American Politics

[philpot123]

I never said you was so don't put any words into my mouth. Sorry I misunderstood. :/ No reason to go off and say I'm calling you ignorant. Never appeared in my posts so unless it is their do not assume I have said it.

 

 

 

I agree with that but ylangylangs post covers it all.

I'm sorry, tone doesn't convey well over the internet when I said I'm not as ignorant as I appear, it was entirely something I was saying, not that I was saying that's what you meant. I have a particular self-deprecating sense of humor that's hard to get used to I suppose. Apologies all over so, to sum up, I think income tax is stupid, I think GRADUATED income tax such that making more penalizes you is even more stupid, and I advocate alternative systems of taxation. And Donald Trump is a dick. That's about it...

 

 

Why do you people believe Trump anyway? He's just a businessperson. Running a business and running a government is entirely different imo.

 

General knowledge of how an economy works and what's practical/not applies to both... There's a lot of similarities actually.

Edited September 5, 2012 by philpot123

[demonicvampiregirl]

I'm sorry, tone doesn't convey well over the internet when I said I'm not as ignorant as I appear, it was entirely something I was saying, not that I was saying that's what you meant. I have a particular self-deprecating sense of humor that's hard to get used to I suppose. Apologies all over so, to sum up, I think income tax is stupid, I think GRADUATED income tax such that making more penalizes you is even more stupid, and I advocate alternative systems of taxation. And Donald Trump is a dick. That's about it...

 

 

 

 

General knowledge of how an economy works and what's practical/not applies to both... There's a lot of similarities actually.

Okay! -lol- It is true tone doesn't show up very well on the net.

 

While there is similarities you can't believe many people who have a ton of money in my opinion. Cuz anything that is going to harm how they get that money they are always going to be against even if it helps others over all. So in turn they will say things like that.

 

Ugh I wish I was awake more I can't think properly. >_< Sorry if that makes little to no since.

[LascielsShadow]

What happened to the lands? Were they utterly and completely sold? Or has it been postponed?

Sorry to interrupt the conversation, but I realised I forgot to answer this. It seems that the sale was cancelled and an agreement has been reached. The land will be transferred to the Sioux. (As it should be.)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/03/1...ising-continues

[Rosedamai]

General knowledge of how an economy works and what's practical/not applies to both... There's a lot of similarities actually.

I think not. Here's the reasons-

 

First, a business is a business, and its primary concern is to make profits. However, a government's focus isn't to make profits-that is just one of the concerns. Just in the realm of economic concerns alone, there are other concerns such as welfare. A government has to engage in behaviors that may result in losses, but which benefit the country as a whole. For example, the education system, the military, and the police force can cost the government-but they have to keep on supporting it. Not to mention that what can be good for the business can be deadly for the citizens as a whole. That aside, a government has other concerns and issues that may be detrimental to businesses-for example, environmental concerns, the rights of minority groups, justice, crime, diplomatic issues, and so forth. Businesses do not have to deal with such large interest groups within their venture alone. Can you imagine this scenario? "Oh boss, I can't do this paperwork, it's against my religion." Won't happen in a corporation. Of course a good grasp on economics is a necessity, and a good grasp of what's practical or not, but that's not the only thing that should be on a government's concern list.

 

Secondly, a government runs on taxes, and thus it does not belong to any one owner or a group of owners, but to everyone who pays taxes. For example, a business can fire workers. A government cannot fire a citizen. That's just one huge difference. Thus the leader of a government cannot have the same mindset as a businessperson-to a businessperson, a worker is disposable provided that there are others who have similar working capacities, even more so after globalization, when you can just outsource. However, a citizen is never disposable and their rights and concerns should be acknowledged, rather than dismissed.

 

Next, the government has to deal with cultural and historical issues as well. This is something that businesspeople don't have to deal with. For example, Koreans have hostile feelings against the Japanese for historical reasons. Does that mean that Korean businesses cannot merge with Japanese businesses? Of course not. We have an extensive network of trade. However, if a politician did something akin to that, he'd be literally torn apart.

