ANSWERED:Tired of players scamming trading

[CCatspaw]

There needs to be a secondary approval on trades.  I find it is disheartening to offer a CB for a CB trade to only have the other player switch out the CB for a weed.  This has happen a lot more and it makes trading not very fun anymore.

[Chaosdawn]

I don't do a lot of trading but I don't think that's possible? If I tried to switch an egg in a trade, it would cancel the trade and I'd have to redo it. Do you mean someone's canceling their offer on you trade and reoffering something else? Are you checking the lineage of the other egg before offering? I've seen trades where someone claims it's a CB egg when it's not. 

[Fuzzbucket]

If you check the lineage on the trade before you click accept, that simply isn't possible. The teleport link is to a specific growing thing.

 

Ninjaed.

Edited June 29, 2021 by Fuzzbucket

[CCatspaw]

I think you misunderstood what I am saying.  The offer of a CB is showing on the trade screen. Yet when I offer my cb up for them to consider, I been getting weeds instead of the original CB egg.  Dont know how the switch is being made but I always look to see what lineage is before putting up my egg .   

Edited June 29, 2021 by CCatspaw

[Fuzzbucket]

I understand perfectly what you are saying. But it is not possible to make a switch on an existing teleport. If you look to see if it is CB before offering - they cannot switch out. Just because it says it is a CB doesn't mean it is - you HAVE TO look before you offer, and if your offer is accepted, the egg whose lineage you looked at will be what you get. (and bear in mind that it isn't even always deceit - some players who aren't on forum don' actually know what CB means.) 

 

If you don't look at its lineage before you offer - that's on you.

 

If you can PROVE otherwise, show your evidence to TJ. But you cannot change which egg is in a teleport. It can't be done.

[CCatspaw]

So screen shooting the trade is your suggesting, before and after.  

 

[Fuzzbucket]

Make sure you get the screenie showing the ACTUAL teleport link, the codes of the eggs involved, and separate screenies of their lineages. You will also need to show a screenie of the trade taking place on that link, not a changed one (where your offer would not appear.) I'm actually doing a trade with a friend later; I'll see what I could manage to show it absolutely conclusively.

 

If you can actually do that I will be more than surprised and so, I think, will everyone else here.

OK - here you go. I set up a trade:

You can see the teleport number.

The lineages: 

 

My friend offered:

 

 

The teleport number has not changed, and the lineages he has offered are: 

 

 

That is the ONLY TRADE that can happen if I press accept. There is no way for me to change it. If I do, the trade will fall over.

 

So I can accept - and you can see the egg codes have not changed; they cannot change.

 

And I do and on my scroll, I now have those two eggs instead of my balloons. Where before I had:

 

 

Now I have 

 

 

and he has: 

That is the only thing that could have happened with that teleport. Take ALL those screenies and show you got something other than what you VIEWED BEFORE YOU ACCEPTED,  and I will believe you. Until then - I'm sorry - but it is impossible.

 

Just a before and after isn't really enough. You will have to show that the egg codes changed - and they can't if the teleport link stays the same.

Edited June 29, 2021 by Fuzzbucket

[MoonlightEevee]

People also need to either learn how to read or just simply not offer on a specific trade. You don't know how many people have offered something completely different from what I was asking for. I usually end up asking for something Equinox related and people end up offering me a completely different breed. 

 

I always double check to see what the lineage is if it is an equinox. I actually had a trade where I had a yellow dino looking for a 2g equinox prizekin, drove home, checked the one singular offer and it turned out to be an actual 2g prize from equinox. Instant accept on my part. Codes can't change and you always gotta double check to see if what people are offering are good

Edited June 29, 2021 by Dalek

[random_dragon_collector]

As everyone is saying--you have to actually look at the lineage in the trade, don't go by what the person says in the description.

 

And as for people offering what you don't ask for, I had a trade up a cb z-dragon in exchange, but someone offered me a couple of messy alt blacks, one sitting and one crouching.  I've never had a crouching alt to freeze, so I took it.  I've offered something that isn't what they're looking for, and others have done so for me--I'm good with that.  I've also accepted trades for a cb and then it isn't--but that's totally my fault for no checking the lineage of the egg offered.

 

People can't scam you if you look at the actual egg in the trade--it's a unique link.  But that said, you have to actually check.  People can either lie, make an honest mistake, or just think you might be interested in something else.

