Twilight

[DragonNighthowler]

That's just... wow!

 

The sporking pretty much covers all my thoughts on the article.

 

I haven't followed Buffy (I'm more Supernatural), but I do have seen Juno and thought it was a wonderful movie.

I've also never read Ender's game, but I'm eager to do so and will as soon as I'm over with Dresden Files.

 

Which brings me to Karrin Murphy. I absolutely adore that character, she's a strong, hard woman who knows what she wants, and yet has enough depth to be faithfully loyal to those she loves, and eager to do what must be done and face the consecuences, however unfair they might seem.

I guess Murphy is another tiny man.

 

I don't know what else to say, other than I felt insulted. I love driving, I love cars, reason why I chose proffesional driver as a career, and I LOVE it. Why should I consider sitting at home raising kids when neither I, nor my boyfriend like them? When we'd rather travel throughout the country to conformation shows with our dogs than strolling through the park with the baby? Why should I stop going out running or cicling with my pets when it is good for me and for them?

Why would that make me less of a woman?

[terioncalling]

Murph would kick this professor's ass. Or shoot her. Or...I'll stop as I'm not sure how far you are into the Dresden Files. Suffice to say, I adore Karrin as well and she's part of my inspiration for the main character of the book I'm working on.

 

Supernatural has Jo and Ellen. They would also kick the professor's ass.

 

Another female character I've read recently is Trixa of Rob Thurman's Trickster series. Trixa doesn't take from anyone and she continuously kicks ass.

 

And given that I just heard Anne McCaffrey died, I'll thrown in Lessa from Pern for good measure. Or, to go back to actual teenage characters, Menolly from Harper Hall.

Edited November 23, 2011 by terioncalling

[DragonNighthowler]

Murph would kick this professor's ass. Or shoot her. Or...I'll stop as I'm not sure how far you are into the Dresden Files. Suffice to say, I adore Karrin as well.

 

Supernatural has Jo and Ellen. They would also kick the professor's ass.

 

Another female character I've read recently is Trixa of Rob Thurman's Trickster series. Trixa doesn't take from anyone and she continuously kicks ass.

 

And given that I just heard Anne McCaffrey died, I'll thrown in Lessa from Pern for good measure. Or, to go back to actual teenage characters, Menolly from Harper Hall.

I'm into the beggining of Small Favor, so yeah, I've seen her do some pretty awesome things.

 

Forgot about Jo and Ellen. I was so angry about what happened to them, they were also pretty awesome characters.

[terioncalling]

I'm into the beggining of Small Favor, so yeah, I've seen her do some pretty awesome things.

 

Forgot about Jo and Ellen. I was so angry about what happened to them, they were also pretty awesome characters.

Oh, the example was going to be fine then. Chainsaw on the plant monster/Chlorofiend from whichever book that is. For some reason I want to say Summer Knight but I don't think it's that early in series.

 

I hated the way they went out too but DAMN they were awesome. I was a little wary about liking Jo some of the time but I loved Ellen from that first introduction.

[DragonNighthowler]

That was Dead Beat I think.

 

I pretty much liked Jo from the beggining. Although I had trouble understanding her (I'm not native english speaker) .

[Ruins]

In think any heroine you can name is better than Bella and could give her beats- Hermoine, Valkreye Caine, Amy Pond, Ziva David... Anyone. (Okay, I included one grown woman and a Mosaad agent. So sue me. I hate Bella. ))

[digipup]

would pretty much sum up my opinion of Twilight. (I actually made it my ringtone, oh yes)

 

.... Most of what I think has already been said somewhere in the last 72 pages or so.

Ah well. Let the fangirls rage, for all I care.

Edited November 23, 2011 by digipup

[Stromboli]

The one thing I'm not understanding is how she says that female character who's vengeful and sexually active and rides a motorcycle and all that is essentially a man because those are 'male coded' traits...

 

Does that then mean that Harry Potter and Albus Dumbledore are essentially female? Dumbledore always spoke of the power of love and forgiveness over hate and vengeance. He gave second chances. Though Harry didn't understand at first, in the end he gives Voldemort the opportunity to redeem himself and 'try for some remorse.' Voldemort was responsible for every terrible thing that ever happened in Harry's life, but Harry still gave him a second chance, a chance to heal his decimated soul.

If seeking revenge is male-coded, then granting forgiveness would likely be female-coded, no? So Harry's a girl.

SURPRISE.