 

Not to mention, the personal beliefs of a corporate boss does not have an effect on how the rest of the employees live their lives. For example, just because Trump is a birther doesn't mean that he can force everyone under his corporation to be a birther-he doesn't have that ability nor the channels to do so. However, governments can influence their citizens to think and live in a certain way through laws, institutions, propaganda, media outlets, education, and such. It has a direct impact on how we live. For example, philpot, when you made the gun control topic, I suggested that one of the reasons why another nation doesn't really feel a need for guns could be due to differences in housing. What are housing regulations built on? Laws. The small difference in housing laws between the U.S and Korea resulted in a huge difference in their view towards guns. Another example can be the discrepancy between N.Korea and S.Korea. The governments in those two countries have very different beliefs about how the country should be run-resulting in an almost two alien countries although we started out with the same people. Of course there are discrepancies between businesses and corporations-for example, I would think that game developers have a very different lifestyle from, say, manual workers- but it's nowhere the same level of difference between two countries with vastly different rules and institutions.

 

There are other very important differences, but these are just the stuff I can think of on the top of my head for now.

 

Sorry to interrupt the conversation, but I realised I forgot to answer this. It seems that the sale was cancelled and an agreement has been reached. The land will be transferred to the Sioux. (As it should be.)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/03/1...ising-continues

That is awesome One of the best news I've heard all day. Edited September 5, 2012 by ylangylang

[philpot123]

I think not. Sorry.

 

First, a business is a business, and its primary concern is to make profits. However, a government's focus isn't to make profits-that is just one of the concerns. Just in the realm of economic concerns alone, there are other concerns such as welfare. A government has to engage in behaviors that may result in losses, but which benefit the country as a whole. For example, the education system, the military, and the police force can cost the government-but they have to keep on supporting it. Not to mention that what can be good for the business can be deadly for the citizens as a whole. That aside, a government has other concerns and issues that may be detrimental to businesses-for example, environmental concerns, the rights of minority groups, justice, crime, diplomatic issues, and so forth. Businesses do not have to deal with such large interest groups within their venture alone. Can you imagine this scenario? "Oh boss, I can't do this paperwork, it's against my religion." Won't happen in a corporation.

 

Secondly, a government runs on taxes, and thus it does not belong to any one owner or a group of owners, but to everyone who pays taxes. For example, a business can fire workers. A government cannot fire a citizen. That's just one huge difference. Thus the leader of a government cannot have the same mindset as a businessperson-to a businessperson, a worker is disposable provided that there are others who have similar working capacities, even more so after globalization, when you can just outsource. However, a citizen is never disposable and their rights and concerns should be acknowledged, rather than dismissed.

 

Next, the government has to deal with cultural and historical issues as well. This is something that businesspeople don't have to deal with. For example, Koreans have hostile feelings against the Japanese for historical reasons. Does that mean that Korean businesses cannot merge with Japanese businesses? Of course not. We have an extensive network of trade. However, if a politician did something akin to that, he'd be literally torn apart.

 

There are other very important differences, but these are just the stuff I can think of on the top of my head for now.

 

That is awesome One of the best news I've heard all day.

I didn't say they were identical, I said there were lots of similarities.

 

 

The government engages in things that operate at a cost because there is a perceived benefit, EXACTLY the same as a business. We fund a military because it is understood that having a military is kind of a smart thing, you know, in case we ever need one. We have government- funded poor-excuse-for-education because we anticipate that educating the masses will result in a more productive society, similar to how a business will pay to train an employee because it is anticipated that the employee will end up being productive and earning the company more than was invested. Businesses have to work within the parameters of environmental concerns, and often a company's reputation hinges on whether or not they can be considered "green," at least in today's market. Businesses deal with the rights of minority groups all the time. That sort of stuff happens in the hiring process.