[Orchi'dea]

tbf hate me or not for my... "uncomfortable" opinions, but that's... true, your mistake for not checking twice and there's nothing you can do to reverse it; I had people switch the offers on me as well, either because they changed their mind or thought the new offer will be better. Or pull completely and when I accept, the egg is not there lol because of how the timing on both ends made it so. Neither me nor the person offering the egg knows WHEN exactly I'm clicking the "confirm" button on the trade. My tip is to keep the trade page and confirmation page in separate tabs, and refresh the trade page/lineage page of the thing you want seconds before confirming. It's the best that can be done.

Edited June 29, 2021 by Orchi'dea

[Fuzzbucket]

Offers made TO your posted trades - yes, people can switch their offers. But nobody can change what they have posted in a teleport.

 

The OP is saying that is what has happened and that they have looked. And it can't happen.

 

6 hours ago, CCatspaw said:

I think you misunderstood what I am saying.  The offer of a CB is showing on the trade screen. Yet when I offer my cb up for them to consider, I been getting weeds instead of the original CB egg.  Dont know how the switch is being made but I always look to see what lineage is before putting up my egg .   

[HeatherMarie]

I'm very curious to know what exactly is happening here. As has been stated, what the OP is describing simply *can't* happen, it's just not possible with the way trading works. If you make a trade, it's *set* and you can't change what is in the trade (or even change your 'wants') without re-making it, at which point it's not the same trade. If that's what the OP actually thinks is happening, that's either a *huge* game-breaking bug... Or a misunderstanding of what's actually happening. I'm betting on the latter of course, but I'm interested to understand what's actually going on. 

[Fuzzbucket]

I am pretty sure it is simply the OP assuming that a CB put up for trade IS actually a CB. And also not checking lineages on what is offered on their own trades - especially if the person offering changes their offer - that can happen, but it is up to us to check before accepting. As I said - if they can produce a set of screenies like mine that show it actually did happen as they seem to believe - that would be different.

 

 

Edited June 29, 2021 by Fuzzbucket

[Jazeki]

I agree that unless there's proof of trade swapping going on, this is not really an issue that can be addressed or fixed with additional confirmation/approval settings. We already have to approve our own trades. I don't know how approving more than once with ensure that people don't "swap" out trades or that you are getting what you've asked for. 

 

I've accidentally accepted the wrong trades before, but that's on me. 

Edited June 29, 2021 by Jazeki
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[HeatherMarie]

59 minutes ago, Jazeki said:

 

I've accidentally accepted the wrong trades before, but that's on me. 

 

I've accidentally *offered* on the wrong trade before (had multiple tabs open). Accidents happen, but 'scamming' the way the OP is saying shouldn't even be possible due to the way trades are set up.

[FortyTwo]

I'd like to see the 'view lineage' link change to something like 'caveborn', purely for convenience really, but I don't think it's a huge issue. Just check what you're offering on or accepting.

 

If there is an actual exploit with the trading feature then it needs to be addressed but I've never ran into any problems.

[Kegluneq]

8 hours ago, Fuzzbucket said:

Offers made TO your posted trades - yes, people can switch their offers.

 

7 hours ago, Fuzzbucket said:

...especially if the person offering changes their offer - that can happen...

 

I didn't know that was posible! Hasn't happened to me before, and obviously I never tried doing that before; but yes, just like everyone recommends I always double, if not triple, check things before accepting anything!

 

I'll be extra careful now...

[Firebirdwyvern]

I have not traded recently (as in getting eggs in return for eggs or hatchlings I send out), but I do wonder...depending on the time zones and when the other person can confirm the offer...perhaps the problem is that the OP has an open trade and people make offers, but then change before they can come back to confirm it? Or maybe it is just different offers coming in all together. I never had multiple offers for my eggs, but other people do...I dunno. In my case I kind of don't care much about lineage or such. I will take what I get so long as it is something that I need (which at this point I kind of am set).

[11th]

Keep in mind that if/when people do change their offer, you will still get a new notification about their new offer. It's not possible for someone to swap things without it sending a new notification. (And it's not possible for someone to swap the things in their teleport without canceling the 'port entirely.)

 

If someone does re-offer, even if it's the same breed, it's best not to assume that it's the same thing that they offered the first time. Sometimes people make mistakes when offering and need to swap, and sometimes they just decide that they want to offer something else, either because they think that it will have a higher chance of being accepted or because they've decided to do something else with first thing(s) they originally offered.

