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only issue with ap walls is that most of the ones breed are not breed in any sort of lineage or with good mates, its often just random pairings that make no sense and no body wants it, I'm fine with walls even for extended periods of time as long as those eggs in the ap are thought out, most people end up using their kill slots to clear the wall, which really sucks cause then we can't try for zombies and such. Now zombie ratios need work. New releases should even out in a year, anything over a year is just plain ridiculous. but the current time frames for releases and breedings is fine with me, even the ratio's can be worked with, its just some breed everything thinking it'll change ratios, but it doesn't it just increases numbers.  I've had great success with gildeds to hooktalons because i do hooktalon MB with just itself before i try the hooktalon to gilded bloodscale. Anyone trying to get a targ from a blackfyre will know how hard that is. lol

 

the rations are not a problem for rares like golds and metals, thats more of a scripting problem imo. Or Some people with really quick reflexes catch the rares all the time, you just need better internet speeds and be closer to the servers apparently.hahaha or catch them during holidays when people are distracted by the other stuff, I've actually caught rares this way, of course you miss out on everything else.

 

so only real thing i see as an issue is the longevity of the skewered rations, keep it under a year then get it to normal levels, others just need patience.

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Does anyone know if there are any plans to add a new BSA to help choosing the breed of the egg created? I understand it would not be ideal for breeds such as prizes or Metals (gold and silver mainly), but a BSA for common/uncommon breeds would be a MAJOR improvement for everyone. It can be something like boosting one breed's chance for the egg created, and have it not stack to other BSAs and not work on rare breeds to keep it from being abused. But I think we all can agree that some breeds are just way too much when breeding to others, I'm pretty sure it ruins breeding plans people might have.

 

I mean, I've been working on a lineage project that I can't move forwards because the pairing I have (Undine x Freckled) has NOT ONCE given me an Undine egg, and they have 14 children... I mean, I understand one breed may be more common, but not like this, its way too much. I have an (Undine x Red) pair and they needed 7 eggs to give me a Red, completely uneven yes, but I can understand that. But 14-0 its just absurd. We DO NEED a way to even it out, maybe not a guaranteed boost, but better than 100%-0% for sure.

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Idk if its my own superstition, but I have recently found that breeding a few eggs of the ‘wrong’ breed sometimes helps. 
 

I did this at least for an angelis x gold, angelis x silver and water x almerald and got the gold, silver and water :) 

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I also agree on number 2. I have a project I want to do with white/undines, and I've got 8 CB pairs. I want either undine or white eggs out of them but after 12 breedings (so far) spread out over the 8 pairs, I've gotten nothing but Amalthean eggs. And yea, I want an amalthean at the end, but not until generation 4. I know the amaltheans are brand new and whatnot, but I havent gotten a single white or undine egg from any of them whatsoever. 

 

Personally, I also think 1 is a problem as well. I've been on the site for 12 years and have never seen a gold or silver in the cave, let alone caught one. But I know too many people dont think its an issue so thats a battle I'm not going to bother fighting. 

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On 6/10/2020 at 2:50 AM, Fuzzbucket said:

If this is a CB pair, have you tried switching mates ? Worked for me....

 

https://dragcave.net/progeny/6mKdW (and I have others...)

 

Its not a CB pair issue, at least not on my lineage project, tho thanks for the suggestion.

 

 

On 6/10/2020 at 3:33 AM, Ruffledfeathers said:

Idk if its my own superstition, but I have recently found that breeding a few eggs of the ‘wrong’ breed sometimes helps. 
 

I did this at least for an angelis x gold, angelis x silver and water x almerald and got the gold, silver and water :) 

 

I've been suggested that before and while I understand it can help, it SHOULDN'T have to be the go to option. But that aside, in my case I don't have that many Freckles I can use to try that option anyway. And I have this issue with other breeds too, which I don't have many either, I get some breeds as they release and/or just to complete the data sometimes, so in most cases I have maybe 1 more pair I can try using.

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The thing is, as far as we can tell without access to the code, the degree of compatibility between dragons is variable. If you get a "not interested" message, for example, you should for certain switch mates because that message indicates that while they are capable of producing an egg the chance of that is severely reduced. On the other hand, a "no egg produced" or the wrong breed produced indicates more compatibility. Plus for some reason it appears that the chance of a particular result - i.e. the specific breed this specific pair will produce, is also somewhat variable. So if A + B gives the wrong breed A + C might have a different chance to produce the right one.

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9 minutes ago, Fiona said:

If you get a "not interested" message, for example, you should for certain switch mates because that message indicates that while they are capable of producing an egg the chance of that is severely reduced.

This seems to be "common knowledge" but honestly I have not usually found it to be the case. When I am breeding my Z'code lineages I have limited possibilities when it comes to mates. So I tend not to change out mates unless I get repeated "no interest" results. Even dragons who have given that result on their first breeding, with fertility, often go on to produce eggs nearly every time in the future, even without the use of fertility. I see no difference in likelihood of success in the future between a "no egg" and a "no interest" result. And I have been breeding my z dragons every week for years and keeping records of breeding results. I breed each pair until they give me a z-code offspring, which can take many, many breedings! Only very occasionally have I found a pair that I have needed to switch out because of repeated breeding failures. Your results may vary, of course, but that has been my observation.

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I could indeed be wrong about the issue. My experience with "not interested" pairs has been it's been a struggle to get anything from them. Of course, I tend to breed more rare x something pairs than anything else.

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31 minutes ago, Fiona said:

I could indeed be wrong about the issue. My experience with "not interested" pairs has been it's been a struggle to get anything from them. Of course, I tend to breed more rare x something pairs than anything else.

Well, it is not just you. I see people saying it all the time around the forum. I am just relating my experience, not trying to negate what anyone else has found.

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I would agree that a single no interest simply means that; they don't want to make an egg this week, period, and it has no effect on their future breedings, whereas multiple no interests in a row is more suggestive that the couple itself is low compatibility. Similar to how a "no egg" once in awhile doesn't mean the breed itself is rare, but a lot of no-eggs is probably due to rarity.

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My first silver gave me "no interest" or occasionally a refusal on every mate I offered her for over a year. I did eventually get eggs from her, but she was the most picky dragon ever. Lol I have heard the no interest idea before but I also heard it equated to "I have a headache". Which is what I would say one instance is. Multiple, and yes, switch mates.

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Honestly, in regards to #3, I think it should be at 48 hour drop for them with 0 mixes in. I have came in a day late and had to sit for 2-3 days just finding the eggs again cuz they'd immediately be mixed back in.

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