 

Many businesses belong not to any one owner or a group of owners but to many thousands of shareholders. You can own a piece of a business too! I do.

 

The government hires employees that it can fire at will.

 

 

 

As to historical and social issues, again, I didn't say "running a business is EXACTLY like running a country guys, Billy Bob Joe the ice cream shop owner would be the PERFECT president." I said there are SIMILARITIES.

 

sim·i·lar·i·ty   [sim-uh-lar-i-tee]

noun, plural sim·i·lar·i·ties.

1.

the state of being similar; likeness; resemblance.

2.

an aspect, trait, or feature like or resembling another or another's: a similarity of diction.

 

 

Certain aspects of business certainly fall under that definition. So, in response to your opening statement... I think so. Sorry.

 

My end point was that having practical economic experience is beneficial in any area of life. It doesn't matter where that experience was gained, it can be beneficial to policy making if you understand how the private sector functions, what motivates business owners, what causes changes in the market, and what ACTUALLY stimulates the job market.

Edited September 5, 2012 by philpot123

[Rosedamai]

The government engages in things that operate at a cost because there is a perceived benefit, EXACTLY the same as a business.

Nope. For example- the French had to get rid of their Ancient Regime. There are plenty of other examples where the citizens had to revolt or overthrow or make an impact so big that the government had to change it. If they were working on a cost-benefit analysis, the revolt would not have happened because it would have been taken care of far earlier.

 

Businesses have to work within the parameters of environmental concerns, and often a company's reputation hinges on whether or not they can be considered "green," at least in today's market. Businesses deal with the rights of minority groups all the time. That sort of stuff happens in the hiring process.

Which the government had to make businesses to do. Which the citizens made government to do. I sincerely doubt that if there were no regulations laid down by the government, which was in turn pressured by the citizens, there would be any businesses regulating themselves at all. Look at sweatshops and child labor.

 

The government hires employees that it can fire at will.

But the government cannot get rid of citizens-which the government has to rule over. A government rules a country, not the public sector.

 

Many businesses belong not to any one owner or a group of owners but to many thousands of shareholders. You can own a piece of a business too! I do.

Yep, but if you're just an employee with no shares, do you get to own a business? No. But if you're a citizen, you are an automatic shareholder of your nation, say. Whereas just because you get employed somewhere doesn't enable you to become a shareholder.

 

I said there are SIMILARITIES.

I know, I'm just saying that there are far more discrepancies.

 

My end point was that having practical economic experience is beneficial in any area of life. It doesn't matter where that experience was gained, it can be beneficial to policy making if you understand how the private sector functions, what motivates business owners, what causes changes in the market, and what ACTUALLY stimulates the job market.

My point was that while that is beneficial, I'm not doubting that at all, sorry if I came off as that way, but that's just one of the myriad different stuff that government deals with. A businessperson runs a corporation-a government runs a country. That to me is quite different. But of course, we could just be having a different point of view. Edited September 5, 2012 by ylangylang

[~Kat~]

Since Obama has been in office, the debt is now 5.4 trillion in the 4yrs he has been in office, twice as much as when Bush was in office.

 

This effects our prosperity, jobs and our grandchildren will inherit this debt.

 

As far as paying tax's for everyone, I am sorry, we should all pay the same tax's, not on how much money you make.

 

I do not agree with my own party, the Republicans on everything either, but Obama is going to run us into the ground if he has his way.

[demonicvampiregirl]

Since Obama has been in office, the debt is now 5.4 trillion in the 4yrs he has been in office, twice as much as when Bush was in office.

 

This effects our prosperity, jobs and our grandchildren will inherit this debt.

 

As far as paying tax's for everyone, I am sorry, we should all pay the same tax's, not on how much money you make.

 

I do not agree with my own party, the Republicans on everything either, but Obama is going to run us into the ground if he has his way.

And Romney is going to be better?

[~Kat~]

And Romney is going to be better?

