The Sense BSA

[Sashimi]

Tried searching for this, didn't find.

The BSA could also be named differently but this is what I came up with

 

So the Sense BSA:

 

It would work as the Aeon Wyvern's Precognition works to reveal the gender: It would show if the pair you want to breed would refuse(then you would know if you certainly need to use Fertility or not). I think it shouldn't show anything else, like the likelihood of producing eggs, just to keep it interesting.

 

Also, it would be on an appropriate dragon breed, maybe one that is more sensitive towards feelings, etc.

 

What do you think, would it have any use?

[DragonLady86]

Generally, the idea is to pick a dragon THEN assign a BSA.

 

Why not just use fertility? your suggestion would require using a bsa on TWO dragons just to find out if you need to use ONE.  And Fertility has no down sides, it doesn't even wear off.  If you use it on a dragon and then don't breed it, even years later it will still be there waiting for you to do so.

 

Also, I'm not sure this would work; it's my understanding that the chance is rolled at the time of breeding.

[purplehaze]

I don't see the reasoning behind this, either. Use a BSA to see if you need to use a different BSA? Why not just use the BSA you already have? Purple Dragons are super easy to get, so why not just keep enough of them on hand to use when needed? Fertility only needs to be used the first time you breed a pair if you are trying to prevent refusals. After that they won't refuse (although they may not give you an egg).

[Fuzzbucket]

Like the others - I really can't see the point.

[RealWilliamShakespeare]

I can see the point. These arguments feel the same as saying "why use Precognition when you could just influence?" Because it shows if you need to. No point wasting a Pink/Purple if you don't need to, regardless of if they're easy to get. I'd quite like this BSA in the cave - not every BSA needs to be super heavily required imo, sometimes it can just be a little extra helpful thing :3

 

As a BSA, I suppose it could fit the Geminae Dragons, looking at their lore, but of course you'd need the creators' permissions, and I will agree with others that it's best not to shoehorn something onto a pre-existing dragon when it could better fit something new. It would be sweet if a sort of dragon breed existed called the "Matchmaker Dragons" or something, whose morbid curiosity and need for social interaction make them notorious for poking their noses into the affairs of other dragons  If you ever wanna make a dragon to match your BSA idea,  @Sashimi, I'd be happy to help  

[Fuzzbucket]

But you'd waste the BSA of the new one if using a BSA is a waste. As for Aeons - I use them not to see if I nee d to influence, but for when I pick up a hatchie or an egg that's too old to influence, to see if there is any point keeping it (as in, it won't work in my lineage.)

[Sazandora]

I have a billion and one uses for Aeons -- granted, it's during the Halloween event when I need to see if eggs that can't be influenced are going to misgender or not. Just because I might not need Precognition every day doesn't mean Aeons should suddenly lose it, because why use Precog when you have Influence? So yes, I'll add my support to this idea because the message for refusals stings like heck and I sure wouldn't mind a warning in advance, so I wouldn't be so disappointed if it does end up happening.

 

Maybe a little expansion to this idea too: maybe it could show the general compatibility of the pairing, and not just whether they'll refuse or not? The help section on breeding mentions there's a variable level of compatibility for a pair of dragons, and there are some cases where I'd love to have a concrete idea of whether this pairing is good, or if I should just ditch one of the dragons and get a new one as a replacement. Of course you can just keep on breeding and breeding and breeding to gauge it out for yourself, but it's not enough for me. This would just give me a straight answer on whether I should give up on this specific pairing or not.

[Shadowdrake]

28 minutes ago, Sazandora said:

Maybe a little expansion to this idea too: maybe it could show the general compatibility of the pairing, and not just whether they'll refuse or not? The help section on breeding mentions there's a variable level of compatibility for a pair of dragons, and there are some cases where I'd love to have a concrete idea of whether this pairing is good, or if I should just ditch one of the dragons and get a new one as a replacement.

 

I'd support this. Doing projects with commons is already hard enough; having many results be no interest only increases the frustration. I do wonder how refusal ties with general compatibility though--if a refusal was mitigated will it still always be very low compatibility or will it be re-rolled?

[Sashimi]

It could be I don't just have enough purples ^^ But if you're working on a lot of pairs, you do need a LOT of purples!

I think I just mostly hate to be dependant on one BSA breed when it comes to refusals, I kind of have to use it if I don't surely want it to happen. 

But the topic is open to any ideas.

