Small change to Copper's description

[Naruhina_94]

Maybe I'm not the only one who has problems to distinguish colors. Coppers are quite hard for me. The orange and the brown ones have a very similar color, and I would like to be able to distinguish them better without open the wikia and compare the spriters...

The current description is the same for every type of Copper:

Copper Dragons are masters of stealth, slipping silently and swiftly through the forests and jungles where they live. Often hunting in groups, their prey rarely know they are being stalked until the dragon’s at their throat. In the air they are agile and skilled. Copper Dragons prize family groups, spending large amounts of time teaching their young skills. So great is their love of life and family that they will sometimes adopt orphaned dragons of other breeds to raise.

 

If we could slight change it by adding one word it could be usefull for those who still make some confusion, because the solution would be simple clicking the dragon and read the description.

 

Orange Copper Dragons are masters of stealth, slipping silently and swiftly through the forests and jungles where they live. Often hunting in groups, their prey rarely know they are being stalked until the dragon’s at their throat. In the air they are agile and skilled. Copper Dragons prize family groups, spending large amounts of time teaching their young skills. So great is their love of life and family that they will sometimes adopt orphaned dragons of other breeds to raise.

 

Brown Copper Dragons are masters of stealth, slipping silently and swiftly through the forests and jungles where they live. Often hunting in groups, their prey rarely know they are being stalked until the dragon’s at their throat. In the air they are agile and skilled. Copper Dragons prize family groups, spending large amounts of time teaching their young skills. So great is their love of life and family that they will sometimes adopt orphaned dragons of other breeds to raise.

 

Green Copper Dragons are masters of stealth, slipping silently and swiftly through the forests and jungles where they live. Often hunting in groups, their prey rarely know they are being stalked until the dragon’s at their throat. In the air they are agile and skilled. Copper Dragons prize family groups, spending large amounts of time teaching their young skills. So great is their love of life and family that they will sometimes adopt orphaned dragons of other breeds to raise.

 

I prefer to change the description a little bit more than recoloring the sprite. I think they're fine as they are right now.

Edited July 26, 2014 by Naruhina_94

[Ha-Ki]

I like that idea, I also have trouble telling whether a copper is red/orange or brown when I don't see them next to each other...

[Fiona]

I can tell you right now I won't be recoloring the sprites. I like how they turned out.

 

I'm not opposed to adding the color to the descriptions, if TJ is ok with it. However, I would use their official color names, not the ones the users here have adopted. The orange/red ones are rainbow coppers, the brown are liver of sulfur and the green ones are verdigris.

 

Unless you're color blind and can't see the differencde, the easiest way to tell the rainbows from the liver of sulfur is to look for the bluish colors on the male's side and female's arm. If they have it that means they are rainbows.

[pinkgothic]

That sounds like a nice idea - though I'd be in favour of the terms verdigris ("green"), liver of sulfur ("brown") and rainbow ("orange"), which I think are the official ones?

 

Obviously official channels would be a better source for this one. I might have gotten confused at some point. I just definitely wanted to throw the terms in here for the time beng.

 

...okay, that was an epic ninja. *sneaks away again*

 

(Edit II: I guess I shouldn't strike out the part where I agree with the thread. )

Edited July 26, 2014 by pinkgothic

[Rosedamai]

Personally I don't see the need for this because if they are CB I can just look at where they were caught, and if they are not I can just look at their parents.

 

I like the fact that they have the same descriptions because it adds a cohesiveness to the species overall. They're just differently colored, not different breeds. And personally don't have difficulties telling them apart.

 

ETA: I should clarify that I don't think that different color morphs should have different descriptions, different descriptions are for different breeds. For example, the bronze, silver, and gold tinsels/shimmerscales have the same descriptions.

Edited July 26, 2014 by ylangylang

[Fuzzbucket]

Personally I don't see the need for this because if they are CB I can just look at where they were caught, and if they are not I can just look at their parents.

 

I like the fact that they have the same descriptions because it adds a cohesiveness to the species overall. They're just differently colored, not different breeds. And personally don't have difficulties telling them apart.