Yes he will.

 

National Debt Likely To Surpass $16 Trillion During The DNC

 

The U.S. national debt is set to pass an inconvenient bench mark at the worst possible time for Democrats.

 

On Tuesday, the first day of the Democratic National Convention, the national debt will likely surpass $16 trillion, according to FoxNews.com. The Treasury Department’s tool for counting the national debt is still paused from its Labor Day break, but, if FoxNews.com’s estimate is correct, the $16 trillion club should open around when Democrats take the stage in Charlotte.

 

UPDATE: The national debt officially surpassed $16 trillion on Tuesday afternoon, according to the Treasury Department.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/04/n...26pLid%3D200987

Edited September 5, 2012 by ~Kat~

[demonicvampiregirl]

Yes he will.

 

National Debt Likely To Surpass $16 Trillion During The DNC

 

The U.S. national debt is set to pass an inconvenient bench mark at the worst possible time for Democrats.

 

On Tuesday, the first day of the Democratic National Convention, the national debt will likely surpass $16 trillion, according to FoxNews.com. The Treasury Department’s tool for counting the national debt is still paused from its Labor Day break, but, if FoxNews.com’s estimate is correct, the $16 trillion club should open around when Democrats take the stage in Charlotte.

 

UPDATE: The national debt officially surpassed $16 trillion on Tuesday afternoon, according to the Treasury Department.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/04/n...26pLid%3D200987

No he wont.

 

He has bank accounts off shore, doesn't even want people to see his tax returns and his view points on issues are scary.

 

I'd be terrified if he got elected.

 

Image

 

The linked image is a image I found on tumblr. Based on that, I do not want him in as a president. (I linked it instead of having it viewable so it wouldn't stretch the page)

Edited September 5, 2012 by demonicvampiregirl

[~Kat~]

National Debt Likely To Surpass $16 Trillion During The DNC

 

The U.S. national debt is set to pass an inconvenient bench mark at the worst possible time for Democrats.

 

On Tuesday, the first day of the Democratic National Convention, the national debt will likely surpass $16 trillion, according to FoxNews.com. The Treasury Department’s tool for counting the national debt is still paused from its Labor Day break, but, if FoxNews.com’s estimate is correct, the $16 trillion club should open around when Democrats take the stage in Charlotte.

 

UPDATE: The national debt officially surpassed $16 trillion on Tuesday afternoon, according to the Treasury Department.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/04/n...26pLid%3D200987

 

Right now I could care less about abortions or anything else. This country needs american people to have jobs and to get back to work.

 

Obama needs to stop spending right now.

[demonicvampiregirl]

National Debt Likely To Surpass $16 Trillion During The DNC

 

The U.S. national debt is set to pass an inconvenient bench mark at the worst possible time for Democrats.

 

On Tuesday, the first day of the Democratic National Convention, the national debt will likely surpass $16 trillion, according to FoxNews.com. The Treasury Department’s tool for counting the national debt is still paused from its Labor Day break, but, if FoxNews.com’s estimate is correct, the $16 trillion club should open around when Democrats take the stage in Charlotte.

 

UPDATE: The national debt officially surpassed $16 trillion on Tuesday afternoon, according to the Treasury Department.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/04/n...26pLid%3D200987

 

Right now I could care less about abortions or anything else. This country needs american people to have jobs and to get back to work.

 

Obama needs to stop spending right now.

He has to be able to help create jobs somehow.

 

Also I do not need the same thing posted twice. I seen it once.

 

Romney sends businesses over seas. How is that going to help at all?

 

As far as paying tax's for everyone, I am sorry, we should all pay the same tax's, not on how much money you make.

 

Also isn't this the same guy who wants to cut taxes for the rich?

 

You believe he will help yet he wants to cut taxes for people who make more money. That isn't going to help out.

