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Just my (unpopular) opinion on things.

 

I personally have really enjoyed the mechanic for getting yellow and pink sapphires! It encouraged me to be more active on the forum, breed and abandon my sapphires for others to catch later, and use the trading hub more. I understand why people are frustrated if they have a slow connection or not a lot of time to hunt the AP. If there was an alternate way of getting pink sapphires then that would certainly help those users a lot.

 

I find it annoying for people who exclusively look for CB Pink Sapphires to complain and try to pressure the creator change the mechanic. Some complaining is understandable. Yes, those users are having a REALLY hard time finding CB Pink Sapphires or even trading for them. Hopefully that gets easier over time. However, just like creator decided to make them an AP-biome breed, those players decided to only hunt for CB's. That was their choice. 

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1 hour ago, BringsTheSnow said:

I find it annoying for people who exclusively look for CB Pink Sapphires to complain and try to pressure the creator change the mechanic. Some complaining is understandable. Yes, those users are having a REALLY hard time finding CB Pink Sapphires or even trading for them. Hopefully that gets easier over time. However, just like creator decided to make them an AP-biome breed, those players decided to only hunt for CB's. That was their choice. 

 

CB pink sapphires are problematic right now, mostly because of how long it's been taking for their rarity to balance out. But eventually they will balance out. Cave eggs will always be dropped to the AP every now and then, and all CB sapphires found in the AP will be pink. This has hardly been the only - or even the main - objection people have with the mechanism though; lineages are an even bigger problem. Since people have to abandon eggs to turn them pink it's basically impossible to build lineages with their own dragons, unless someone happens to catch their egg and send it back. Sure, you can say making lineages a choice as well, but the same goes for any playstyle. When a mechanism ends up affecting a large portion of the playerbase that does seem kind of significant. Right now, both CB collectors and lineage builders are affected, though in the long run it will probably be mostly the latter.

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1 hour ago, MissK. said:

 

CB pink sapphires are problematic right now, mostly because of how long it's been taking for their rarity to balance out. But eventually they will balance out. Cave eggs will always be dropped to the AP every now and then, and all CB sapphires found in the AP will be pink. This has hardly been the only - or even the main - objection people have with the mechanism though; lineages are an even bigger problem. Since people have to abandon eggs to turn them pink it's basically impossible to build lineages with their own dragons, unless someone happens to catch their egg and send it back. Sure, you can say making lineages a choice as well, but the same goes for any playstyle. When a mechanism ends up affecting a large portion of the playerbase that does seem kind of significant. Right now, both CB collectors and lineage builders are affected, though in the long run it will probably be mostly the latter.

 

Agreed. I'm not too concerned that I haven't gotten any CBs yet. It's always tough getting a new release, and I'm sure I'll get them eventually. My bigger concern is that once I do get them I won't be able to use them. I won't be able to keep anything I breed if I want the pink sprite, which means making any sort of lineage just won't be an option.

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I was breeding clean-lined Sapphires to the AP to 'spread the love' so the speak and yeah, I definitely see why this mechanism is an issue for lineage-builders. While I'm very big on 'all playstyles matter equally', it's a simple logical fact that things like 'collect only CBs' will of course be more difficult in certain areas. But lineages.... I kind of feel like this pink mechanic specifically signals out lineage-builders in a very biased way. There will always be, for example, more CB pink Sapphires to be found than a very specific lineage (or, yunno, your own AP'd eggs). Even with things like orange Cantors, you have to trade for them but at least it's a secure deal if you trade through the Hub. You can trade lineage-eggs back and forth to get that color, too. But this, the *only* way to make any sort of continued lineage is to abandon the egg and hope some kind person will give it back (without being able to actually *ask* for it back)? (I feel like it might be a *little* better if we could do 'trade-backs' through the hub, but you literally aren't allowed to publically ask for an abandoned egg back, which I feel is something that this mechanic seriously overlooks.)

 

I don't really care *what* is changed, what the 'second way' to get a pink might be, but I do think in the spirit of allowing players the freedom to play the way they want there really should be some other way.

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Thanks to as friendly person on the forum, i got my first CB Pink Sapphire and might get a second one as well if all works out since we need to AP trade to make it pink in the first place

 

Yet, i stan by the fact that you shouldnt just rely on strangers to help you out regarding that

Trading is atleast safe its just between two people, but with this method you "fight" with other people over the egg in the AP you purposly want to turn pink & trade since the first part cant be done alone

 

Hell, i cant even drop my own egg into the AP and recatch it, which is insane for me as an CB pair collector

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If I ever get around to breeding the 2 gens I am catching. I shall rename the parents and hope to get the eggs back. It very often works.