[DragonNighthowler]

The one thing I'm not understanding is how she says that female character who's vengeful and sexually active and rides a motorcycle and all that is  essentially a man because those are 'male coded' traits...

 

Does that then mean that Harry Potter and Albus Dumbledore are essentially female? Dumbledore always spoke of the power of love and forgiveness over hate and vengeance. He gave second chances. Though Harry didn't understand at first, in the end he gives Voldemort the opportunity to redeem himself and 'try for some remorse.' Voldemort was responsible for every terrible thing that ever happened in Harry's life, but Harry still gave him a second chance, a chance to heal his decimated soul.

If seeking revenge is male-coded, then granting forgiveness would likely be female-coded, no? So Harry's a girl.

SURPRISE.

Didn't think abuot it that way, but I completely agree.

 

So a typically legal-good character is a woman in essence? say like Drizzt for example.

 

Edit; And does it not offend you guys to be considered vicious machines of vengenance?

Edited November 23, 2011 by DragonNighthowler

[Rosedamai]

You know, that was just wrong in so many ways that I don't even want to comment on it, other then to say that while quiet, demure women are women, so are the ones at the other side of the spectrum.

[Twilightdreamer1979]

Which brings me to Karrin Murphy. I absolutely adore that character, she's a strong, hard woman who knows what she wants, and yet has enough depth to be faithfully loyal to those she loves, and eager to do what must be done and face the consecuences, however unfair they might seem.

I guess Murphy is another tiny man.

 

"Tiny, but Fierce!"

 

 

The one thing I'm not understanding is how she says that female character who's vengeful and sexually active and rides a motorcycle and all that is  essentially a man because those are 'male coded' traits...

 

Does that then mean that Harry Potter and Albus Dumbledore are essentially female?

 

Dumbledore is gay. JK Rowling wrote him as a gay man... so I guess you could say that Dumbledore has more feminine traits than a straight guy.

 

TD (butting out now)

Edited November 23, 2011 by Twilightdreamer1979

[Stromboli]

Sexuality =/= gender

Desiring romantic and/or sexual relationships with men does not make you effeminate. Much less female.

Edited November 23, 2011 by Stromboli

[Rosedamai]

Dumbledore is gay.  JK Rowling wrote him as a gay man... so I guess you could say that Dumbledore has more feminine traits than a straight guy.

What that is just wrong being gay does NOT make you more feminine. Honestly where are you getting all these ideas from? So normal men are all tree-crunching, rock-eating adrenalin fuelled machos? Hell no. I can think of plenty hetero guys in fiction that are gentle, from Faramir(lotr) to Aang(the last airbender). I can think of plenty gentle guys in real life who are hetero.

 

*Shakes head slowly*

Edited November 24, 2011 by ylangylang

[DragonNighthowler]

What that is just wrong being gay does NOT make you less feminine. Honestly where are you getting all these ideas from? So normal men are all tree-crunching, rock-eating adrenalin fuelled machos? Hell no. I can think of plenty hetero guys in fiction that are gentle, from Faramir(lotr) to Aang(the last airbender). I can think of plenty gentle guys in real life who ate hetero.

 

*Shakes head slowly*

This.

 

This so much.

[Rosedamai]

This.

 

This so much.

Oops typo I meant more feminine....it says less feminine but I meant that being gay does not make you more feminine. Ah well, you got the gist.

Edited November 24, 2011 by ylangylang

[DragonNighthowler]

Oops typo I meant more feminine....it says less feminine but I meant that being gay does not make you more feminine. Ah well, you got the gist.

Lol. didn't even realize the typo. I'm starting to think I read concepts instead of sentences .

[Rosedamai]

Thanks, dragonNighthowler

 

 

Another thing that I find ridiculous about separate gender roles and you being a 'tiny man' if you like motorcycles is that why can you not be both? For example I like stuff that the writer would probably think of as masculine such as motorcycles, martial arts, sports, lotr and other high fantasy, metal music, leather, debating, fishing and so on. I also like what she calls feminine things such as cooking, dresses, animals, being in love, decorating, dessert, jewelry, gardening, chamber music(or is that masculine too? Honestly I have no idea), and so on. 

 

Does that make me a gender-confused freak of nature or a woman trying to be a man? I would like a response from her. I would probably be labelled as not a real woman or a poor confused little sweetheart. Add the fact that I am living in a conservative third world country and I would get something like, "poor darling...you are trying so hard, just let go."