 

ETA: I should clarify that I don't think that different color morphs should have different descriptions, different descriptions are for different breeds. For example, the bronze, silver, and gold tinsels/shimmerscales have the same descriptions.

I'd agree with ylang ylang. You could always NAME them in a way that tells you.

[Naruhina_94]

That sounds like a nice idea - though I'd be in favour of the terms verdigris ("green"), liver of sulfur ("brown") and rainbow ("orange"), which I think are the official ones?

 

Obviously official channels would be a better source for this one. I might have gotten confused at some point. I just definitely wanted to throw the terms in here for the time beng.

 

...okay, that was an epic ninja. *sneaks away again*

 

(Edit II: I guess I shouldn't strike out the part where I agree with the thread. )

Maybe it could be implemented on the encyclopedia, I didn't know the original names, I like them, thanks Fiona

I don't know how it exactly works, but maybe will be the Encyclopedia who tell us info about each dragon, and so copper colors would be natural to see.

I'm not colorblind, but I have glasses and I miss many diopters. I've also recently changed my PC, and this one has different colors resolution than the old one, so it is a little difficult for me. Anyway there are colorblind person on this game that could have even more problems with copper (However I cannot be sure of this).

 

The only spriters that I always confuse are female sulfur and female rainbow, and I agree with you Fiona: as I've already said I don't want to see them re-colored, they're great in this way with these shadows.

 

I'd agree with ylang ylang. You could always NAME them in a way that tells you.

I don't ike to be forced to name my dragons in a specific way. I have to do it with CBs because it isn't showed on the main page of the scroll and it's enough.

Edited July 26, 2014 by Naruhina_94

[Rosedamai]

Again, you can just check the location where they were caught.

 

If you are going to change their descriptions it means that you have to click on the dragon itself to see what color it is. And I think it's much less of a hassle to look at the location rather than changing the entire description as both actions (looking at the location or looking at the description) require clicking on the dragon anyways.

Edited July 26, 2014 by ylangylang

[Naruhina_94]

Again, you can just check the location where they were caught.

 

If you are going to change their descriptions it means that you have to click on the dragon itself to see what color it is. And I think it's much less of a hassle to look at the location rather than changing the entire description as both actions (looking at the location or looking at the description) require clicking on the dragon anyways.

mh.. you're right, I didn't thought about it. thanks for the suggestion.

[Obscure_Trash]

(Location is less of a hassle if you have memorized where each color is found, lol. As someone who hasn't been able to catch any of her own coppers and had to be gifted, I've no memory of which is where. -EDIT: Oooh, I lied. I happened to be in whatever the correct biome was once and caught a brown copper.- Also, I can never catch anything rarer in cave, so I've pretty much completely given up on cave hunting - I can usually find whatever cb I'm looking for in the AP anyway, so when I do go cave hunting, there are very few dragons I remember where they are. We have a lot of dragons to remember biomes for! A lot. Although I will note that I can tell the colors apart fairly well.)

 

I really like the idea of sharing the official colors on site, though. I think it'd be cool to know. Perhaps that can be in the encyclopedia (if not already) if it doesn't go in the descriptions?

 

But anyway, I do support. This doesn't change the descriptions, just enhances them a bit by helping out those who are going to have to 'research' anyway. Also, maybe it will teach some people some new words. =o (Sorry, I like vocabulary.)

Edited July 26, 2014 by SockPuppet Strangler

[danicast]

I support, I have short sight and terrible difficulties to tell the orange and brown apart.

[cyradis4]

Bred Coppers don't *have* a biom location, so how can you check their location?

 

Just saying!

 

Having said that.... I'd say, its a good idea. I have excellent vision and can tell them appart 99% of the time, but even I sometimes have to do a double or triple take. I think having something written for those whose vision (or monitors! don't forget monitors vary widely) aren't the greatest is a great idea.

 

Cheers!

C4.

[olympe]

Bred Coppers don't *have* a biom location, so how can you check their location?

 

Just saying!

