American Politics

[TemperedBreeder]

You'll notice a lot of the signers aren't actually from the state mentioned in the petition.

 

lol, this is turning into a pissing match. I wonder if they'll have to clean these out before they are through.

You're actually right. People from different states are saying "That state should go" to the world. They should go through and only count the signatures that are from that state.

 

Take the Texas one. There are almost to 100,000 signatures, but I see ones from (abbreviated) MO, VA, SC, MI, NC, FL & WA. Heck, Some don't even have a state on them. Still...TX is on a good number of those...so Texas may be legit.

[~Kat~]

Given the consequences last time a group of States seceeded form the Union.... yeah, I'm with you on that. Although, I gotta say, I think the Civil War pretty much means it's never going to happen without there being an *awful* lot more problems in the US than there are currently. Realistically I think the Federal government would have to be almost totally breaking down before States became serious about seceeding.

 

Being an avid student of US history I can't help but wonder how things will go over here in Europe if anyone actually tries to pull out of the EU. There's a lot of sentiment in the UK favouring withdrawal from the EU, and building closer links with the US and/or the Commonwealth Nations. Enough sentiment that there's a growing movement to demand a referendum on the issue. Could be interesting. Unlikely in this day and age to come to all out war, but certainly interesting. (For the record; yes, I am one of the people that would rather see us withdraw from the EU. But that's probably a topic for another thread.)

Thank you for at least even considering this. You are the only one.

 

This could very easily happen, believe it or not.

 

This is so scary. I am 54 years old and I can understand those that voted for Obama, I can also understand those that voted for Romney. I honestly feel if Romney had said he believed in abortions and gay marriage, it would have gone better for him.

 

Another civil war is not out of the question at all. Obama has radically changed things, that a lot of Americans do not agree with.

 

You have to look who mainly voted for him and why.

 

Residents In All 50 States File Petitions To Secede From United States

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/s...26pLid%3D234670

[brairtrainer]

Thank you for at least even considering this. You are the only one.

 

This could very easily happen, believe it or not.

 

This is so scary. I am 54 years old and I can understand those that voted for Obama, I can also understand those that voted for Romney. I honestly feel if Romney had said he believed in abortions and gay marriage, it would have gone better for him.

 

Another civil war is not out of the question at all. Obama has radically changed things, that a lot of Americans do not agree with.

 

You have to look who mainly voted for him and why.

 

Residents In All 50 States File Petitions To Secede From United States

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/s...26pLid%3D234670

Sure but Kat if you read there are people in governers offices and in other places who do not agree, to the point that a popular internet term used for trolls who failed at trolling and through fits is used at the end of the article.

 

So, all these people signing are most likely trolls

[~Kat~]

Sure but Kat if you read there are people in governers offices and in other places who do not agree, to the point that a popular internet term used for trolls who failed at trolling and through fits is used at the end of the article.

 

So, all these people signing are most likely trolls

You have people who agree and not agree.

 

You can and can not say who are trolls, as you really do not know.

 

I have never seen people do this kind of thing since I have been back in the USA 33 years ago and I have been voting in the USA for 33 years. I to, as a lot of you know, do not agree with Obama at all on his politics. I find him a Socialist. I do not want to spread my wealth around as some of you already know.

 

I refuse to get into an argument. What is done is done. Yes, I am not happy, but this is starting to get scary now.

[KageSora]

Before the petitions could be viable as "proof" of the wishes of the people, they'd have to be sure they could trace every signature to make sure it was a different person who was an actual legal resident of that state.

 

You've got people from across the world who are signing them as a joke.

[brairtrainer]

Before the petitions could be viable as "proof" of the wishes of the people, they'd have to be sure they could trace every signature to make sure it was a different person who was an actual legal resident of that state.

 

You've got people from across the world who are signing them as a joke.

Exactly what I was trying to say, earlier and just now. Thank you KageSora

[~Kat~]

Before the petitions could be viable as "proof" of the wishes of the people, they'd have to be sure they could trace every signature to make sure it was a different person who was an actual legal resident of that state.

 

You've got people from across the world who are signing them as a joke.

This may be true.

 

BUT, would it surprize any of you if the USA went to war with each other?