Edited September 5, 2012 by demonicvampiregirl

[~Kat~]

President Barack Obama said the new fuel standards ''represent the single most important step'' his administration has taken to reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil. The administration says the latest changes will save families more than $1.7 trillion in fuel costs and bring an average savings of $8,000 over the lifetime of a new vehicle sold in 2025.

 

We have oil here in the USA.

Again, Obama the DICTATOR

Obama the SOCIALIST

 

No President has ever had a track record like Obama's. If he gets elected this country is doomed. This is insanity! Obama just pulled another one of his stunts on the American people while they were watching the hurrican or RNC. He does not care how bad he hurts our people. It is all part of his scheme to destroy this country. Your utility bills are going to sky rocket also. This is due to another of his "green programs".

[LascielsShadow]

President Barack Obama said the new fuel standards ''represent the single most important step'' his administration has taken to reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil. The administration says the latest changes will save families more than $1.7 trillion in fuel costs and bring an average savings of $8,000 over the lifetime of a new vehicle sold in 2025.

 

We have oil here in the USA.

Again, Obama the DICTATOR

Obama the SOCIALIST

 

No President has ever had a track record like Obama's. If he gets elected this country is doomed. This is insanity! Obama just pulled another one of his stunts on the American people while they were watching the hurrican or RNC. He does not care how bad he hurts our people. It is all part of his scheme to destroy this country. Your utility bills are going to sky rocket also. This is due to another of his "green programs".

You know, saying words over and over doesn't make them true.

 

Reducing U.S. dependence on foreign oil=using U.S. resources and finding other methods of creating energy. That is a GOOD thing.

 

You want to talk about "hurting our people"? THis is some of what's in the REPUBLICAN platform for 2012:

 

A ban on abortions. A constitutional amendment that says life begins at conception (affording zygotes all the rights and protections already given to actual born people), which could effectively outlaw certain forms of birth control. A ban on gay marriage. Turning Medicare into a voucher system and taking away billions from recipients. Repealing the ACA (an action which would literally kill people). Tax cuts for the rich at the expense of the middle class. Cuts in funding to programs that quite literally help keep people alive (food stamps, welfare, etc.). Reforming the FDA (which will really benefit nobody but Big Pharma-it certainly won't do much for the people of this country). Less regulation on corporations. Reining in the EPA (because apparently, regulations that hinder companies' bottom lines are bad, and pollution is totally not a problem). Slashing the federal workforce. A move to keep women off the front lines in the military.

 

Edited September 5, 2012 by LascielsShadow

[demonicvampiregirl]

President Barack Obama said the new fuel standards ''represent the single most important step'' his administration has taken to reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil. The administration says the latest changes will save families more than $1.7 trillion in fuel costs and bring an average savings of $8,000 over the lifetime of a new vehicle sold in 2025.

 

We have oil here in the USA.

Again, Obama the DICTATOR

Obama the SOCIALIST

 

No President has ever had a track record like Obama's. If he gets elected this country is doomed. This is insanity! Obama just pulled another one of his stunts on the American people while they were watching the hurrican or RNC. He does not care how bad he hurts our people. It is all part of his scheme to destroy this country. Your utility bills are going to sky rocket also. This is due to another of his "green programs".

I really disagree with you on this. He DOES care about us. Romney doesn't seem to care at all if he's going to cut taxes for his rich friends and get more of a profit for him and his friends.

 

That is selfish.

 

He sends businesses over seas. Jobs that the AMERICAN PEOPLE need. Not someone else. You want to fix the deficit. We need jobs to help do that. Romney sees the chance to save a penny and sends them else where.

 

You was just saying you think people should all pay an equal amount of taxes yet you want Romney in. If he gets in that will never happen. You want to fix this country keep people out that want to do things like this.

 

Cutting taxes and sending businesses to another country is not helping this country at all.

 

You know, saying words over and over doesn't make them true.

 

Agreed. Plus news sites are always biased. You can never tell the truth now from anything.

Edited September 5, 2012 by demonicvampiregirl

[Rosedamai]

We have oil here in the USA.

