American Politics

[SpaceShuttleFan]

So you'd rather have someone who is going to go back to the same Bush policies that got us into this mess in the first place?

The Bush blaming strikes again! Seems like all of this nation's problems aren't Obama's fault, they're Bush's problems.

 

About the 50,000 dollar dinner thing... It sounds cruel, but it's correct. These people want Obama to stay in office so they can continue to ride on the unemployment benefits and Obamacare and Planned Parenthood and all of those things that are paid for by people who worked hard to get the wealth they have. They're essentially being forced to pay for the lives of people who are just riding the benefit stream.

Edited November 7, 2012 by SpaceShuttleFan

[Vhale]

Elizabeth Warren is winning so far <3

Of all the candidates out there, I'm interested in this one due to her work on the Consumer Protection Bureau. I hope she gets in and has great success. Someone needs to hold the big companies accountable for what they pull.

[demonicvampiregirl]

The Bush blaming strikes again! Seems like all of this nation's problems aren't Obama's fault, they're Bush's problems.

How can Obama be BLAMED for something Bush STARTED?

 

How can you honestly say it's Obamas fault for what he got handed by a previous president?

 

Quoting from the last article:

'In another secretly filmed video clip, Mr Romney claimed there was no point trying to appeal to Democratic voters because they were ‘freeloaders who don’t pay taxes’.

 

‘There are 47 per cent who are with Barack Obama, who are dependent upon government, who believe they are victims,’ he said.

 

‘These are people who pay no income tax. My job is not to worry about those people.’

 

I don't know about you, but I'd feel pretty worried if a man who outright stated that he didn't care about a majority of the country he's supposed to be representing got in.

 

Without that help my father got we wouldn't be living in this house currently. My dad retired to have his leg removed so he could go back to work I at a later date (i think that was the plan) but not a single person wanted to remove his leg at all. He use to walk with only one cane now he's up to two because no one wants to take that leg off.

 

He couldn't work anymore, they got us on Medicade and all that stuff and it took him two tries to get on SSI. The only thing that helped was my mom getting a new job and borrowing from my grandparents. If it wasn't for that we'd have lost the house. So right there he just proved he didn't give a crap about my family period. That is not a president in my eyes.

Edited November 7, 2012 by demonicvampiregirl

[skauble]

I'm not sure why people think that the economy should have recovered by now, but this is a pretty good look at the process of recovery in other comparable US financial meltdowns: Sorry, U.S. Recoveries Really Aren’t Different

 

Also, the fact is that the economy actually is getting better. Is it slowly? Yes. But even the .1% rise in unemployment last month is being widely hailed as a positive sign because it was caused people re-entering the workforce, which is generally a sign of improving confidence in the economy.

 

In fact, a lot of economists have pointed to the obstructionist problems with Congress as a big part of why there's so much business uncertainty. They say that if the fiscal cliff issue gets settled, then you'll most likely see a brisk upturn in the recovery.

 

Frankly, part of the reason that this election has been so crucial to both sides was because it's being seen by many as an "8 year" election. Meaning that because, despite all of the campaigning, everyone's aware that the recovery is picking up, the person who won was going to be able to catch that wave. Parties that are in power for the recovery tend to stay a while, and they both wanted to be that party.

[SpaceShuttleFan]

How can Obama be BLAMED for something Bush STARTED?

 

How can you honestly say it's Obamas fault for what he got handed by a previous president?

The reason he can be blamed for it is that he had a chance to fix it, or at least get us on the road to recovery. He didn't in his first term, and I highly doubt he will in his second.

[demonicvampiregirl]

The reason he can be blamed for it is that he had a chance to fix it, or at least get us on the road to recovery. He didn't in his first term, and I highly doubt he will in his second.

You haven't been paying any bit of attention to the last couple posts that actually have proven these statements wrong have you? :/ There is even a link back a page for you to see.

 

He has got us started. Slowly but it has happened.

