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@Classycal But why would anyone or their insurance pay for a test they don't need?

 

38 minutes ago, Lagie said:

Angela Merkel did an awesome speech.

 

Apparently, here, rumours abound that the 'whites' have put the lockdown in place to suppress the 'blacks'.  People never learn, do they?

Never mind the fact that both our PM and our Minister of Health and our entire government bar one Minister (without portfolio) are black... 

We are blessed with the fact our PM and our Minister of Health are both medical doctors.

That was indeed a great speech. Especially for Merkel, who's known to not address things directly, who hedges and hedges before she comes up with any reaction. Absolutely untypical. And so very, very much needed. (And, yes, the bit about the biggest challenge since WWII has been "quoted" by some other official in their speech. I'm sure it'll be used a couple more times in the near future.)

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I always thought she was great. As leader, she will be a great loss to Germany.

 

Wow - that speech is headlined "the Leader of the free world ...." How TRUE !

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Angela Merkel is still quarantined so far, but gladly she still tested negative for Covid-19.

 

As for the question about the dark number of infections - the health minister of my home state Northrhine-Westfalia gave another highly interesting information in today's press conference.

 

The region Heinsberg in NRW (where we had the first huge infection cluster and which was locked down about two weeks before the rest of Germany) will be the focus of a thorough study where all ways the infection has spread will be researched and how big the dark numbers were.

 

Heinsberg is a region with a population of about 250 000 where the virus was brought in by a married couple, but except for them there was seemingly no other outside import of the virus, so it is a perfect Petri dish for the research. The first results of the study are expected in about two weeks, and the results of it will then allow a much better evaluation of the numbers elsewhere.

 

By the way, it seems that the disease is now steady in the region, so the measures taken there were obviously successful.

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How are you others doing with remote working or studying? I know that's not possible for everyone but I bet there are still many who have been able to stay home. For me it's usually easier to concentrate at home and as an university student I've already done the majority of the work here. It's just very different now as the situation is so strange and scaring and I just keep worrying about my family and friends all the time and can't find any energy to study. In addition, I've had quite few lectures canceled, almost all of them have been moved online instead, but some teachers still seem to think the amount of essays and all kinds of written assignments should be vasty increased because of this. Luckily I was at least able to get some of the books I need even if the libraries have been closed to the public because my mother works in one...

 

(Also, for anyone who enjoys classical dance... these two videos have really brightened me up this week. :D )

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I'm always working from home and I hate socialising, so there is actually no real change for me. I'm just worried about my 80+ year old parents, particularly as there is no reasoning with my dad who always insists on doing the shopping himself.

 

I'll be "going out" on Monday, though, to donate blood as there were reports that blood is getting scarce nowadays and I have a somewhat rarer blood type.

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My university has gone online and the admin/uni president have decided to keep it that way for the rest of the semester, even if the state governor lifts lockdown. 

I'm not having an easy time with the online change. I get eyestrain easily which leads to a lot of headaches and complex migraines for me. I've already had a couple this week and I'm on the verge of another after taking care of workshop critiques today. But my schoolwork isn't done yet for the week. (My linguistics professor increased our assignments for each week as part of her "adjustments" for the rest of the semester.)

 

I don't enroll in online courses for a reason. 

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34 minutes ago, ValidEmotions said:

My university has gone online and the admin/uni president have decided to keep it that way for the rest of the semester, even if the state governor lifts lockdown. 

I'm not having an easy time with the online change.

 

I would have been so upset if that happened to me. One of the best parts of getting a university education was the opportunity to interact with the professors and other students of all ages, from all different places. Sitting in front of a computer at home just isn't the same.

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1 hour ago, Stormcaller said:

 

I would have been so upset if that happened to me. One of the best parts of getting a university education was the opportunity to interact with the professors and other students of all ages, from all different places. Sitting in front of a computer at home just isn't the same.

Ditto. I did online courses for part of my MLS and I did not enjoy it. I am sooooo glad I am no longer teaching as I would hate to be the instructor online.

 

And... 10 cases here now.

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1 hour ago, Stormcaller said:

 

I would have been so upset if that happened to me. One of the best parts of getting a university education was the opportunity to interact with the professors and other students of all ages, from all different places. Sitting in front of a computer at home just isn't the same.

 

My teacher is using Zoom for our class sessions. He's not really lecturing(he posts separate recordings of the lectures for us to go over), but he's available for us to talk/ask questions during our normal class time. If the teachers do it right, it can be pretty close to the same thing as being face-to-face.