Again, Obama the DICTATOR

Obama the SOCIALIST

 

No President has ever had a track record like Obama's. If he gets elected this country is doomed. This is insanity! Obama just pulled another one of his stunts on the American people while they were watching the hurrican or RNC. He does not care how bad he hurts our people. It is all part of his scheme to destroy this country. Your utility bills are going to sky rocket also. This is due to another of his "green programs".

Kat, sorry for saying this but please explain why he's a dictator, he's going to be out of office in at most 4 years from now, dictators don't do that. And isn't reducing your country's dependence on foreign oil a good thing?

[demonicvampiregirl]

Kat, sorry for saying this but please explain why he's a dictator, he's going to be out of office in at most 4 years from now, dictators don't do that. And isn't reducing your country's dependence on foreign oil a good thing?

Yes it is. I really wish we could find another energy source other than oil. We could be using solar or wind now and no one wants to put a dime into advancing that technology. They always fight against it. I understand the point of view from a coal miners position. My own father was a coal miner yet he even says the same thing I did about alternative energy sources.

[~Kat~]

Are any of you against people who own mineral rights here in the USA, and that have oil wells that produce? This also creates jobs for people and helps people get richer than what they were. Here is the USA, you can sell your land but retain any mineral rights so if you wnat to drill for oil, you can.

[Rosedamai]

Yes it is. I really wish we could find another energy source other than oil. We could be using solar or wind now and no one wants to put a dime into advancing that technology. They always fight against it. I understand the point of view from a coal miners position. My own father was a coal miner yet he even says the same thing I did about alternative energy sources.

Plus the other countries can screw you over with high prices if you're too dependent on their oil, there was that oil shock in the 70s and the rise of OPEC, although they're far less influential now, they can also stop selling their oil to you if they don't like your government, which being less dependent will solve. I also think that that's a better policy then, I dunno, screwing up another country by going to war on them for shaky reasons when you're actually wanting their oil. *cough*Bush and Iraq*cough*

 

Are any of you against people who own mineral rights here in the USA, and that have oil wells that produce? This also creates jobs for people and helps people get richer than what they were. Here is the USA, you can sell your land but retain any mineral rights so if you wnat to drill for oil, you can.

I don't see what your point is here because you were condemning Obama for lessening the U.S's dependence on foreign oil?..... Besides, I'd think that as long as you are obeying environmental concerns as well as labor concerns and not using your wealth to lobby politicians and such, that would be okay. Edited September 5, 2012 by ylangylang

[LascielsShadow]

Yes it is. I really wish we could find another energy source other than oil. We could be using solar or wind now and no one wants to put a dime into advancing that technology. They always fight against it. I understand the point of view from a coal miners position. My own father was a coal miner yet he even says the same thing I did about alternative energy sources.

I do, too. There's a serious problem with lack of investments in solar and wind tech. Oil doesn't last forever, and there's no such thing as "clean" coal. I do understand the position of coal miners as well, but oil and coal just aren't infinitely sustainable as energy sources.

Edited September 5, 2012 by LascielsShadow

[demonicvampiregirl]

I do, too. There's a serious problem with lack of investments in solar and wind tech. Oil doesn't last forever, and there's no such thing as "clean" coal. I do understand the position of coal miners, as well, but oil and coal just aren't infinitely sustainable as energy sources.

Exactly. It isn't some fuel source that can be there for forever. It takes what millions of years for it to form? (seriously cannot recall that at the moment) So we need a new source and soon.

 

Plus the other countries can screw you over with high prices if you're too dependent on their oil, there was that oil shock in the 70s and the rise of OPEC, although they're far less influential now, they can also stop selling their oil to you if they don't like your government, which being less dependent will solve. I also think that that's a better policy then, I dunno, screwing up another country by going to war on them for shaky reasons when you're actually wanting their oil. *cough*Bush and Iraq*cough*

 

Oh yeah. They can really screw you over with the price for oil. I fully agree with that. If some country up and decides they don't like us and we get oil from them, they could easily pull the plug and drive prices higher which then will drive other prices up.