[Haloclimb]

How can Obama be BLAMED for something Bush STARTED?

 

How can you honestly say it's Obamas fault for what he got handed by a previous president?

 

 

 

Without that help my father got we wouldn't be living in this house currently. My dad retired to have his leg removed so he could go back to work I at a later date (i think that was the plan) but not a single person wanted to remove his leg at all. He use to walk with only one cane now he's up to two because no one wants to take that leg off.

 

He couldn't work anymore, they got us on Medicade and all that stuff and it took him two tries to get on SSI. The only thing that helped was my mom getting a new job and borrowing from my grandparents. If it wasn't for that we'd have lost the house. So right there he just proved he didn't give a crap about my family period. That is not a president in my eyes.

What makes me the maddest is that his father and his family got their start in america BECAUSE OF WELFARE MONEY. When his fathers family fled Mexico (I also love that Romney almost never mention that his parents were born in mexico) they were given a refugee relief fund to help them settle in america.

His hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[SpaceShuttleFan]

You haven't been paying any bit of attention to the last couple posts that actually have proven these statements wrong have you? :/ There is even a link back a page for you to see.

 

He has got us started. Slowly but it has happened.

I looked at the links. I thought they were correct. And the road we are on isn't one to recovery. Just because the unemployment rate went down by .5% doesn't mean it'll stay that way. That happened many times during Obama's first term. I don't get why people are hailing a small decrease in the jobless numbers as our way out of the jobs crisis. I'll regret my decision to support Romney when Obama can get the jobless rate down to below 6% and keep it there.

[pudding]

Any little bit is helpful. What if that .5% was one of your friends? Wouldn't you feel like that made a difference? Also, I find it so ironic when I pass by McDonalds and Burger Kings with 'Help Wanted' signs up. I've seen so many...

Also, something Bush failed to do and something left for so many years was the issue of Osama Bin Laden. He got us on the road to recovery (which, is in fact, a very long road and will take some time to reach the end) and managed to kill the man responsible for the Twin Tower Bombings. In the period of four short years. Four years isn't that much time. It took us more than ten years and a war to get out of the Great Depression.

 

And, because I'm starting to feel things getting a bit tense:

[SpaceShuttleFan]

(I also love that Romney almost never mention that his parents were born in mexico)

I also love that Obama never mentions that his father was from Kenya.

[Haloclimb]

The reason he can be blamed for it is that he had a chance to fix it, or at least get us on the road to recovery. He didn't in his first term, and I highly doubt he will in his second.

I think it's pretty hilarious that you think a massive, worldwide economic recession can instantly be erased in a few years.

I would have thought that you guys would be happy your not in a COUNTRY WIDE ECONOMIC MELTDOWN like Greece, Spain and countless other countries. I'm simply amazed by the fact that Obama managed to keep america above water at all, let alone actually start the slow progress of recovery.

 

 

I also love that Obama never mentions that his father was from Kenya.

 

But he has.

Edited November 7, 2012 by Haloclimb

[hazeh]

I also love that Obama never mentions that his father was from Kenya.

I think everyone acknowledges that his father was from Kenya, even the President. But that doesn't mean Obama is from Kenya.

[SpaceShuttleFan]

Any little bit is helpful. What if that .5% was one of your friends? Wouldn't you feel like that made a difference? Also, I find it so ironic when I pass by McDonalds and Burger Kings with 'Help Wanted' signs up. I've seen so many...

Also, something Bush failed to do and something left for so many years was the issue of Osama Bin Laden. He got us on the road to recovery (which, is in fact, a very long road and will take some time to reach the end) and managed to kill the man responsible for the Twin Tower Bombings. In the period of four short years. Four years isn't that much time. It took us more than ten years and a war to get out of the Great Depression.