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my younger daughter has papers and things for one of her classes, and another one of her profs is posting lectures and things online.  i'm sure she has contact info for all of them.  wednesday her and her roommate from this year picked their housing - online - for the fall, and yesterday she got her schedule - also online - for the fall too.  hopefully everything will be good to go by move-in day in august for her sophomore year.

 

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If only I could stay at home... As I stated before, I work in outpatient care. Normally, wthin 14 days, I have 3 days off. This fortnight, it's one real off day, which is today. On the plus side, at least I don't have to worry about money. 

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I just need to get my thoughts out, so here’s a bit of a vent (sorry for the long post!)

 

I’m pretty sure me and my partner have COVID-19, but since Finland is only testing patients in need of hospital care now and our symptoms are quite mild, there’s no way to know for sure. We could’ve been infected from grocery store visits, or the last soccer practice my partner was at (which was held in a school), so there’s no clear trail. 
 

My partner has now had some lung-discomfort (not enough to be pain) since Tuesday, and now today he has been coughing a bit and had some discomfort when breathing. He has also had muscle aches and mild fever (below 37.5 Celcius, even though our thermometer is a bit unreliable). He has asthma that is in good treatment balance and some arrhytmia in his heart. 
 

I spent the whole Tuesday and Wednesday sneezing and with a runny nose, but these I believe were actually just allergy symptoms from a new bag of hay. I’ve also had mild fever, muscle aches, headaches (also got a migraine yesterday) and super mild lung discomfort. I have no cough, or trouble breathing. I feel ill and tired, but not so that it would intercept my daily living (chores etc.).

 

I would love to know for sure what this is, especially since my partner is kinda almost in risk of the more serious COVID-19. So far we are both functioning so well that there is no reason to trouble healthcare professionals, since they would probably just advice us to do the same things we already do (self-quarantine, resting, liquid intake). We had to really plan our meals though, because the next possible date to get groceries delivered was on Tuesday when we ordered last Wednesday, but we managed to sort everything out! 
 

Otherwise this pandemic is not really interfering with our daily life, my partner had most of his university studies as non-contact classes already and I’m currently unemployed. We used to go to the grocery store almost every day, so I do miss that now, lol. 

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40 minutes ago, hedy said:

My partner has now had some lung-discomfort (not enough to be pain) since Tuesday, and now today he has been coughing a bit and had some discomfort when breathing. He has also had muscle aches and mild fever (below 37.5 Celcius, even though our thermometer is a bit unreliable). He has asthma that is in good treatment balance and some arrhytmia in his heart.

Get him a chest X-ray ASAP. I heard that many corona patients have very slight symptoms of pneumonia, if they have one, and it often goes undetected for way too long. As an asthma patient, your partner knows pretty much instinctively when to cut back on activity when he gets short of breath, and he also knows ways to modulate his breathing to cope. (I used to have an asthma diagnosis as a child - I "grew out of it", as the doctors said. No more asthma for me, but I still have these habits from back then.) As a bonus, we also know to modulate our breathing in a way to avoid making sounds - I've head severe coughs (and probably one undetected pneumonia because I *never* get a high fever) which couldn't be detected by auscultation. (I had to go through so many lung function tests because of that, it's not even funny any more.) This might or might not be the case for your partner, but in any case, I'd be *very* careful.

 

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I'm nervous about moving cross country. We bought a house in November, and we had to get our ducks in a row. as our ducks lined up, a large wave (covid) started to shift them.

 

We are proceeding with the move, providing we don't see total lock down.

 

By the move point, I won't have ventured out of the house for 3 weeks - although that means nothing because until tomorrow my husband will be working. he "retires" from his job so we can initiate final stage of our move. My mother ordered groceries online, once we get it, then we need to access what we have to take with us. Wednesday will likely be a day we go get fresh fruit and veg, remaining prescription, and final packing.

 

We are highly cautious about Covid-19 and I've taken it deadly seriously since the moment I heard it. Part of the reason we want to initiate the move is that we are with a vulnerable elderly. Ive got signs on the door indicating this and a small pail outside which I instructed our mail carrier, just to drop the mail into - saves him touching our door. I had a go at our landlord for not doing as we asked.

 

So the cross country move 1800km. It took 24 hours driving the last time. should be about that again.

 

I've got preparations so we do not leave the truck for anything. taking a portable lavatory - we will be going through a canadian hotzone so I don't want us to stop unless its absolutely necessary (fuel). We'll try to refuel before entering Quebec, and fuel exiting. The problem area appears to be montreal, so once we are past that we may be better. but we cannot treat it as if we aren't potentially carriers and not give a care. We intend to wipe any surface we touch before/after. Gas stations he'll wear a glove. Closer we get to our destination, we'll utilise masks because all people going to Nova Scotia has to QT for 14 days - no exceptions(well medical or emergency aside).

