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In the discussion for a BSA to influence breeds (https://forums.dragcave.net/topic/183688-bsa-to-influence-breed/) the question came up about ways to influence color for breeds in which the dragon's color is left to random chance, such as Dorsals, Gemshards, Nebulas, Striped dragons from a Striped x Striped pairing, and others. Possibly also included are alts for Blacks, Dark Greens, and Undines. The suggestion doesn't seem to fit very well with the breed-influencing BSA, but it might work well as a BSA of its own.

 

This BSA would not affect breeds that have a mechanic in place for determining color (Siyats determined by incubation period, Spinels and Coppers determined by parent, breeds where the color depends on when the egg is laid, etc).

 

Specifics of how the BSA would best work, how to weigh the success rate, and what dragon it would be best for are up for discussion.

 

The breed-influencing BSA is proposed to have its success weighed according to the breed's rarity, and something similar would probably work well here so as not to throw off ratios for colors which are supposed to be rarer.

 

There are a number of breeds that might be good to have the BSA. Any breed that has multiple color variations would be fitting. Duotone dragons could also work because of how they change color as they grow.

 

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First of all, the true alts: blacks, vines and undines, may be left to pure chance but it's a weighted chance. The alts are intended to be rare, so I don't think a BSA to influence getting those more reliably would be accepted. I suggest that this suggestion proceed without including those in the discussion. I'm hesitant to see Stripe x Stripe breedings included only because Stripe x anything else is coded to specific results. Otherwise I'd love a way to influence which Stripe you get from purebred pairs because breeding to a pattern is quite frustrating.

 

As for what dragon should have this BSA, I don't think we currently have a breed in-cave that it works for, and TJ is fairly firm about not "shoehorning" a BSA onto a breed. Though this isn't the place for suggestions for new breeds, I think talking about what sort of characteristics makes sense for a breed with a BSA like this does make sense, while discussing the specifics on how it should work, and maybe even lore surrounding why it would work.

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Like you said, this isn't the place for proposing new dragons, and I'm not really sure what the proper way is to discuss a potential BSA here and a potential dragon for the BSA in the subforum.

 

What about something like a pixie-themed dragon (maybe a pygmy?) based on the folkloric idea of pixies painting the flowers in spring and changing the color of leaves in autumn?

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Isn't there an actual rarity difference between Purple Ridewings and Dorsals and Tan/Red ones? It's small but I'm pretty sure there's supposed to be one (purple is more common). I feel like anything where one outcome is meant to be rarer should be left alone.

 

How would actually picking the color work? Would you make a direct selection on the BSA screen? Would color align with the BSA dragon's color?

 

This should go to a Change-aligned dragon. Those are Magi, Air, Ice, and Time. Air and Ice make no sense so that leaves Magi or Time, probably Magi. The types of dragons you've mentioned giving it to, like Stripeds, are Neutral. I don't think Duotones are mentioned to be particularly magically inclined?

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17 minutes ago, Kovia said:

Isn't there an actual rarity difference between Purple Ridewings and Dorsals and Tan/Red ones? It's small but I'm pretty sure there's supposed to be one (purple is more common).

There is, and it is pretty significant, actually. You will see dozens of purple ones in the AP, but very rarely even one of the others.

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18 hours ago, purplehaze said:

There is, and it is pretty significant, actually. You will see dozens of purple ones in the AP, but very rarely even one of the others.

 

And I for one don't think it should be messed with by a BSA. (Even though I am building PB lineages of both !)

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19 hours ago, purplehaze said:

There is, and it is pretty significant, actually. You will see dozens of purple ones in the AP, but very rarely even one of the others.

 

26 minutes ago, Fuzzbucket said:

 

And I for one don't think it should be messed with by a BSA. (Even though I am building PB lineages of both !)

 

Yeah. That. 

 

I really don't think this suggestion would make much sense, or do much in the first place. Alts like Blacks/Vines/Undines can't be included because they are intended to be rare and already have some sort of mechanic due to that rarity.... Same goes with Ridgewings and Dorsals. Gemshards and Nebs I'm unsure about, not sure if they have different rarities for different colors. But yunno, in general, 'alts' are mostly *supposed* to be more rare than the other type. And, in my mind, they are also *supposed* to be a surprise, where you don't immediately know what type you will get. 

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It seems to be equal chance for Gemshards, Nebulae, and Stripes, and those are why I support this. I wouldn't know where to begin finding a dragon to have the BSA though.

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Does anyone know whether florets are equal chance or not? What about bred 2-headed lindwyrms and baikalas?

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On 8/17/2019 at 4:14 AM, purplehaze said:

You will see dozens of purple ones in the AP, but very rarely even one of the others.

Because people usually KEEP the non-purple variety. Better go by the parents' progeny listing than by what you see in the AP.

Happy counting:

 

As for 2-Headed Lindwyrms, offspring colour appears to be determined randomly, but only at the first breeding of a given couple, kinda like purebred but differently coloured Shimmerscales or Tinsels (except that 2 Prizes would never breed a colour that neither of the parents have).

 

2-Headed Lindwyrm samples:

purple from green parents: https://dragcave.net/lineage/n/it's not easy being purple

Offspring determination - taken from this lineage: https://dragcave.net/lineage/HhGCm:
https://dragcave.net/progeny/pWD0f

https://dragcave.net/progeny/3xSQ7

https://dragcave.net/progeny/clx0m (compare the blue mate at the top with the blue mate at the bottom)

https://dragcave.net/progeny/XNiH3 (first mate all green, second mate all blue)

https://dragcave.net/progeny/wdJrp

https://dragcave.net/progeny/zyxNY

https://dragcave.net/progeny/uTYKO

https://dragcave.net/progeny/w8V2k

 

Anyway, I would love a chance to influence the first offspring's colour on 2-Headed Lindwyrms, Tinsels and Shimmerscales. It's quite annoying to have to go BACK one generation and rebreed a PARENT when you need a specific colour and get the wrong one instead, with no chance of ever getting the other colour from that pair.

 

I would ALSO like a chance to influence Gemshard colour, though it usually doesn't take a lot of tries, for me at least, to get the right one. Nebulae are way more frustrating, really.

 

And Stripeds. See, there is a random element NOT only with purebred Stripeds.

https://dragcave.net/progeny/LuKb4

https://dragcave.net/progeny/IUjZL

See, for the even-gen version of the project, I first was unable to get a BLUE Striped, I got BLACK  3 times before I got the BLUE one, with plenty of Swallowtails in between.

And now for the stair version, I'm unable to get BLACK and instead only get BLUE and WHITE Stripeds in between all the Swallowtails. Oh, the despair!

edit: oh man, FINALLY! XD

Edited by Ruby Eyes

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