 

And, because I'm starting to feel things getting a bit tense:

I also find it ironic passing by fast-food chains that have Help Wanted signs up. If a McDonald's can't get workers, then the economy is really messed up. And Obama is not the one responsible for killing bin Laden. It's awesome that he was killed, but he was killed by SEAL Team Six. Standing and watching him get killed is not killing him. The search for bin Laden started the day the Twin Towers fell. It just happened to be in Obama's term when they caught and killed him.

[demonicvampiregirl]

I also find it ironic passing by fast-food chains that have Help Wanted signs up. If a McDonald's can't get workers, then the economy is really messed up. And Obama is not the one responsible for killing bin Laden. It's awesome that he was killed, but he was killed by SEAL Team Six. Standing and watching him get killed is not killing him. The search for bin Laden started the day the Twin Towers fell. It just happened to be in Obama's term when they caught and killed him.

I personally believe that Bush knew exactly where Osama was and just didn't do anything. The war he started kept him in office is the only thing that I think kept him in.

[pudding]

As the Commander-in-chief of the United States Army, Obama had quite a bit to do with it. It wouldn't have happened without his involvement. He could have chosen not to pursue Bin Laden further and focus on other issues but he continued pushing at it and gave the final order for the men to go ahead. That's like saying the people who come up with the plays of attack in war aren't involved because they sat back and watched. Everyone plays a part and, since it was his order, he gets the credit. What about Abraham Lincoln? No one says he had nothing to do with the civil war even though he was president at the time.

[SpaceShuttleFan]

I think it's pretty hilarious that you think a massive, worldwide economic recession can instantly be erased in a few years.

I would have thought that you guys would be happy your not in a COUNTRY WIDE ECONOMIC MELTDOWN like Greece, Spain and countless other countries. I'm simply amazed by the fact that Obama managed to keep america above water at all, let alone actually start the slow progress of recovery.

 

 

 

But he has.

Yes, recessions can't be erased in a few years. But what can a President do? He can try his hardest to turn it around as fast as possible. It may be 10 years vs. 20. I just haven't seen Obama truly trying. He's just tossing expensive stimulus packages out and hoping they work. Greece and Spain could be what the US looks like in a few years if things keep going like this.

 

I don't recall Obama ever stating that his father was from Kenya. The Obama speech that I really remember was the one where he said that small business owners weren't responsible for their success. That was sickening.

 

 

Another quick note on Bin Laden: The military hunted him for years. In fact, I'm surprised that they had funding to pull it off, with the trickles of money Obama is giving to the defense program.

Edited November 7, 2012 by SpaceShuttleFan

[Red2111]

(i'm able to use opera at home, but not at work. so my posts are better at home, but i rarely get on at home.)

 

as for why am i joining in only now, i've lurked in this forum but saw how liberal you lot are. i debate on another forum a lot that is less polarized. having grown up as a conservative in a liberal state, i know the value of just keeping my mouth shut when your outnumbered lmao

 

tbh, i just couldn't stand all the Obama praise i was seeing when the guy is no different from Bush or Romney, just further left and more ideologically extreme. he's not the answer, and neither was Romeny. but atleast the Ronmey train to destruction was slower thus giving us a chance to slow down. Obamas a bullet train, and he's goignto be worse this next 4 years than he was the past four years.

 

unemployement will go back up, more jobs will leave the market (which is the only reason unemployment dropped btw) and taxes are set to go up across the board drastically for all income gaps next fiscal year. he's gonna let the entire bush tax cut expire, and the healthcare tax on families will now take effect.

 

go ahead and celebrate now while you can, cause the next 4 years are gonna have very little to celebrate about. especially once he passes the carbon tax.

 

 

 

Getting oil here would ruin our environment more than it already is, and oil is also a fossil fuel and is limited. Several countries in Europe actually have big successful green energy plants. We need to follow along, ad sevral windmills per town, give tax breaks for personal solar pannels and we'll be well on our way to energy independence

 

prove the oil from canada will destroy our environment. the problem with the keystone Pipeline isn't the oil, its the steel used for the pipes. they need a stronger grade, because the oil their transporting is more corrosive than normal oil.