[demonicvampiregirl]

*sighs* Bunch of sore losers if you ask me. They just can't get over the fact they didn't get their way and are behaving like a bunch of children. Let them go if they want to act that childish. Let them defend themselves. Let's see how long it takes before the crawl back realizing the mistake. They think they can do something like that when I highly doubt they will be able to.

[KageSora]

This may be true.

 

BUT, would it surprize any of you if the USA went to war with each other?

No, it wouldn't surprise me. It would sadden me, but it wouldn't surprise me. And it would piss me off because inevitably that would make my life harder because we don't need a civil war. I mean, war is bad enough when it's NOT on our soil--to have a war raging on our land, between our states... I do NOT want to see that.

 

I'm just pointing out that internet petitions are easy targets for trolls, so they'd have their work cut out for them using them as actual proof--they'd be better off going door to door to ask residents what they think so as to avoid people from out of state or country adding in "YEAH LEAVE US" signatures and stuff.

[demonicvampiregirl]

No, it wouldn't surprise me. It would sadden me, but it wouldn't surprise me. And it would piss me off because inevitably that would make my life harder because we don't need a civil war. I mean, war is bad enough when it's NOT on our soil--to have a war raging on our land, between our states... I do NOT want to see that.

 

I'm just pointing out that internet petitions are easy targets for trolls, so they'd have their work cut out for them using them as actual proof--they'd be better off going door to door to ask residents what they think so as to avoid people from out of state or country adding in "YEAH LEAVE US" signatures and stuff.

Yeah. I highly doubt a majority of those are real signatures. Hopefully someone runs through them and checks before they start to believe it all.

[~Kat~]

Like I said, I have been voting for 33years now, as I lived some of my life out of the USA. I have never seen what is being said and done now since Obama has been re-elected.

 

I am hesitant to mention age as some get really upset. It is only age that is the reason you could not vote. But then, it is what age did anyone start paying attention to politics?

 

@ demonicvampiregirl, no, it is not because they are sore loosers.

 

@ KageSora, I hope you are right.

 

 

 

 

[demonicvampiregirl]

@ demonicvampiregirl, no, it is not because they are sore loosers.

Are you kidding me? No one did this under Bush at all (that I heard of) and now it's all over the place and everyone is wanting to because Romney was not elected and Obama was re-elected. Tell me how that is NOT being a sore loser?

[KageSora]

Yeah. I highly doubt a majority of those are real signatures. Hopefully someone runs through them and checks before they start to believe it all.

And even of the real ones, I doubt most of them are absolutely serious about wanting to leave the union.

 

They'd need a lot more than just some internet petitions to actually justify trying anything.

[pudding]

@Kat

 

I'd like to know what nation you've been living in because there have been so many threats of succession since 1980. Here are a few 'big' ones

[LascielsShadow]

Sorry to interrupt, but, uh, this happened:

 

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11/ge...ations-takeover

 

 

 

[demonicvampiregirl]

Sorry to interrupt, but, uh, this happened:

 

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11/ge...ations-takeover

That is so insane I couldn't even make it past the first paragraph. >_< People these days!

 

And even of the real ones, I doubt most of them are absolutely serious about wanting to leave the union.

 

They'd need a lot more than just some internet petitions to actually justify trying anything.

 

Yeah and my dad even just pointed out to me about even out of the real signatures that it is a very low percentage that want to.

[LascielsShadow]

Yeah and my dad even just pointed out to me about even out of the real signatures that it is a very low percentage that want to.

That's the thing I don't get about all of this "O NOES SECESSION" stuff. It shows a somewhat disturbing mindset, but that is such a tiny fraction of people it wouldn't have any sort of real impact.

[~Kat~]

Are you kidding me? No one did this under Bush at all (that I heard of) and now it's all over the place and everyone is wanting to because Romney was not elected and Obama was re-elected. Tell me how that is NOT being a sore loser?

I will not go into it, even if I did, it would do me no good. Been there and done it.

 

Research some history is all I will say.

 

 

~Moved post~

That's the thing I don't get about all of this "O NOES SECESSION" stuff. It shows a somewhat disturbing mindset, but that is such a tiny fraction of people it wouldn't have any sort of real impact.