 

Having said that.... I'd say, its a good idea. I have excellent vision and can tell them appart 99% of the time, but even I sometimes have to do a double or triple take. I think having something written for those whose vision (or monitors! don't forget monitors vary widely) aren't the greatest is a great idea.

 

Cheers!

C4.

Plus, to make things worse - if you breed a copper with a non-CB dragon, things get really messy.

 

However, I find coppers very easy to distinguish, but then, I don't have any problems with color vision. *shrugs*

[Ashes The Second]

I would like this, if not to add something to the canon of them, and to know their names, because I had no idea they were called that to begin with. It'd be useful, and no one was implying they would be recolored -- it was stated clearly that it would be the description.

[edwardelricfreak]

Personally I don't see the need for this because if they are CB I can just look at where they were caught, and if they are not I can just look at their parents.

 

I like the fact that they have the same descriptions because it adds a cohesiveness to the species overall. They're just differently colored, not different breeds. And personally don't have difficulties telling them apart.

 

ETA: I should clarify that I don't think that different color morphs should have different descriptions, different descriptions are for different breeds. For example, the bronze, silver, and gold tinsels/shimmerscales have the same descriptions.

That works for you, but not everyone.

 

No, they aren't different breeds, but personally I think it would still be nice to have clarification about their color in the descriptions. I really like the official names, but they aren't used anywhere officially that's currently available to the public (they might be in the Encyclopedia, but I don't know because I wasn't a beta tester). Also, even if they are in the 'pedia, that still doesn't help the people who have a hard time distinguishing the livers and rainbows apart. Personally I have no trouble at all telling the two apart, even when not side by side, but I am not everyone.

 

Also, I think it would be alright for certain dragons like tinsels and shimmers to have it clarified in their descriptions that they are a certain color. They aren't like normal color morphs like Dorsals or Ridgewings; they can only breed their color, unlike the others which can breed any of the color morphs. Coppers do operate in a different way, but I think they're closer to Tinsels and Shimmers in terms of how separate they are than Dorsals/Ridgewings/Nebulae.

[Naruhina_94]

Thanks for the support! Since some people seem interested on this suggestion I would like to add a poll to let them vote what do they think is better.

Personally I don't see this small change as a problem for those who don't need it, but just something usefull for those who do.

Edited July 29, 2014 by Naruhina_94

[irercha]

I'm one of those who'd find this really useful. I have problems with brown and orange coppers (both males and females) unless they are side by side and always forget which colors come from which biomes (both coppers themselves or their mates). Sure, I can check it in the wiki, but introducing their color in description would make whole process quicker (or just shorten it to only one step )

Edited July 29, 2014 by irercha

[Ruby Eyes]

I only know where the green ones drop (Coast and Jungle), but THOSE I have no trouble telling them apart - it's the other two that give me issues adults and eggs alike.

 

Um, "liver" as in, the inner organ? or "liver" like "someone who lives?"

[Fuzzbucket]

Thanks for the support! Since some people seem interested on this suggestion I would like to add a poll to let them vote what do they think is better.

Personally I don't see this small change as a problem for those who don't need it, but just something usefull for those who do.

AFAIK polls are no longer allowed in suggestions.

 

TJ posted ages ago that he doesn't find the results of forum polls helpful; he prefers to read threads and weigh up the arguments put forward - and many here have said that they don't vote, as if they change their minds they cannot change their votes. Also the number of players who read these threads is not representative of the player body, TJ said.

 

I don't care one way or the other, and have no trouble telling them apart - but am fine if it happens.

[Obscure_Trash]

Um, "liver" as in, the inner organ? or "liver" like "someone who lives?"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_of_sulfur :3

[InvisiblePeace]

For me personally, I don't have difficulties telling them apart, but I do find it helpful having their real colour name in the description. The same applies to shimmers, Tinsels, etc... I mean it doesn't hurt anyone, does it? It's helpful for those who have difficulties telling the colours apart and it's helpful for the description as since it gives a little bit more of a... well, a description

 

I highly approve of this <3 *thumbs up of approval*