 

also, look at whose making the pipe line ... CHINA. this issue is easy to solve. require the section of the pipeline that runs through America to be American made steel. 2 birds with one stone. safer pipeline that will withstand and more american jobs.

 

 

also, Solar and wind are not self sufficient or a one size firs all. both need petro back ups, especially the turbines which need the petro based lubricant and heaters int eh colder climates. you've also got the environmental nutjobs complaining about the wind turbines and solar panels disrupting migration patterns in birds, and people dont want wind turbines in their back yards cause their noisy and take up of room. plus, these solutions wont work in all areas.

[Kestra15]

The world is safe for another four years.

[Vhale]

In other news, Colorado just legalized Marijuana. I wonder how that will pan out.

 

 

and speaking of LOLcats type posts, fair warning, not so nice language and some crude humor at fark.

 

Fark Thread

 

[pudding]

http://www.policymic.com/articles/7788/osa...gop-says/127149

 

Found an article. You know, these really help convey points.

 

And the point about wind and solar is to use it where it works. Solar would be great in California where there is a lot of sun and wind would be great in Florida where it can get extremely windy. Iceland, for example, uses Geothermal energy because that is what works for them. Don't put a wind turbine where it won't work. And, even if they are really expensive, it is all about lessening the horrid affects burning coal has on the environment by not burning as much. And, for that matter, it is much cheaper to make a solar panel than buy one. That's what I am doing. It's quite fun.

[~Kat~]

Obama is not MY PRESIDENT PERIOD, never has been,

 

The USA as you know it now, will not be the same. Socialism and Communism will be your destiny.

 

So glad the rest of you are happy.

 

Congratulations,

 

Congrats to all of you that wanted Marijuana Legalized, watch crime and all that goes along with it come true and be your nightmare.

 

Hope you have enough fire arms to keep you safe,

 

Ignorance is BLISS, just my personal opinon, I do hope I am wrong.

 

 

[Red2111]

oh yes Pudding, because Co2 is by far the worst green house gas on this planet

 

give me a break. the earth was on a warming cycle. the north poll is melting, yes (as per normal Earth trends if core data can be believed) but there are reports that the South Pole is increasing in size. they've even uncovered middle aged farms from the Midevil warming era. humans maybe helping along the warming trend, but we are in no means causing it.

 

you want to focus on a bad gas, try methane and Sulfur. Carbon is a pansey compared to those big guns.

 

 

 

also, speaking of geothermal, did you know the minning of geohermal gasses in the mid west is linked to increase tremor activity in those regions http://www.scientificamerican.com/article....ing-earthquakes

 

so that brings alogn its own worries, especially with the Yellowstone Caldera *shudders* i do not want to see that thing blow in my lifetime tyvm.

 

wind and solar as they are now, are not economically viable as replacements in our society. you say model after Europe, last i checked Spain almost went bankrupt from green energy and a lot of those countries are going away from it because they can't float it financially. its no different here in the USA.

 

our economy is first, if green energy is going to hurt our economy, take away jobs and increase prices, then we dont need to do that right now. we're too near a depression as i is and our currency is already weak enough. you have to have priorities, and getting our nation out from treading water economically is more important that green energy and saving polar bears.

 

 

No. He advocates putting Constitutional amendments into place that restrict average-day American citizens from accessing benefits and rights that they are legally obligated to have. Romney said himself that he didn't believe gays "actually had families". His own words. At least Obama has been an active proponent of Gay marriage and rights, and yeah, he's actually done some awesome stuff in regards to them.

 

And actually, yes, if Romney got into office he could potentially get Roe v. Wade overturned. How? Because he could appoint highly conservative Republicans to the Supreme Court who would be more than happy to mess with it. That is NOT OKAY.

you do realize only Congress has the authority to ratify the constitution right? he can push for it all he wants, but he has to get it passed the House and Senate which wont happen even if both were Republican held. voters wont let it happen.