 

3 hours ago, RealWilliamShakespeare said:

I can see the point. These arguments feel the same as saying "why use Precognition when you could just influence?" Because it shows if you need to. No point wasting a Pink/Purple if you don't need to, regardless of if they're easy to get. I'd quite like this BSA in the cave - not every BSA needs to be super heavily required imo, sometimes it can just be a little extra helpful thing :3

 

As a BSA, I suppose it could fit the Geminae Dragons, looking at their lore, but of course you'd need the creators' permissions, and I will agree with others that it's best not to shoehorn something onto a pre-existing dragon when it could better fit something new. It would be sweet if a sort of dragon breed existed called the "Matchmaker Dragons" or something, whose morbid curiosity and need for social interaction make them notorious for poking their noses into the affairs of other dragons  If you ever wanna make a dragon to match your BSA idea,  @Sashimi, I'd be happy to help  

 

This is exactly what I was thinking! I was actually thinking about it on a Soulstone first - although a BSA-valentine probably would be too HC xD So yeah, it probably would require a whole new breed. Matchmaker dragons sound fantastic, maybe we should elaborate that  But definitely something like that, cupid-like breed :3 Yeah I don't know if this would be the most useful BSA in the game, but it would be a nice addition, just like Aeon Wyverns are.

 

1 hour ago, Sazandora said:

Maybe a little expansion to this idea too: maybe it could show the general compatibility of the pairing, and not just whether they'll refuse or not? The help section on breeding mentions there's a variable level of compatibility for a pair of dragons, and there are some cases where I'd love to have a concrete idea of whether this pairing is good, or if I should just ditch one of the dragons and get a new one as a replacement. Of course you can just keep on breeding and breeding and breeding to gauge it out for yourself, but it's not enough for me. This would just give me a straight answer on whether I should give up on this specific pairing or not.

 

Yeah this would be good too! Maybe the "Matchmakers" would show the percent or sth and then you could use a purple to enhance it?

[HeatherMarie]

First, you'd probably need some more information from TJ about how breeding/refusals actually work. Like DragonLady86, my understanding of refusals (and breeding in general) has always been that it's basically a dice-roll when you actually breed. If refusals are somehow planned ahead of time, then sure, but if refusals are a dice-throw at that specific moment of breeding, a suggestion like this would require a total overhaul to how refusals work. 

 

Second, I kind of agree that this would sort of be redundant? I get the idea, I really do, but... Fertility. I mean, okay, so you use a BSA to find out if a pair is likely to refuse.... If the answer is yes, you still need to use Fertility. Why go that round-about way when you can just use Fertility and be done with it? (And I really don't think it's comparable to Aeons, since Aeons serve a function when Influence *can't* be used because of low-time or hatchling.) 

 

Also, if this is going to be added to a whole new breed, then it doesn't belong here anymore. Breed suggestions go in Dragon Requests and we aren't really supposed to try to flesh out new breeds in the main Suggestions area. (Just saying from prior experience.)

[OMGitsKairi]

3 hours ago, Sazandora said:

Maybe a little expansion to this idea too: maybe it could show the general compatibility of the pairing, and not just whether they'll refuse or not? The help section on breeding mentions there's a variable level of compatibility for a pair of dragons, and there are some cases where I'd love to have a concrete idea of whether this pairing is good, or if I should just ditch one of the dragons and get a new one as a replacement. 

 

I feel like this would be an aspect of the BSA that I would find more useful. I had a pair of dragons that took me months to get a single egg from. So if there was a "compatibility check" aspect of this BSA I would use the heck out of it.

[olympe]

18 hours ago, OMGitsKairi said:

 

I feel like this would be an aspect of the BSA that I would find more useful. I had a pair of dragons that took me months to get a single egg from. So if there was a "compatibility check" aspect of this BSA I would use the heck out of it.

I very much agree with this. Adding a general compatibility check to it would make the BSA much more useful, yet not overpowered. 

 

That being said, TJ himself once stated that he was re-thinking his policy of giving every BSA to only one breed. Adding the same or a very similar BSA to a different breed never actually hurts, and allows for more choice in which breeds to get.

 

I remember this being discussed for Incubate and Incubate-like BSAs. For example, Reds aren't the only heat-based breed. Thus, Incubate could be given to Spitfires and Magmas and probably a bunch of other breeds. True, it wouldn't be 100% breed-specific, but specific to a small number of breeds. And it would allow players who really don't like Reds (for whatever reason) to collect a different breed for Incubating.

Alternately, to stay with the example above, Spitfires and Magmas could get an Incubate-like BSA. Maybe Spitfires could get their own Incubate that takes off 4 hours for every full day an egg has left. (This amounts to 28 hours for a 7 day egg, 24 hours for an egg with 6 days to 6 d 23 h left, 20 hours for an egg with 5 d to 5 d 23 h left and so on.) And maybe Magmas could have a super-Incubate that takes off 1.5 days, but has a risk of killing the egg, or it could only work on eggs with fire elemental affinity. Of course, the different versions of Incubate couldn't be used on the same egg for obvious reasons.

 

So, in essence, while giving the (almost) same BSA to a different breed doesn't seem to make much sense or add to the game, it might benefit the players who don't like the original BSA breeds, as well as players who are still at the beginning of their collection and don't have an army of any breed yet. So, yes, I change my mind to tentatively support this.