 

It does pose a bit of a conundrum regarding our truck. What I am asking my husband to do is, we clean it. leave a note in the window and drop it at its depot. He takes my bicycle (mask and gloves) and rides home where we can spend two weeks in QT - likely with little to no internet (I get 4 gig on my phone) But we have lots to do.

 

Our Lawyer has the key to the house and she said we can have no contact with anyone, but she'll tape it to the door before we arrive.

 

Our house has lead pipes, so I need to get the RO system hooked up somewhere temporary until I can get someone in to make it connect to our house properly. (we plan to change the pipes in the near/mid future. With that in mind, as a wine maker, I got lots of bottles, so I will be bottling my own water to take with us.

 

We've got a pack of tp to take with us, so we are leaving the remaining rolls with my mum. I don't want her going out unless she absolutely has to (and she loves to try to get us to get non essential things.(such as shrimp that was on sale, or baskets from Ikea.)

 

We are planning on setting up a garden. I'll be starting that shortly after moving in. going to try the no dig method. But uncertian times means I need to rely upon myself for food. I want to find out the legal  on chook keeping, other wise, I may put them into the basement (want 2 for eggs).

 

This is really quite scary, and we can't afford a house and to pay rent and buy food, and still move if we wait any longer. We have a buffer, but it'll vanish if we're paying 2k in rent each month.

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I worked last Thursday, the day they announced 1 case of COVID-19 in the town I work in. As of 4 pm yesterday, there are 9 cases in that town, and 13 in the town I live in.

 

I had flu, non-flu, sinusitis starting mid Feb. Coughing, below normal temp and chills for the past week. I am just finishing up antibiotics, since nothing else has helped. I tend to get bronchitis. My doctor won't see me, as he is in his 70's, and most of his patients are older seniors. Phone calls only if you have even 1 symptom. I was going to the walk-in when I got the flu/non-flu/sinusitis diagnoses. Only "good" thing is that I have surpassed the deductible on my insurance.

 

I had my boss put me in for vacation this week and next week, and 1 personal day or sick day for the 4 weeks after that. Trying to keep on the payroll and with union dues continuing to come out of my check. My union and bosses say my job is safe. 10% of the people I work with are staying home due to health concerns or childcare issues. My son and I work for different grocery store chains. His last day was last Thursday also.

 

I have diabetes and asthma, my son has asthma, and we care for my 91 year old mother, who has her fair share of health issues. I am going out once a week, when we need prescriptions or food, whichever is first. I am working on the grocery list now. This is the 3rd day of working on the list, and not planning on going out until Monday at the earliest. I had stocked up well. Not hoarded, but my mother requires a special diet, which needs to be blended, so I have things that she can eat. My son and I can survive on everything else in the house for weeks, but not my mother. Not that the crap we have would help at all with my diabetes, but I can control my blood sugar well enough if it goes high with water and *gasp* exercise, and I have meds.

 

Well, except, twice a week, I go out to run the car to make sure the battery stays charged.

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@Starscream I hope everything works out fine with your move! My husband and I moved just when this whole thing started, but not nearly as far as you (Switzerland is very small). It was kind of impractical that we had tried to use up our food before the move, because now there's a 3 week waiting time for deliveries... but we've still got enough food. And toilet paper, too. :lol:  I guess my constant ordering and hoarding of too many things was not bad in this case.

 

People around here don't seem to take the "stay home" advice very seriously, and they walk across our property all the time. (Not that much of a problem regarding corona since I won't go outside and talk to them anyway, but annoying.)

 

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our fear is border closures. I hope they don't do that before thursday, or at least the monday after next

 

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@Starscream

I wish you all the best and good luck for your move!

 

@olympe

That sounds really stressful :( I send you a lot of strength and fortitude to cope with all the heavy work!

 

My sister-in-law called today that she has digestive problems and doesn't feel well at all. As she works for the city and has to be in-house there she couldn't stay away from everything. Normally this should not be of much concern, but it appears that there are indeed some people who first have problems with the intestines and less with the respiratory system, so one can't be sure. For now she will only rest, drink much and rest more, and we need to monitor the situation. My parents wanted to visit them today but gladly decided against it after all. (I think I mentioned that my dad can be very irresponsible and one can't argue with him as he insists that he is always right...)

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@Astreya It could be worse. Lots of work keeps me from checking the numbers *hourly* or so. Right now, they're so awful that I'm glad for any distraction. Even work. 

