Increase success during pandemic

[jumpsnake]

So I had to enter quarantine today and I'm really down.

 

For some solace I came to DC. Not ONE of the breedings I've tried so far were successful. 

I imagine lots of people are breeding and playing a bit more than normal. Maybe they are also wanting to bite things, etc.

 

Could perhaps success ratios be tweaked a bit during this time? I just feel like a small boon on DC could have good mental health impacts on us players.

 

The main problem I see with this is that it might mess up the mysterious ratios somehow. However, since I have no idea how they really work I don't know. Maybe the best option instead of what I have said is to implement some of the other suggestions to improve the ratios..... 

 

Thoughts?

[Indigo_Dragon]

I thought it was just me having a really hard time breeding pinks and biting vampires all of a sudden. 

 

So. Damn. Many. Refusals.

 

As well as broken eggs. (Even though I have a vampire horde which is theoretically supposed to increase my chances of even converting the egg in the first place, along with decrease the chances they get kicked off once turned - had several of those as well, ugh.) 

 

I'm down for this too. At first I thought you were talking about zombie chances and I was thinking "grim, not sure if that's politically correct thing to do at the moment..." so I was relieved when it wasn't. 

[Stormcaller]

4 hours ago, Indigo_Dragon said:

At first I thought you were talking about zombie chances and I was thinking "grim, not sure if that's politically correct thing to do at the moment..." so I was relieved when it wasn't. 

 

 

  That has got to be the funniest thing I've seen during this whole pandemic! 

 

But to stay on topic, I wish something would be done to fix the ratios too.

[Starscream]

As a mod, I am for a bit of a happy boon. We need it.

[Corteo]

My concern is that if you artificially bump ratios higher now, would that make things worse for the next six months after the bump is removed?  Obviously it's hard to say not knowing how things work.

[Shadowdrake]

I think a pure decrease in disinterest/refusal chance wouldn't affect ratios since results would still be proportional, but I'm afraid to see what a ratio bump would do to both ends of extremes--very common/recently released and very rare results could end up even more frustrating.

[jumpsnake]

@Corteo and @Shadowdrake yes, I understand that is a worry. Though would turning refusal chances down right now have an impact that way? And could we just have a somewhat better chance because so many people are being more active right now?
 

Also, I don’t mean to make rares less rare, I’m just talking like can my common/ uncommon dragons make an egg at all? (Went back to an older lineage and nada!) 

 

I was just sad to come to DC for a mood lift and ended up more frustrated. I’m not one to normally complain. 

 

 

[RealWilliamShakespeare]

I'm definitely for this. Could definitely improve morale, and I know a lot of people are out of work and kinda have nothing else to do all day. So I'd love to see this

[Stormcaller]

This is a request that many members have made already.  Here's  some discussion of it.  With luck, maybe TJ will have some spare time now to consider this matter. 

[jumpsnake]

1 hour ago, Stormcaller said:

This is a request that many members have made already.  Here's  some discussion of it.  With luck, maybe TJ will have some spare time now to consider this matter. 

If you notice, I actually mentioned this thread and maybe implementing something therein would be applicable. However since we don’t know if TJ has any interest in that or not, I thought a thread specific to this pandemic was appropriate. 

[Indigo_Dragon]

Well at least the rate of outright refusals can stop please. it's very different from two dragons who just don't produce an egg.

 

I've lost a lot of promising pink pairs because of that.

 

And we don't have any dragon (to my knowledge) that can undo refusals... So I'm stuck with the consequences of this for good it seems... 

 

Dammit!

[UnicornMaiden]

3 hours ago, Indigo_Dragon said:

Well at least the rate of outright refusals can stop please. it's very different from two dragons who just don't produce an egg.

 

I've lost a lot of promising pink pairs because of that.

 

And we don't have any dragon (to my knowledge) that can undo refusals... So I'm stuck with the consequences of this for good it seems... 

 

Dammit!

 

No dragon can undo a refusal, but if you use Fertility on a dragon the first time you try it with a new mate the chance of refusal is drastically decreased. After the first mating, whether it's successful or not, the dragon's won't refuse outright.

[Indigo_Dragon]

Okay, that's good to know I guess for the first mating chances. xP Thanks for letting me know!

 

Edit: 

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After the first mating, whether it's successful or not, the dragon's won't refuse outright.

 

Actually wait. A lot of my refusals came from ones who had already bred before. Not first matings. 

 

I'm just overall tired of outright refusals happening so much during this month when I don't remember having so many troubles before. 

Edited March 22, 2020 by Indigo_Dragon

[purplehaze]

16 minutes ago, Indigo_Dragon said:

Actually wait. A lot of my refusals came from ones who had already bred before. Not first matings. 

That should never happen. TJ has always said that once a pair has bred successfully they will not refuse future breedings. That is the "refuse to go near each other" result. They may still show no interest or give no egg, but they are not supposed to refuse outright once they have bred successfully.