 

I also wonder what she thinks about misogynistic practices that some third world countries have, like female circumcision or honor killings. Are those justified too? After all, it is what is needed to keep women demure and in the house. *sarcasm* 

Edited November 24, 2011 by ylangylang

[Twilightdreamer1979]

hey... I didn't mean any offence.. it was supposed to be .. oh never mind.

 

I'm "getting all (?!) these ideas" from my life.

Please don't shake your head at me, just because I didn't explain myself very well.

 

no offence was intened. I apologise if I didn't explain myself very well/at all.

Would you prefer that I delete my post and butt out of your conversation?

 

TD.x.

[Stromboli]

Nah, you're fine. I'm sure you didn't mean it the way it ended up coming across.

It's just that being gay doesn't mean you're basically a woman any more than riding motorcycle and hacking computers would make you essentially a man. And, even though he was gay, Dumbledore never came off as particularly effeminate to me.

 

 

But I feel like we're getting off the topic of Twilight. ^-^;

 

 

ETA: Found this through memebase.

Do people not know how math works? Really. >.>

Edited November 25, 2011 by Stromboli

[terioncalling]

9000 internets to the commenters. Particularly that second one because:

 

For my closing statement dear ignorant journalist; I’m sorry, I can’t hear you over how epic the Harry Potter theme park in Universal Studios is.

 

Because it IS epic.

[Rosedamai]

hey... I didn't mean any offence.. it was supposed to be .. oh never mind.

 

I'm "getting all (?!) these ideas" from my life.

Please don't shake your head at me, just because I didn't explain myself very well.

 

no offence was intened. I apologise if I didn't explain myself very well/at all.

Would you prefer that I delete my post and butt out of your conversation?

 

TD.x.

Oh, okay, sorry about that I'm just a bit touchy on the issue of how homosexuals/heterosexuals are represented as. And please don't erase it, leave it so that future commenters may see it as a ... chat for thought? IDK.

 

btw, someone said this:

‎"What do you mean, sparkling vampire?"

"It was caused by the darkest form of magic, Harry. Mary-Sues. "

 

So I did a voiceover. Sorry that the sound is so fuzzy and everything.

http://vocaroo.com/?media=v3BKZwNjq1XPRDaXB

Edited November 25, 2011 by ylangylang

[SPQR]

My opinion: burn it with fire. Multiple times.

[DragonNighthowler]

hey... I didn't mean any offence.. it was supposed to be .. oh never mind.

 

I'm "getting all (?!) these ideas" from my life.

Please don't shake your head at me, just because I didn't explain myself very well.

 

no offence was intened. I apologise if I didn't explain myself very well/at all.

Would you prefer that I delete my post and butt out of your conversation?

 

TD.x.

I'm obtuse. I'm sorry but I don't get where you said anything offensive.

 

This is quiet how conversations tend to go.

 

BTW, on a sided note, I happened to see an article in the news yesterday night where, here, in Spain, most women expect men to do everything for them while men expect women to be docile and gentle.

Which is pretty much what Twilight represents AND, funny enough, in a country where readers are considered weirdos, it is as well one of the best selling books.

 

I have a friend who deffends Twlight (althought she admits it is not a good book) by stating it made people read. Quiet frankly, her friend doesn't get anywhere near a book even if her life depended on it, yet she read Twlight.... and nothing else. That's not something to celebrate, since she is practically unable to read anything else because it doesn't resemble Twlight.

Having a plot, full 3D characters and good writing tends to do that I guess.

 

Edit; LOL. Hadn't seen that trailer. Found myself enjoying the music. Anyone knows where it is from? Because I highly doubt it is from the movie.

Edited November 25, 2011 by DragonNighthowler

[miladyz]

The main character is an empty shell of a girl.

She has no backbone and no personality whatsoever.

 

The only reason she's the main focus of the entire series is because some sparkly man-god thinks she smells good and gets all obsessed with her.

 

Lusty things ensure.

 

</series>

[Cori]

The only reason she's the main focus of the entire series is because some sparkly man-god thinks she smells good and gets all obsessed with her.

 

</series>

That, and the fact that she's basically a self-insert of the author. Meyer's description of Bella is almost identical to how she herself look in real like.

 

Self inserts ALWAYS become the focal point of a book because the author has 'special snowflake syndrome'.

 

So Bella's basically a self-insert Mary Sue that everyone loves despite her constant whining, complaining, moping, and generic gloominess.