[~Kat~]

Kat, sorry for saying this but please explain why he's a dictator, he's going to be out of office in at most 4 years from now, dictators don't do that. And isn't reducing your country's dependence on foreign oil a good thing?

He acts like one. Some things are none of his business that he sticks his nose into.

 

People go to tan, and he sticks his nose in that, I am talking about personal things. People like their big vehicles here and many more things like the way we eat. Obama needs to mind his own household affairs.

 

There has been NO other president like this. I have been watching the speeches tonight, and watching Fox and a few other channels with it on, and Obama is starting to lose now with the women voters out there. I really hope the USA wakes up before this man destroys us from within.

 

Romney would not have been my pick for President on the Republicans side either. But, he can not do as bad as Obama.

 

Another problem I have, why will Obama not show his birth certificate? The real birth certificate. Why could Obama's illeagal family stay, and not get deported, lol.

[Rosedamai]

He acts like one. Some things are none of his business that he sticks his nose into.

 

People go to tan, and he sticks his nose in that, I am talking about personal things. People like their big vehicles here and many more things like the way we eat. Obama needs to mind his own household affairs.

 

There has been NO other president like this. I have been watching the speeches tonight, and watching Fox and a few other channels with it on, and Obama is starting to lose now with the women voters out there. I really hope the USA wakes up before this man destroys us from within.

 

Romney would not have been my pick for President on the Republicans side either. But, he can not do as bad as Obama.

 

Another problem I have, why will Obama not show his birth certificate? The real birth certificate. Why could Obama's illeagal family stay, and not get deported, lol.

I don't think the word dictator means what you think it means. Obama gets effective restraint by a legislative assembly, which a dictator would not get. He has upheld elections, hasn't decreed a state of emergency, haven't ruled by decree, and hasn't changed the political scene in the U.S into single-party politics. And I'm sure that republicans poking their invasive vaginal probes into women's uterus are way more of a threat to any privacy. And you've got to be specific about personal things-which things? I don't have a clue as to what you're talking about, could you show me some links please?

 

The birth certificate's here- a quick google search brings it up. http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/fi...e-long-form.pdf

Edited September 5, 2012 by ylangylang

[demonicvampiregirl]

He acts like one. Some things are none of his business that he sticks his nose into.

 

People go to tan, and he sticks his nose in that, I am talking about personal things. People like their big vehicles here and many more things like the way we eat. Obama needs to mind his own household affairs.

 

There has been NO other president like this. I have been watching the speeches tonight, and watching Fox and a few other channels with it on, and Obama is starting to lose now with the women voters out there. I really hope the USA wakes up before this man destroys us from within.

 

Romney would not have been my pick for President on the Republicans side either. But, he can not do as bad as Obama.

 

Another problem I have, why will Obama not show his birth certificate? The real birth certificate. Why could Obama's illeagal family stay, and not get deported, lol.

Same old argument.

 

Obama doesn't need to show it because if he was not a real American there is no way he could have been voted in. People are being racist for asking that because of his heritage. That's all it is. Pure racism.

 

Also what are you even going on about with Obamas house hold affairs? He can have opinions just like we can or does he have to always stay single minded and never allowed to speak them just as freely as we can?

 

And I'm sure that republicans poking their invasive vaginal probes into women's uterus are way more of a threat to any privacy.

 

This should be left up to women and women alone. Not men, not politicians (all of them not just men), no one besides the expecting mother.

Edited September 5, 2012 by demonicvampiregirl

[Alpha1]

I didn't decry anyone, BTW - just saw that there were unquestionable inaccuracies in the first one that was linked

 

You never pointed any of them out. What was the U.S. suppose to do anyways? Let the Soviet Union get a hold of the region?