No, it is not because of a disturbing mindset.

 

~Please use the edit tool, it is unnecessary to double post.~

 

Edited November 15, 2012 by _Z_

[demonicvampiregirl]

I will not go into it, even if I did, it would do me no good. Been there and done it.

 

Research some history is all I will say.

You're not answering me and yet again avoiding it.

 

I asked you how that is not being childish and a sore loser. Do you even know what being a sore loser is?

 

Romney lost, people are throwing a fit over him not being elected as president, they are throwing TANTRUMS, THREATENING to secede, and continuing to whine about it all days later = sore loser.

 

Again how is that not being one? They are having a temper tantrum over Obama being elected. Over the candidate that they chose to win, LOST at the elections.

 

So please explain how they are not being childish, immature, sore losers over an election.

 

 

That's the thing I don't get about all of this "O NOES SECESSION" stuff. It shows a somewhat disturbing mindset, but that is such a tiny fraction of people it wouldn't have any sort of real impact.

 

Yeah it is. I mean come on accept it. You lost this election, grow up and try to better your partys image and act mature so that your party has a better chance next time.

Edited November 15, 2012 by demonicvampiregirl

[~Kat~]

You're not answering me and yet again avoiding it.

 

I asked you how that is not being childish and a sore loser. Do you even know what being a sore loser is?

 

Romney lost, people are throwing a fit over him not being elected as president, they are throwing TANTRUMS, THREATENING to secede, and continuing to whine about it all days later = sore loser.

 

Again how is that not being one? They are having a temper tantrum over Obama being elected. Over the candidate that they chose to win, LOST at the elections.

 

So please explain how they are not being childish, immature, sore losers over an election.

 

 

 

 

Yeah it is. I mean come on accept it. You lost this election, grow up and try to better your partys image and act mature so that your party has a better chance next time.

Ok, Republicans, do not agree with Obama's politics ... I do not either. Obama is more of a Socialist. America is not Socialist nor or they Communist.

[demonicvampiregirl]

Ok, Republicans, do not agree with Obama's politics ... I do not either. Obama is more of a Socialist. America is not Socialist nor or they Communist.

Have you seen some of the countries that are socialist? Aren't they further ahead of of us? Stable economy, more equal rights for all? (I may be totally wrong on this so someone please with the correct info tell me if I am on the right track.)

[LascielsShadow]

Ok, Republicans, do not agree with Obama's politics ... I do not either. Obama is more of a Socialist. America is not Socialist nor or they Communist.

The president is not a Socialist. He's barely a liberal. Wanting to lessen the income disparity in this country and make the top 2% or so of the country's earners pay more in taxes, and making changes to people's access to healthcare does not equal socialism.

[demonicvampiregirl]

The president is not a Socialist. He's barely a liberal. Wanting to lessen the income disparity in this country and make the top 2% or so of the country's earners pay more in taxes, and making changes to people's access to healthcare does not equal socialism.

I fully agree. I don't see what is so bad about that. I really don't. Everyone is so against change if it messes up anything slightly for them in any way. :/

[KageSora]

Communism and Socialism are not the work of the Devil. :|

 

We're not socialist or communist, but the knee-jerk reaction of horror and absolute terror of becoming more socialist or communist just baffles me. At it's core, the idea of communism is not a bad thing. But human nature gets in the way of absolute, pure communism. I'd guess the same for socialism.

 

But neither are inherently horrible, terrible, evil ways of doing things. We can adopt certain elements that resemble them without becoming a communist or socialist nation, y'know...

[LascielsShadow]

Communism and Socialism are not the work of the Devil. :|

 

We're not socialist or communist, but the knee-jerk reaction of horror and absolute terror of becoming more socialist or communist just baffles me. At it's core, the idea of communism is not a bad thing. But human nature gets in the way of absolute, pure communism. I'd guess the same for socialism.

 

But neither are inherently horrible, terrible, evil ways of doing things. We can adopt certain elements that resemble them without becoming a communist or socialist nation, y'know...

This. We can have, say, socialised medicine without becoming entirely socialist. I don't understand the knee-jerk horrified screaming, either. There's a vast difference between changing aspects of government and switching over to a different system entirely.