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20 minutes ago, olympe said:

@Astreya It could be worse. Lots of work keeps me from checking the numbers *hourly* or so. Right now, they're so awful that I'm glad for any distraction. Even work. 

if I lack internet when I get to my house, I will be grateful for it - I think.

 

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Understandable. Although I have to admit I do check the numbers of my home town daily, if only to make an educated guess how risky< it is to go shopping.

 

We shut down comparatively early as I mentioned before, and it seems that here the numbers are growing pretty much linear and thankfully not exponentially, so I'd say there is hope:

 

Expanded time line from my home town (population 211 000)

 

- 13 March: 8 confirmed cases, 60 persons quarantined

- 3 mobile teams are sent to people at home to test them on doctor's orders

- 14 March: 10 confirmed cases, 139 persons quarantined

- A drive through was set up where 100 person per day can be tested on doctor's orders, the mobile teams additionally test people who aren't mobile

- 15 March - all cultural facilities (theatres, museums, libraries, swimming pools etc) were closed by the city

- 16 March - all schools and kindergartens closed, all people coming from holidays were ordered to self-quarantine for 14 days, further contact reducing measure were set into motion.

- The second largest shopping centre (Bero-Zentrum, 100 shops) mostly closed down (only food markets and pharmacies stayed open)

- 17 March: 13 confirmed cases, 204 persons quarantined

- The largest shopping centre (CentrO, 250 shops) was forced to close as they didn't heed the recommendations by the town.

- 18 March: 18 confirmed cases, 236 persons quarantined

- 19 March: 26 confirmed cases, 193 persons quarantined, 77 people could leave quarantine

- 20 March: 35 confirmed cases, 247 persons quarantined, 108 people could leave quarantine

- Armin Laschet (Minister president of NRW) recommends that people stay at home and have fewer contacts

- 21 March: 36 confirmed cases, 295 persons quarantined, 108 people could leave quarantine

- 22 March: The German government government recommends even stricter contact limitations

- 23 March: 37 confirmed  cases, 363 persons quarantined, 133 people could leave quarantine

- 24 March: 38 confirmed  cases, 398 persons quarantined, 179 people could leave quarantine

- 25 March: 44 confirmed  cases, 222 persons quarantined, 181 people could leave quarantine

- 26 March: 48 confirmed  cases, 194 persons quarantined, 225 people could leave quarantine

- 27 March: 61 confirmed  cases, 132 persons quarantined, 300 people could leave quarantine

- 28 March: 63 confirmed  cases, 131 persons quarantined, 317 people could leave quarantine

(Somehow I'm a bit puzzled about the number of people in quarantine and who could leave, but I just report what is written on the city website)

Source: https://www.oberhausen.de/de/index/rathaus/verwaltung/umwelt-gesundheit-und-mobilitat/gesundheit/aktuelle_informationen/informationen_zum_coronavirus/aktuelle_meldungen.php

 

Oh, and I found a very good further website that gives a good overview over the regions in Germany:

https://www.zeit.de/wissen/gesundheit/2020-03/coronavirus-deutschland-infektionen-faelle-verbreitung-epidemie-karte

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Astreya said:

(Somehow I'm a bit puzzled about the number of people in quarantine and who could leave, but I just report what is written on the city website)

 

Well, I can't say anythig about your town but at least here the quaranteening still doesn't work very well. I was speaking on the phone with my mother yesterday and apparently there had been a confirmed case in her organisation (the city library, that is, but luckily not it the place where she works) with many employees exposed to infection. They were informed on their 14 days quarantine – two days after it was supposed to end. And these people work for the city, which means they should receive rather good instruction. Although, it was in our news a few days ago that Germany has been one of the most successfull countries in preventing and controlling the epidemic so far so I both hope and believe you're doing it better. Still, if it can be this chaotic, I guess at least some inaccuracies here and there can't be avoided.

 

But I have some good news from Finland: our government may finally be able to close those bars (as well as all restaurants and cafes, of course) on Monday. I also got an official SMS today from the police that my area has been isolated. Even our president (not my favourite person, generally, but that's another story) stated publicly that he can't understand people not following the government's orders and recommendations which have been given to support the welfare of us all. I truly wish Finnish people would start to take this seriously, rather sooner than later. My impression has been that some panic and others protest. Neither is good, we should concentrate things that each of us can do to help the situation, social distancing probably being most important.

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4 hours ago, Starscream said:

our fear is border closures. I hope they don't do that before thursday, or at least the monday after next

 

 

Which way are you heading ? Some of the Maritimes have already effectively closed them.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/covid-19-new-brunswick-provincial-border-checkpoints-higgs-1.5509870

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