 

... and I see today that someone has indeed been into wiki and completely deleted the page I linked to - a page which provided a non-wiki link to an international and reliable report on US attitudes to the Japanese nuclear bombings - showing that almost half the US population at the time thought MORE should have been dropped - even after the ghastly effects were known - and that a significant number believed that all Japanese people should be wiped off the planet. Wonder who wiped the page...

 

No, it’s still there.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombin...ma_and_Nagasaki

 

Don't worry; it's the American Way. Doesn't matter if you're the person at the epicentre of whatever the debate is, an American will always know better than you ;~)

 

It’s called American exceptionalism. ;D

 

In the same vein, I think Romney is corrupt and corruptible, a pathological liar, and a self-centered typical rich man at heart.

 

Looks like campaign rhetoric sure works on making people think the candidates are contemptible.

 

Well, there's sort of been a negative social stereotype for awhile now... And as controversial as this topic is, I still fail to see why earning more money deserves a punishment in the form of increased taxes. As it stands right now, the top income bracket pays around what, 30%? A little more? I don't see why that is. And I certainly don't see why that should be increased. As it stands, they're already paying comparatively more and also the majority overall. In my oh-so-ignorant head, a flat tax seems both fair and practical. But I digress, because I think income tax is stupid anyway! Baha!

 

People pay more taxes than just the federal income tax. Payroll taxes, excise taxes, state sales tax, property tax, and state income tax. The poor also are probably paying rent for something they’ll never have a stake in and this section of the population pays more for the same item or service via credit.

 

Although the recession has lessened it, we have a huge gap between the rich and poor not seen since 1920's. After all, the rich can easily make more off of the money they make by speculating on land and investing in stock.

 

Fun fact: In 1960, the CEO-to-President pay ratio was 2-to-1. In recent years, it has been 40+-to-1.

 

"The explosion in executive pay has become controversial, criticized by not only leftists but conservative establishmentarians such as Ben Bernanke[5] Peter Drucker, and John Bogle[8][9]"

 

"It's a very bad development. It's creating two societies." -- Bernanke

 

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/1...t-isnt-diverse/

 

"A large part of the rising share of the top 1 — about 60 percent, according to the Piketty-Saez data — is actually attributable to the top 0.1 percent."

 

These people aren’t diverse. If you look at the top 0.1%, you'll find the majority are lawyers, non-finance execs, financial professions, and in real estate. Where are the tech entrepreneurs?

 

The idea of having a President who's like, "ohh, heyy, personally, I'm pro-life, but uh, it's sort of up to you guys to decide that kinda stuff.

 

Paul wants to target abortion, homosexuality, and religion via disregarding the 14th Amendment’s protections.

 

http://paul.senate.gov/?p=issue&id=3

 

“I would strongly support legislation restricting federal courts from hearing cases like Roe v. Wade. Such legislation would only require a majority vote, making it more likely to pass than a pro-life constitutional amendment.”

 

Donald Trump did not get to where he is today, being stupid, I can assure you,

 

"Take now... some hard-headed business man, who has no theories, but knows how to make money. Say to him: "Here is a little village; in ten years it will be a great city-in ten years the railroad will have taken the place of the stage coach, the electric light of the candle; it will abound with all the machinery and improvements that so enormously multiply the effective power of labor. Will in ten years, interest be any higher?" He will tell you, "No!" Will the wages of the common labor be any higher...?" He will tell you, "No the wages of common labor will not be any higher..." "What, then, will be higher?" "Rent, the value of land. Go, get yourself a piece of ground, and hold possession." And if, under such circumstances, you take his advice, you need do nothing more. You may sit down and smoke your pipe; you may lie around like the lazzaroni of Naples or the leperos of Mexico; you may go up in a balloon or down a hole in the ground; and without doing one stroke of work, without adding one iota of wealth to the community, in ten years you will be rich! In the new city you may have a luxurious mansion, but among its public buildings will be an almshouse." -- Henry George