Posted September 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, LadyLoki said: I just want to make absolutely certain this is confirmed: Refusals will not result in a color change, even if the mate's breed is confirmed to change the colors? Indeed. Think of it like this: in a refusal, the dragons stay far away from each other, so there can't be any color change. Share this post Link to post
Posted September 15, 2021 Shumoga dragon (white var.), leodon dragon, and desipis dragon confirmed as changing the flames back to orange! Magma dragon, grave dragon, candlelabra dragon, and red dragon confirmed unchanged. Share this post Link to post
Posted September 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, AnthillDragon said: Shumoga dragon (white var.), leodon dragon, and desipis dragon confirmed as changing the flames back to orange! Magma dragon, grave dragon, candlelabra dragon, and red dragon confirmed unchanged. Do you have proof of the Pyro x Shumoga pairing changing a different color flame to orange (a progeny page like this would work)? I only ask because Shumoga (both variants) are already listed under the 'unchanged' category and we have a couple of people breeding orange Pyros for their first breeding and listing the results as a change to orange. Also have confirmed unchanges and updates to the Dinala's spreadsheet for: Black Capped Teimarr Boreal (no egg produced, but 'The dragons don’t really show much interest in each other.') Blusang Lindwyrm Canopy Share this post Link to post
Posted September 15, 2021 I just tested this. Had a cyan flame turn to orange after breeding. https://dragcave.net/progeny/dq4qO Share this post Link to post
Posted September 15, 2021 17 minutes ago, Dinala1641882 said: I just tested this. Had a cyan flame turn to orange after breeding. https://dragcave.net/progeny/dq4qO Cool beans~ Share this post Link to post
Posted September 16, 2021 Dark shumogas also confirmed to change it back to orange. Before: Spoiler After: https://dragcave.net/progeny/kxa5i Share this post Link to post
Posted September 18, 2021 Two of my Pyropellises refused each other - is that a coincidence or on purpose? Share this post Link to post
Posted September 18, 2021 (edited) Garland - no change. https://dragcave.net/progeny/fNdQR Spitfire - either orange or no change. Strange considering breed description says they breathe a brilliant blue-green flame https://dragcave.net/lineage/sy3wj https://dragcave.net/progeny/NUNeH Speckle-throated - no change. https://dragcave.net/progeny/ZYXLr Deep sea - no change. https://dragcave.net/progeny/NUNeH Ultraviolet - either orange or no change. https://dragcave.net/progeny/LwtJo Mageia xenowyrm - either orange or no change. https://dragcave.net/lineage/Ccrrh Almandine pyralspite - either orange or no change. https://dragcave.net/lineage/bTUgK Edited September 18, 2021 by Dirtytabs Share this post Link to post
Posted September 19, 2021 20 hours ago, Obelisk-of-Light said: Two of my Pyropellises refused each other - is that a coincidence or on purpose? Coincidence, there have been a couple of successful pyro breedings posted here before, I don't think they affected flame colour of either dragon. 18 hours ago, Dirtytabs said: Garland - no change. https://dragcave.net/progeny/fNdQR Added this one to the spreadsheet, the others were already on there. Share this post Link to post
Posted September 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, wildfiresandwing said: If found Anagallis breeds green Pyropellis: https://dragcave.net/view/WP2kl ( from female Anagallis) https://dragcave.net/view/Vqa37 https://dragcave.net/view/SYsfR ( from male Anagallis) and breeding a green pyropellis to Arcana gives a orange pyropellis: https://dragcave.net/view/OGZrJ https://dragcave.net/view/AgzGe ( in lineage) I think there may be some confusion here?? All pyros start out with orange flames, regardless of lineage. The flame color is not genetic. The color changes depending on the breed of their MATE when they are bred, not their parents. For example: orange adult Pyro is bred to an Arcana and THEN afterwards is a green Pyro because the Arcana shared its green flames with its Pyro mate. You can see that in this lineage (one of the ones you referenced). Share this post Link to post
Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) Ongoing experements: Pink floret alstro ether orange or no change: https://dragcave.net/view/M11cr Storm rider ether orange or no change: https://dragcave.net/view/AgzGe Green x reg canto no change: https://dragcave.net/view/xBbcs 44 minutes ago, BringsTheSnow said: I think there may be some confusion here?? All pyros start out with orange flames, regardless of lineage. The flame color is not genetic. The color changes depending on the breed of their MATE when they are bred, not their parents. For example: orange adult Pyro is bred to an Arcana and THEN afterwards is a green Pyro because the Arcana shared its green flames with its Pyro mate. You can see that in this lineage (one of the ones you referenced). I no its not genetic but on the sheet it had arcana listed as giving green pyros but I got a orange one from a green pyro and arcana so I'm seeing if its a glitch or not, sorry should have said this in the original. Also the green is from an anagallis not a arcana and grow up into a green it never changed. Edit: I now see what you mean my mistake sorry, but the green did not change it did grow up into a green. Edited September 19, 2021 by wildfiresandwing Share this post Link to post