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I'm sure that someday I'll get my CB pink pair, demand has to go down at some point. I would very much welcome another way to get them though. 

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Honestly for lineage builders' sake I do hope Infinis' idea of alternate mechanic of near-neglecting will be implemented, however I'm scared the same people complaining about sapphires now will come out of the woodwork because NDing will be "too difficult" for them...

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50 minutes ago, Falorni said:

Honestly for lineage builders' sake I do hope Infinis' idea of alternate mechanic of near-neglecting will be implemented, however I'm scared the same people complaining about sapphires now will come out of the woodwork because NDing will be "too difficult" for them...

Let it be difficult, atleast then its not impossible and doesnt rely on the good in strangers

 

Cant make everyone happy, but any step to make lineages continueable without AP rng is better

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1 hour ago, Falorni said:

Honestly for lineage builders' sake I do hope Infinis' idea of alternate mechanic of near-neglecting will be implemented, however I'm scared the same people complaining about sapphires now will come out of the woodwork because NDing will be "too difficult" for them...

Well, I do hope it is not quite ND hard, because . . . well then it might as well be an ND, no?

I am pretty sure that I will eventually be able to get the CBs I need from the AP. But lineage building with them becomes a near impossibility. Honestly I don't personally even want to build lineages with them because there is no space on a scroll to build lineages with every dragon there is and they are not high on my list of dragons I love. But I still think the current mechanic is not fair to people who would like to build lineages with them.

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5 minutes ago, purplehaze said:

Well, I do hope it is not quite ND hard, because . . . well then it might as well be an ND, no?

I am pretty sure that I will eventually be able to get the CBs I need from the AP. But lineage building with them becomes a near impossibility. Honestly I don't personally even want to build lineages with them because there is no space on a scroll to build lineages with every dragon there is and they are not high on my list of dragons I love. But I still think the current mechanic is not fair to people who would like to build lineages with them.

I believe someone earlier in the thread said you can easily get an egg to hatch with <500 overall views once it's down to a day or so left, so - assuming they are correct - you shouldn't have any trouble with it if you're willing to put in the effort.

ETA: the person making this assertion was Nalyua on pg. 9, if you're after details/want to discuss it with them personally.

 

I would support the addition of such a mechanic.  I respect the spriter's preferences and I certainly think we should give their opinion a heavy weight as Sapphires' creator, but I think it would make a lot of people happy if they felt comfortable agreeing to the change (including myself, as someone who only has a single pink CB due to the kindness of others).

Edited by Ponystar17

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For the lineage builders, and PB sharing people, I support the idea. 👍 
The Siyat mechanic might work best in that case with the Pink Sapphires where <2 days left would turn it pink. 

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As someone who is hunting for /any/ pink sapphire (messy preferred, actually, as I want to freeze it) and who has only come by pinks by 1 lucky catch during the flood that took place almost immediately after the release and two trades to people who didn't have alt pygmies or alt coppers...

I highly support a change in the pink sapphire mechanics. Have been hunting on an unstable campground WiFi connection for 2 hours every day for 2 weeks straight and have only seen 3 pinks, all of which were solidly missed. Trades are being denied because people are being much more selective about what they want (and to be frank, I don't have the connection reliability to make the CB neglecteds people want, or capture the CB golds asked for).

 

Near-neglect makes sense with the description, and would make it possible for those of us on horrid connections to actually reach scroll goals without weeks or possibly months before trades are accepted. And think of those not on the forums. Their luck is likely worse.

ETA: My daughter, on a more stable connection than I can hope to attain where I am at, managed to gift me a pink sapphire so my pink sapphire hunting is complete (for now). Still, I support the near-neglect mechanic for pink sapphires, as reliance on connection speeds and the kindness of others makes it very difficult for those not on the forums to attain scroll goals.

Edited by Wends

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I actually like the mechanic the way it is. It's really an adrenaline rush to see a pink egg pop up, try and grab it, and then wait for the next. Like Infinfinis I hang out in the AP a lot. I have found beautiful lineages people have dumped in there, and adding a pink egg gives hunting and searching a boring ap of the same monotonous eggs over, and over, and over again something exciting. Awesome job Infinis, and I hope TJ nor you change anything. 

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