[HeatherMarie]

1 hour ago, Firebirdwyvern said:

I have not traded recently (as in getting eggs in return for eggs or hatchlings I send out), but I do wonder...depending on the time zones and when the other person can confirm the offer...perhaps the problem is that the OP has an open trade and people make offers, but then change before they can come back to confirm it? Or maybe it is just different offers coming in all together. I never had multiple offers for my eggs, but other people do...I dunno. In my case I kind of don't care much about lineage or such. I will take what I get so long as it is something that I need (which at this point I kind of am set).

 

I have had people offer on my trade, almost immediately cancel, and then re-offer something different or add something to their offer. That's why users should always double-check *what* exactly they are accepting when they accept an offer. But as far as I know every time an offer is made it triggers a notification, so if someone has offered/cancelled/re-offered it will show as multiple notifications. 

[Fuzzbucket]

8 hours ago, Firebirdwyvern said:

I have not traded recently (as in getting eggs in return for eggs or hatchlings I send out), but I do wonder...depending on the time zones and when the other person can confirm the offer...perhaps the problem is that the OP has an open trade and people make offers, but then change before they can come back to confirm it? Or maybe it is just different offers coming in all together. I never had multiple offers for my eggs, but other people do...I dunno.

 

I think it's exactly this.  But:

 

8 hours ago, 11th said:

Keep in mind that if/when people do change their offer, you will still get a new notification about their new offer. It's not possible for someone to swap things without it sending a new notification. (And it's not possible for someone to swap the things in their teleport without canceling the 'port entirely.)

 

If someone does re-offer, even if it's the same breed, it's best not to assume that it's the same thing that they offered the first time. Sometimes people make mistakes when offering and need to swap, and sometimes they just decide that they want to offer something else, either because they think that it will have a higher chance of being accepted or because they've decided to do something else with first thing(s) they originally offered.

 

7 hours ago, HeatherMarie said:

 

I have had people offer on my trade, almost immediately cancel, and then re-offer something different or add something to their offer. That's why users should always double-check *what* exactly they are accepting when they accept an offer. But as far as I know every time an offer is made it triggers a notification, so if someone has offered/cancelled/re-offered it will show as multiple notifications. 

 

Precisely. But the OP did say it was when they had offered on something and then didn't get the CB they expected.

 

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 I find it is disheartening to offer a CB for a CB trade to only have the other player switch out the CB for a weed.

 

And that can't happen - the only possibility there is someone saying it was CB in the text, when it wasn't, and the OP not checking..

 

ETA a classic example of how things happen: here's a trade I just saw:

 

 

Well, yeah - CB pink sapphire... I might try and get that..

 

But when I check:

 

While the hatchies are CB, the sapphire is not. If I hadn't checked, I would have been annoyed - but it would have been down to me.

Edited June 30, 2021 by Fuzzbucket

[missy_]

On 6/29/2021 at 5:01 AM, CCatspaw said:

There needs to be a secondary approval on trades.  I find it is disheartening to offer a CB for a CB trade to only have the other player switch out the CB for a weed.  This has happen a lot more and it makes trading not very fun anymore.

Basically, when you look at a trade and it says “CB” and you see the egg image there, click on “View Lineage.” 
 

If you don”t see something that looks like the below, then it is NOT caveborn (CB). If it is CB, it will be an egg all by itself in the 1st lineage slot, with no other eggs from previous generations. A CB means it is the first egg in a lineage, and has no ancestors. It will look like this:

 

If it does not look like that, it is not cave born. 
 

Another way to check en egg’s lineage is look at the egg’s view link: dragcave.net/view/CODE1

 

Now manually remove the word “view“ and replace it with the word “lineage“. So you will have dragcave.net/lineage/CODE1

 

If you do that, and the egg does not look as it does in the above screenshot, then it is not caveborn (CB).

 

Hope that makes sense.

 

 

 

 

[Fuzzbucket]

Exactly - as everyone has said throughout this thread,

[missy_]

Fuzz, yes! This was my first lesson, Lesson 101, when I was being mentored by The Mentoring Project. Bless them; they helped me so much in better understanding and enjoying this game.

[_Ro_]

I know everyones already said it's probably not possible and is due to OP misclikcing or misunderstanding or something, but can we give them the benefit of the doubt?

 

OP, if you think there's an exploit you can show someone; make a dummy trade and send it to me or someone else who's happy to do this and try it yourself if you know how they're doing it.

It would help to also have screen recording software; APowersoft is pretty good I use it for stuff like this in games all the time. That would make it not only your word, but with evidence and a witness and get the problem fixed.

 

DM me if you want to, i'm online for the next few hours.