Posted September 19, 2021 18 minutes ago, wildfiresandwing said: I no its not genetic but on the sheet it had arcana listed as giving green pyros but I got a orange one from a green pyro and arcana so I'm seeing if its a glitch or not, sorry should have said this in the original. That was what I was trying to explain. If you bred them and the parent stayed orange then THAT would be strange. It is giving you green pyros by changing the parents flames to green. The offspring will always start out orange (until they are bred to a dragon that changes their color). Share this post Link to post
Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BringsTheSnow said: That was what I was trying to explain. If you bred them and the parent stayed orange then THAT would be strange. It is giving you green pyros by changing the parents flames to green. The offspring will always start out orange (until they are bred to a dragon that changes their color). Iv seen what you mean my mistake ( I did edit it but you must not have seen) but the green oddly did grow up into a green and not from breeding with an arcana. Edited September 19, 2021 by wildfiresandwing Spelling Share this post Link to post
Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) Blue cantormaris didn't change the flame colour. https://dragcave.net/lineage/SbEQJ Purple dorsal didn't change the flame. https://dragcave.net/lineage/PoIZd My tablet is being uncooperative, if someone can move these to the "confirmed unchanged that would be nice. Also. Bred extinguished pyro x blue pyro, got two blue pyros. Current egg: https://dragcave.net/lineage/FcfoO Former egg (the one that had the father's flames out) : https://dragcave.net/lineage/6sWKz And I'm a bit confused now. Isn't arcana (the colourful Halloween breed) that changes to green? Anagallis are a common breed with green body but nothing specific about flame coloration..... Edited September 19, 2021 by Darth Krande Share this post Link to post
Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Darth Krande said: Blue cantormaris didn't change the flame colour. https://dragcave.net/lineage/SbEQJ And I'm a bit confused now. Isn't arcana (the colourful Halloween breed) that changes to green? Anagallis are a common breed with green body but nothing specific about flame coloration..... An arcana does turn pyro green I made a mistake. I meant the offspring I have of an anagallis x pyro was green before breeding with anything though I I'm most likely mistaken on this. anagallis does not change its mates colour. Sorry for the confustion Edited September 19, 2021 by wildfiresandwing Share this post Link to post
Posted September 19, 2021 Thank you for clarifying! Another confirmed unchanged: peaceful Holiday 2015 / Aegis https://dragcave.net/lineage/X0lhb Share this post Link to post
Posted September 19, 2021 22 minutes ago, Darth Krande said: Bred extinguished pyro x blue pyro, got two blue pyros. Darn it! Now I wish I'd held off on the test breeding I did just after midnight. I won't have another bald to test with until Tuesday around this time to help confirm this. Share this post Link to post
Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Fyrebird said: 14 minutes ago, Fyrebird said: Darn it! Now I wish I'd held off on the test breeding I did just after midnight. I won't have another bald to test with until Tuesday around this time to help confirm this. It'd be coolest if you try bald x some other colour pyro. Like, will bald pyro x green pyro give two green pyros? Another unchanged: indigo lunar herald. https://dragcave.net/lineage/kh8wK I bred this pair the very first time to see if blue lunar would change the then-orange flame, then I bred the male to a brimstone who turned him blue, now they got together again. I am not disappointed, these look fabulous I think. Edited September 19, 2021 by Darth Krande Share this post Link to post
Posted September 19, 2021 52 minutes ago, Darth Krande said: It'd be coolest if you try bald x some other colour pyro. Like, will bald pyro x green pyro give two green pyros? I'll have a bald and a purple available on Tuesday. Share this post Link to post
Posted September 19, 2021 9 hours ago, Mnkn10 said: Coincidence, there have been a couple of successful pyro breedings posted here before, I don't think they affected flame colour of either dragon. Nope, both of my colored Pyropellis stayed their respective colors when bred together: https://dragcave.net/lineage/sHZ1Y Also, what breed(s) do we still have to check if they turn a flame back to orange? I've three colored-flame Pyropellis able to breed at the moment Share this post Link to post
Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) I think it makes sense if Pyros of two different flames keep their respective colors (since they kind of cancel each other out) while a bald/unlit takes on the flame of its partner (the bald/unlit has nothing to prevent the partner's flame from spreading). 3 hours ago, ShorahNagi said: Also, what breed(s) do we still have to check if they turn a flame back to orange? I've three colored-flame Pyropellis able to breed at the moment Here's a spoiler list of what hasn't been tested at the time of posting (in case people can't access the spreadsheet): Spoiler Cantormaris - Itus (orange) Iratus (red) Tutela ( rainbow) motus ( green) Carmine Wyvern Coastal Waverunner Dark Green (both) Daydream Deep Sea Diamondwing Dorsal (red) Electric - Alt Elux Lucis Erador Fever Wyvern Flamingo Floral-Crowned Floret Alstro (peach, purple, gold) Floret Iris (Gold, Purple, Peach) Freckled Frilled Frostbite Gemshard - All color Geode Gold Horned Tanger Golden Wyvern Green Guardian Harvest Heartseeker Heartstealing Holiday 2007 (Holly) Holiday 2008 (Yulebuck) Holiday 2009 (Snow Angel) Holiday 2010 (Ribbon Dancer) Holiday 2011 (Blizzard Wizard) Holiday 2012 (Wrapping Wing) Holiday 2013 (Solstice) Holiday 2014 (Mistletoe) Holiday 2015 (Aegis - Enraged) Holiday 2016 (Snow) Holiday 2018 (Starsinger) Holiday 2019 (Wintertide) Holiday 2020 (Glystere) Horse Hydrophidius Imperial Fleshcrowne Khusa Kingcrowne Lacula Lumina - Light Lunar herald (bronze, silver, gold ) Melismore Mint Mistra Monarch Moonstone Mutamore Nebula (Purple, Green) Neotropical Nhiostrife Nobleshield Nocturne Olive Oracle Wyrm Pillow Pink Plated Colossus Prize Western - gold Prize, Eastern - gold, silver, bronze Purple Pyralspite - Almandine, Pyrope, Spessartine Pyropellis (Orange) Radiant Angel Razorcrest Ridgewing tan Ridgewing- Purple Rift Wyrm Risensong Rosebud Royal Blue Royal Eminence Sakuhana Sapo Sapphire - Blue Sapphire - Pink Sapphire- Yellow Sawtooth Scimitar-wing Script Seasonal - Summer Seasonal - Winter Seasonal- Autumn Seasonal- Spring Serrati Setsong Shallow Water Silver Sinii Krai Sinomorph Siyat (green, purple) Skysilk Skystrider Skywing Sophrosyne Soulstone Speckle-Throat Spinel (purple, green) Spirit Ward Spitfire Stone Storm-Rider Stratos Striped Striped River Sunrise Sunset Sunsong Sunstone Swallowtail Sweetling Tercorn Terrae Tetra Tideweaver Lindwyrm Tri-Horn Tsunami Two-Finned Bluna Ultraviolet Undine Venturis Water Walker Waterhorse Whiptail White "Xenowyrm - Pharos" Xenowyrm - Aquilo Xenowyrm - Aso Xenowyrm - Astrapi Xenowyrm - Gaia Xenowyrm - Obidar Xenowyrm - Staterae Xenowyrm - Thalassa Xenowyrm- Chrono Xenowyrm- Mageia Zyu - Pink, Blue, White, Black, Red, Yellow Edited September 20, 2021 by Myoukin Share this post Link to post
Posted September 20, 2021 Don't know why the spreadsheet specified that only the male leoden was confirmed to change the color back to orange. They're the same sprite after all. Anyway, I have confirmed that the female leoden also changes it back to orange. Spreadsheet updated. Share this post Link to post
Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) @Myoukin Thank you. Went ahead and bred my remaining Colored Pyropellis to some of the mates listed: Aqua Pyropellis x Pink Zyu = No change https://dragcave.net/lineage/AqDul Blue Pyropellis x Spirit Ward = No change https://dragcave.net/lineage/cgRtf Purple Pyropellis x Sinomorph = No change The dragons don’t really show much interest in each other. So yeah, all three cases had the colored Pyropellis remain its color as opposed to reverting it back to Orange Edited September 20, 2021 by ShorahNagi Share this post Link to post
Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Fyrebird said: Don't know why the spreadsheet specified that only the male leoden was confirmed to change the color back to orange. They're the same sprite after all. Anyway, I have confirmed that the female leoden also changes it back to orange. Spreadsheet updated. I'd say it's either people being hyperspecific since we do have some instances of gender having an impact on the results (female Hellfires/hellhorses for cyan flames, for example) or people just being confused in thinking that a few specific gender results means that every dragon's gender could change the results. 6 hours ago, ShorahNagi said: @Myoukin Thank you. You're welcome~ Edit: Got some more unchanged results (have already been updated in Dinala's spreadsheet): Coastal Waverunner (No egg; The dragons don’t really show much interest in each other.) Dark Green (regular) Daydream Deepsea Electric (alt) Elux Lucis Edited September 21, 2021 by Myoukin Share this post Link to post
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