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Decrease cooldown on BSAs required for breed variants

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What the title says, basically. It wasn't as big a deal to have a 2-week cooldown on semi-common breed's BSAs when the only times you used those BSAs were, yunno, to *use* the BSA. Using Fertility when breeding a brand-new pair in hopes they won't refuse, or Warding an especially stubborn breed when it's in the ER (looking at you zyus....). 

 

But now we have unrelated dragon breeds that *require* certain BSAs to be used even if you don't actually need the BSA for it's original purpose at all. Stun, Ward, and Incubate all have 2-week cooldowns and are all BSAs that you need to use to get a breed variant even if you don't actually need the BSA-effect (AP eggs that have lower time already, eggs that have very little chance of actually getting sick, etc). It's even worse for Fertility, requiring *two* Fertilities to go on cooldown for 2 weeks just for a *chance* at getting a specific variant (and then those BSAs feeling wasted when you don't even get an egg from it and still have to wait 2 weeks, so you've effectively put 4 dragons on cooldown with no egg to show for it (instead of just the usual breeding cooldown)). 

 

We already have BSAs with shorter cooldowns, in fact the 2-week cooldowns are among the longest we have (only exceptions being full-month cooldowns). Now that these BSAs have even more importance heaped on them, I think their cooldowns should be changed to 1 week to reflect the increased need for their use. (The same way I assume Magis have a super-short cooldown because of their perceived need...)

 

(Also, in checking cooldown times I see that the on-site Help page lists Earthquake as "Once per week per dragon" but that seems untrue? I believe EQ is actually 2 weeks as well, based on mine still being on cooldown 9 days later...)

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Support. We are using these bsas outside of their  respective usages to get alts. Shorter cooldown should reflect that and honestly its not game breaking to have this. 

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Not sure about this.

 

When I started this game, my early focus was to get enough of each of the BSA dragons so I would never run out. The only BSA dragons I am currently short of are Aeons and Zyus, since I missed the cave release of both these breeds. I don't find the cooldowns to be excessive, although I know new players will find it frustrating until they collect the necessary dragons.

 

BTW, you are right about EQ needing two weeks. The dragon I used 4 days ago says she won't be available for another 10 days.

 

*Heads off to breed more 2g BSAs for the AP*

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Support. I didn't realize that some of these have such long cooldowns. I agree that since these are being used beyond their intended function to now make alt dragons, it would be helpful to adjust the cooldown period to reflect that. I can only imagine how frustrating it must be for those with very few BSA breeds.

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I have plenty of BSA dragons, so this isn't an issue for me, but I understand why some could feel the need for a change.

I see no harm in this suggestion, so I would support it.

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I support this 100%. Fertility, Ward, Bolt, and Earthquake all have such long cooldowns and with all these new alts that depend on them it would be nice.

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Yeah with the shift to having alts that rely on the BSAs I think this is a needed change, even if I'm hoping it's just a fluke and no other breeds go this way.

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Support. Out of all the long-cooldown BSAs, the only ones I use regularly are incubate and to a lesser extent fertility, so I've collected 80+ reds and 50+ purples meaning I never have to worry about running out. However, now that stun, ward and earthquake are basically required to get some variants, I found myself struggling to get the electrics I wanted for example because I had already used stun for its intended purpose a while before the release. People who have much fewer BSA dragons would have a considerably harder time as well. The 2 week cooldown was fine when the only purpose of these BSAs was basically an added bonus to the user - now that they are the only way of creating some variants, I think they should be more accessible to the average player. 

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9 hours ago, MissK. said:

The 2 week cooldown was fine when the only purpose of these BSAs was basically an added bonus to the user - now that they are the only way of creating some variants, I think they should be more accessible to the average player. 

 

I like the way you worded this. Most BSAs were an 'added bonus', like hatching an egg early or a few hours protection from dying etc. None of these BSAs were actually *needed* to play the game, they were just helpful bonuses. But that has changed now, these BSAs are no longer just an extra little something to make things move faster or whatever, there are variants you literally cannot get without using these BSAs (sure, trading, but that's definitely hit-or-miss...). 

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Support here, too. I am far short on purples, and I haven't even bothered to check my greens yet. I have plenty of reds, oranges, and pinks, but the shorter cool down is much needed right now. I can't do anything at the moment.

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I'm supportive of this because it's helpful for newer players that might be interested in DC. This does nothing for veterans and changes little for them, other than they now have more reds or pinks than they will ever need or will have an easier time finding these breeds if they like collecting them. I also remember when BSAs were meant to make certain breeds more desirable because they used to fill the AP. It was kinda a response to get reds, greens, and pinks out of the AP because they used to be super common in the AP. I feel like the opposite is true now, where reds and pinks are a bit harder to find in the AP, which might make newbies hunting for them have a more difficult time. The BSA also makes Aeons doubly more difficult to get because people use them for lineages AND for the BSA. If I recall, someone did the math and you need just over 100 reds to be able to Incubate all the time with no downtime, so there is definitely a demand to get as many reds as possible.

 

I'm 100% on board with shortening BSAs other than Corporealize, Summon, and Teleport. I might have forgotten a BSA somewhere. In my opinion, shortening the 2 week BSAs to 1 week would be beneficial. It would help make these breeds more common since the demand would be decreased and it would be vastly helpful for new players.

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Fully support. Having consistent cooldown times for most BSAs would be very nice, but this seems particularly needed now that the BSAs are required for certain breeds. Basically, everything that's already been said here.

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Support! You could always get more of those BSA dragons, but it's such an hassle that this alternate solution is much better!

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Support!  I used both of my Greens trying to get the alt Shomoga and now not only am I egg locked with dead eggs, I can't try again for two weeks.  >.>

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Support.

I've recently come back after two (?) years of hiatus and I'm still struggling... if I were a newer user, well, it would be even worse.

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