[tjekan]

2 hours ago, purplehaze said:

That should never happen. TJ has always said that once a pair has bred successfully they will not refuse future breedings. That is the "refuse to go near each other" result. They may still show no interest or give no egg, but they are not supposed to refuse outright once they have bred successfully.

 

Unless one of them is a holiday dragon. Then they can breed successfully during season, and refuse later. I've been burned by that.

 

Also, using fertility doesn't guarantee they won't refuse, just lessens the chance. I have fertilized pairs that took me a long time to breed only to still have them refuse anyway. 😕  It does happen.

[MIGOR]

On 3/21/2020 at 6:05 PM, jumpsnake said:

So I had to enter quarantine today and I'm really down.

 

 

Superb idea !! And increase the numbers of eggs/hatchies per scroll. Plz. We really need something to cheer us up. Greetings from Slovenia.

[purplehaze]

The frustration is real. I just bred 37 pairs of Splits and got only 18 eggs. That is an abysmal rate of success for what is essentially a common dragon. I have noticed it with other dragons that I have bred in the last month or so, too. There seem to be far more unsuccessful breedings than usual.

[Ruffledfeathers]

So many more refusals than usual, and not interesteds  its annoying but maybe more people are online than usual?

[UnicornMaiden]

I've gotten a lot of "no egg is produced" messages lately.

[olympe]

On 3/22/2020 at 8:57 AM, Corteo said:

My concern is that if you artificially bump ratios higher now, would that make things worse for the next six months after the bump is removed?  Obviously it's hard to say not knowing how things work.

This, so very much. I remember *hearing* about a gold and silver flood due to wacky ratios in... early 2009? Late 2008? The ratios got "corrected" to the intended amount. As a result, golds and silvers were incredbly super-duper-mega-rare (no kidding!) for about two years - or was it closer to 2.5 years? If that's what's going to happen, I'd rather not deal with it. Otherwise - hell yeah!

 

Countersuggestion: If TJ ever wanted to do a mass release of new dragons, now would be the time to do it to keep us all entertained for a long time. (With lots of egg floods, please!)

Edited March 24, 2020 by olympe

[jumpsnake]

37 minutes ago, olympe said:

This, so very much. I remember *hearing* about a gold and silver flood due to wacky ratios in... early 2009? Late 2008? The ratios got "corrected" to the intended amount. As a result, golds and silvers were incredbly super-duper-mega-rare (no kidding!) for about two years - or was it closer to 2.5 years? If that's what's going to happen, I'd rather not deal with it. Otherwise - hell yeah!

 

Countersuggestion: If TJ ever wanted to do a mass release of new dragons, now would be the time to do it to keep us all entertained for a long time. (With lots of egg floods, please!)

 

Yes, I hear this. However, if it is ratio based, I would think that increasing success without changing the ratio of breeds bred could still work, no? Or do we think breeding at all is influenced by the ratios? I would think that common breedings could continue with almost 100% success and not change the ratios. I would be totally fine if the rares were left alone.

 

I'm also ok with more releases, but just want to be able to spend some time doing stuff on here and feel a bit of satisfaction about it. I am locked with new eggs right now and that's cool.

[olympe]

2 hours ago, jumpsnake said:

 

Yes, I hear this. However, if it is ratio based, I would think that increasing success without changing the ratio of breeds bred could still work, no? Or do we think breeding at all is influenced by the ratios? I would think that common breedings could continue with almost 100% success and not change the ratios. I would be totally fine if the rares were left alone.

 

I'm also ok with more releases, but just want to be able to spend some time doing stuff on here and feel a bit of satisfaction about it. I am locked with new eggs right now and that's cool.

I'm not sure about it. While only making this happen for commons might seem like a solution, I still have my doubts. What if people tend to breed all the commons they have trouble with - like, for example, older breeds - and get more success. As a consequence, the numbers of the newer breeds will have an even harder time to catch up, thus giving us even higher "chances" of getting new breeds.

[purplehaze]

I would really much rather see a permanent solution to the unbalanced breeding than have a stopgap measure that might throw things off for the future. What I am most frustrated by right now, though, is the high number of unsuccessful breedings. Is it really supposed to be that hard to get an egg of any kind from even your common dragon pairs?

[jumpsnake]

@olympe fair point. I wish we knew how things work. 
@purplehaze I agree that fixing the ratio issue may be a better solution. The zero breeding success I had is what prompted this post. 

[OMGitsKairi]

I was wondering whether others were having as many issues with refusals lately as I was.

 

Not sure whether finding out it's not just me makes it better or worse...

 

Throwing in my support for SOME tweak to be make. Not sure I support a temporary ratio change,

because I know that will affect things down the road, just like the gold/silver "flood" that Olympe

mentioned. But definitely at least a tweak to the refusal rate... In the past couple days I've stopped
trying new breeding pairs at all because of the number of refusals I've been getting. :c