in his concession speech that "we must work together" we might be getting somewhere. GOOD politics is about consensus and co-operation. What a shame.

A lot of countries must look at the US government and think, 'They borrow way too much money! Look at that Romney guy! What a weird place that must be.'

 

I certainly would if I lived somewhere else.

[Rosedamai]

I would like to add as a person living right next to a real communist state that Obama isn't even close to communist and that calling someone a communist is a serious thing to accusate people of. I would also like to see less of this "omg communist" thing because it is simply put untrue and because people seem to be ignorant of what actually happened when you screamed that in certain places in certain periods of time.

Edited November 15, 2012 by ylangylang

[skauble]

Mitt Romney: Obama Won With 'Gifts' To Blacks, Hispanics, Young Voters

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/m...26pLid%3D234772

 

How do you feel about this article?

I feel like the Republicans need to take a deep breath, step back and figure out how they plan to proceed as a party.

 

Let's face it, for decades we've been listening to talk of what would happen once white people lost their commanding majority position. The fear surrounding that is part of the whole succession freak out. So I get that this is a difficult thing to deal with because it's gotten more gloom and doom predictions than the ending of the Mayan calendar.

 

But if the conservatives in this country want to survive, they have to resist this trap of their own making. If they insist on casting minorities as greedy leeches and young, single women as s, then they're going to find themselves steadily eliminated from more and more elected offices.

 

I know that four years seems forever when you're talking about the other guy's party being in charge, but there will be another election. Between now and then, the best thing that the Republicans can do is figure out how they can make their message meaningful to a wider group of voters.

 

The worst thing they can do – the very, very, very, worst – is listen to the conservative media folks who are going to take Romney's sad statements and use them to viewers up by telling them they were robbed! Voter fraud! Free gifts! Seriously, those people make more money and have greater influence when their base is angry and frustrated. If the people look to the blamers to help them deal with this, to help them avoid reality, then they might as well change GOP to Getting' Out of Politics.

[~Kat~]

Obama has socialist ways then.

 

We are not all equal and never will be, that is just the way it is.

 

I for one do not want to spread my wealth around. It takes everything my husband and I make to pay bills and to do just a few extra's.

 

The people that do not need to be on welfare, can get up off their rears and get a job.

 

The Obamacare is going to hurt many people who have jobs, as they are now cuttiing back full time workers. I do not feel it is right that Obama can force this country to have to take out insurance if they can not afford it.

 

I heard, that Muslems do not have to buy insurance, as that is gambling with their future. Can anyone spread some light on that?

[brairtrainer]

Obama has socialist ways then.

 

We are not all equal and never will be, that is just the way it is.

 

I for one do not want to spread my wealth around. It takes everything my husband and I make to pay bills and to do just a few extra's.

 

The people that do not need to be on welfare, can get up off their rears and get a job.

 

The Obamacare is going to hurt many people who have jobs, as they are now cuttiing back full time workers. I do not feel it is right that Obama can force this country to have to take out insurance if they can not afford it.

 

I heard, that Muslems do not have to buy insurance, as that is gambling with their future. Can anyone spread some light on that?

Actually ~Kat~ the people who are hurting people with jobs the most are greedy higher ups who cut people so they have a higher profit and more money for themselves. They then blame Obamacare, and other reforms to get away with their greedyness.

 

Honestly I think the republican's are done. I This would be a perfect time for several parties to step forward and help remove the restictive laws that have been set in place by the top two parties. Wouldn't it be great to see the Liberitarians and the green party in making decessions with the Democrats? I can easily see that turning around our healthcare correctly, allow for more taxes to be colleceted so we can start paying off the debt and stop the handouts to the people who are reaching for them when they don't need them. PEOPLE LIKE ROMNEY.

 

That's what I hope happens, and that's what I'm gonna be supporting these next few elections.

[ShinyTomato]

The Obamacare is going to hurt many people who have jobs, as they are now cuttiing back full time workers. I do not feel it is right that Obama can force this country to have to take out insurance if they can not afford it.

 

If you can't afford it, it will be provided for you. Period. And the government forces you to have car insurance if you have a car. How is it any different.

 

We are not all equal and never will be, that is just the way it is.

 

That's not a very Christian standpoint to have, considering that the way G-d set up Israel and the apostles set up the church was at the very least socialistic, and at the most, communist.

 

The people that do not need to be on welfare, can get up off their rears and get a job.

 

You can't talk about people cutting jobs and make it sound like getting a job is the easiest thing in the world in the same post, Kat.

[skauble]

Obama has socialist ways then.

 

We are not all equal and never will be, that is just the way it is.

 

I for one do not want to spread my wealth around. It takes everything my husband and I make to pay bills and to do just a few extra's.

 

The people that do not need to be on welfare, can get up off their rears and get a job.

 

The Obamacare is going to hurt many people who have jobs, as they are now cuttiing back full time workers. I do not feel it is right that Obama can force this country to have to take out insurance if they can not afford it.

 

I heard, that Muslems do not have to buy insurance, as that is gambling with their future. Can anyone spread some light on that?

Snopes: Health Insurance Exemptions

 

Factcheck.org: “Dhimmitude” and the Muslim Exemption

 

Just a suggestion, but the conservative need to spread these kind of rumors about Muslims and to continue to pursue the whole Obama is a secret Muslim thing is probably a good place for them to start reevaluating the path to the next election.

 

 

[~Kat~]

Shiny, let me restate that as we are not all equal in the amount of pay we get from the different jobs we choose, sorry about the mislead there.

 

As people, we are all equal.

 

I agree that it would be nice if everyone had health coverage. Some bussiness's just starting can have a hard time. I understand the business owner and the workers both. I just wish there was some other avenue that could be taken to help both.

 

Obama needs to stop sending money to other parts of the world trying to help them then, to help pay down our debt.

Edited November 15, 2012 by ~Kat~

[brairtrainer]

Shiny, let me restate that as we are not all equal in the amount of pay we get from the different jobs we choose, sorry about the mislead there.

 

As people, we are all equal.

 

I agree that it would be nice if everyone had health coverage. Some bussiness's just starting can have a hard time. I understand the business owner and the workers both. I just wish there was some other avenue that could be taken to help both.

 

Obama needs to stop sending money to other parts of the world trying to help them then, to help pay down our debt.

Obama isn't the only president to send money to other parts of the world ~Kat~, and I'd appreciate it if you stop slamming Obama with your republican sheeple retoric. Romney lost, just as McCain did. You don't see me stomping around and calling the winner names or accusing him of being something that he's not because my canidate lost do you?

 

Honestly you respond without seeming to read the links we show you, and keep spouting off the same nonsense cultivated by the republican party in the name of God and money.

 

 

[~Kat~]

I do not care if a republican was the president right now.

 

Our debt needs to be paid down, money needs to stop leaving the USA.