 

 

and proponent of gay marriage! do you research man befor eyou go spouting off on that. from your beloved CNN

 

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/is...exmarriage.html

 

DEMOCRATS

Barack Obama

Opposes same-sex marriage, but also opposes a constitutional ban. Says he would repeal the Defense of Marriage Act and voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment. As stated on the Obama campaign Web site, he supports full civil unions that "give same-sex couples equal legal rights and privileges as married couples, including the right to assist their loved ones in times of emergency as well as equal health insurance, employment benefits, and property and adoption rights."

 

Says the Employment Non-Discrimination Act should be expanded to include sexual orientation and gender identity. Advocated legislation that sought to expand federal hate crimes law to include sexual orientation and gender identity.

 

Says the military's "Don't ask, don't tell" policy needs to be repealed.

 

 

he personally opposed it in 08, but "evolved" (actually flip flopped) his stance once his VP put him on the spot this year during election

 

the only thing he did was repeal Dont Ask Dont Tell and he did so by holding the Troops pay HOSTAGE. yeah so much for not going the usual washington politics route eh?

 

and btw, DADT didn't go far enough. all it did was prevent them from asking, it did nothign abotut he code in the MJC which allowed for the military to kick a person out for homosexual behavior. if anything. Clinton passed the wrong thing in the 90's. repealing DADT now allows them to ask out right, and still does nothing about the MJCs law regarding homosexuals being kicked out.

 

again, do you research.

 

 

 

and yeah, he'd be appointing Right wing justices. but first you have to get a case brought up to them to challenge Roe vs Wade, theres not many of those and the current sitting judges (including the conservative ones) show no interest in focusing on those. better a conservative leaning justice than a political activist like Sodaminor(sp).

 

nope now we have to worry about more liberal activist judges being put in place that will attack out 1st, 2nd and 4th amendment rights even more.

 

 

I can understand how you feel in a way. Mines more religion based than political. I can't tell them I don't believe in god or anything like that without any fear of what my mom may do to me. My dad on the other hand I have no clue he doesn't speak about any form of religion unless asked.

 

Anyway so far they are saying Obama has won. Thank god.

i'm sorry to hear that. i know what you mean about religion though. i'm agnostic leaning naturalist/Buddhist. but my fiancées family are southern baptist and my mom is Christian.

 

i'm forced, well more dragged, to church about 5 days every year and grit my teeth the entire time. i wear a pentagram ring (its my sign, its for protection, and numerous other things it repersents).

 

i look forward to the day a christain calls me a satanist just so i can point out in the midevil era christains wore that symbol to represent the 5 wounds of christ

 

The funny part is that Romney is winning the popular vote. King of the South. lol

you do realize that the south has mid-population and its really the western and eastern seaboards that hold most of the US population correct.

[pudding]

What's wrong with Communism? Marxism is actually quite good, at its core. The classless system makes society want to work together instead of individuals striving for their own needs. Socialism also isn't bad. Look at Canada. Name one thing Canada has done wrong. Whatever it is isn't nearly as bad as what we've done.

[~Kat~]

I hope you all have fun watching the US crumble. You'd better start learning Chinese.

Amen, and thank you.

 

I totally AGREE with you.

[pudding]

Gonna use this as a sarcastic clapping image. Just because we already shot down the idea the US is going to suddenly collapse and China will take over.

You know, if we do crumble the result would be more akin to the USSR's collapse. China would not suddenly take over and we would not have to suddenly learn Chinese. In fact, many Chinese people know English. So do most European people. Saying that makes no sense. However, if you do manage to find some facts supporting it, I would love to see them.

 

Also, why China? I think it would be more likely for a nation closer to us to try to swoop in. They are an ocean away and it wouldn't work out too well to try and take us over. We're too large.

 

Edit: 10,000,000 are fluent English speakers in China.

Edited November 7, 2012 by pudding