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1 minute ago, camelia2 said:

it can't hatch before 4 days so logicly it isn't developed yet

Earthquake, forcing through the Kill action ... they succeed rarely, but these *are* methods to make a fully-cracked egg hatch early.

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2 hours ago, Ruby Eyes said:

Earthquake, forcing through the Kill action ... they succeed rarely, but these *are* methods to make a fully-cracked egg hatch early.

Haven't you wondered why it succed so rarely? They're premature babies! That's why they usually just die. 

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Just now, camelia2 said:

Haven't you wondered why it succed so rarely? They're premature babies! That's why they usually just die. 

Haven't you wondered how a forced hatchie runs away if it weren't developed?

 

Things that small and fragile usually die because too much force is used. And Earthquake is quite an unreliable force.

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6 hours ago, Ruby Eyes said:

Haven't you wondered how a forced hatchie runs away if it weren't developed?

 

Things that small and fragile usually die because too much force is used. And Earthquake is quite an unreliable force.

 

This. Also who says our logic applies in Galsreim.

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On 11/7/2018 at 7:02 PM, Ruby Eyes said:

Haven't you wondered how a forced hatchie runs away if it weren't developed?

 

Things that small and fragile usually die because too much force is used. And Earthquake is quite an unreliable force.

And usually they *do* die. Those who run away are the strongest 😉

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I don't see the need for this. Just think before you influence. Being able to 100% guarantee the gender of your dragon via BSA, and even be able to check it beforehand via BSA, makes gendering dragons easy enough. If you mess that up, there shouldn't be a re-do button. If you mess up and absolutely DO need a reset, we already have numerous options in place. Tele-bounce it to somebody and back to yourself or if it hatches, post it up for a genderswap trade. Too unique or rare to get a genderswap? Should've put a bit more thought in before you influenced.

 

I also don't not support this idea.  I don't like the idea of making things any easier than they already are but if we insist, there should be some real world basis around it. In herpetology, egg temperature is raised or lowered to alter phenotypical traits of the offspring, as well as gender. It's raised or lowered, but not raised and lowered. Such fluctuations in egg temperature would increase the chances of deformity and embryo mortality, but since we can't make deformed dragons, influencing an egg that has already been influenced once before should carry a risk of killing the egg. Similar to how vampire's BSA can kill eggs.

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3 minutes ago, Camilo543HF said:

I don't see the need for this. Just think before you influence. Being able to 100% guarantee the gender of your dragon via BSA, and even be able to check it beforehand via BSA, makes gendering dragons easy enough. If you mess that up, there shouldn't be a re-do button. If you mess up and absolutely DO need a reset, we already have numerous options in place. Tele-bounce it to somebody and back to yourself or if it hatches, post it up for a genderswap trade. Too unique or rare to get a genderswap? Should've put a bit more thought in before you influenced.

 

I also don't not support this idea.  I don't like the idea of making things any easier than they already are but if we insist, there should be some real world basis around it. In herpetology, egg temperature is raised or lowered to alter phenotypical traits of the offspring, as well as gender. It's raised or lowered, but not raised and lowered. Such fluctuations in egg temperature would increase the chances of deformity and embryo mortality, but since we can't make deformed dragons, influencing an egg that has already been influenced once before should carry a risk of killing the egg. Similar to how vampire's BSA can kill eggs.

Just going to note Influence has a fail chance, it's not 100%.

 

Other than that, your logic makes sense, though I will admit I think the suggestion would be nice.

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Just now, DuskOfTheStars said:

Just going to note Influence has a fail chance, it's not 100%.

 

Other than that, your logic makes sense, though I will admit I think the suggestion would be nice.

Really? Thanks for informing me! I'd actually never had an influence fail since I started in 2011, so I made the assumption. 

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Just now, Camilo543HF said:

Really? Thanks for informing me! I'd actually never had an influence fail since I started in 2011, so I made the assumption. 

Easy mistake, so no worries! It's a very small chance, but it is there.

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I support this suggestion, especially as there's that slim chance of Influence failing. I've only had that happen to me once, but it's still possible.

 

Will Precog be useful for determining that, actually? If it is, this becomes doubly-useful-- Influence, then Precog to make sure it worked. If it did, great; if it didn't, then you're forced to bounce the egg and try again if you can't re-Influence it. Maybe some balance in having to Influence the other gender first to go back to the one you want, then having to check again-- using up three Influences and two Precogs, likely-- making it helpful but not the most desirable course of action.

 

Am I rambling? I feel like I am.

 

Either way, support.

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? YES you can use precog to be sure it worked. BUT influence STILL won't hold through teleport.

 

And yes it's not 100%. MY poor first Shimmer - a much loved gift who.... - was also my first influence fail.

 

https://dragcave.net/lineage/iJbJ2  :(

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I would definitely support this. I've misinfluenced (is that even a word?) eggs before and am not one who bounces eggs to remove the influence, so this would be handy for me.

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I'd still be interested in this, for all the reasons already stated. Influence has a 100% chance of success now, but its potential to fail was never my motivation, so I still would love to see this.

 

On 11/17/2018 at 10:00 PM, Camilo543HF said:

I also don't not support this idea.  I don't like the idea of making things any easier than they already are but if we insist, there should be some real world basis around it. In herpetology, egg temperature is raised or lowered to alter phenotypical traits of the offspring, as well as gender. It's raised or lowered, but not raised and lowered. Such fluctuations in egg temperature would increase the chances of deformity and embryo mortality, but since we can't make deformed dragons, influencing an egg that has already been influenced once before should carry a risk of killing the egg. Similar to how vampire's BSA can kill eggs.

Late response, sorry! I'm not sure I can get behind this reasoning - the "bounce the egg and then re-influence it" solution we have at the moment has this exact same herpatological problem, doesn't it? You've accidentally raised the temperature of the egg; you bounce it with teleport and the effect wears off; now you lower the temperature of the same egg, and it works, entirely without damaging the dragon. (You can even do this as often as you'd like until the egg hits the 3d mark.)

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Support. Much more convenient than bouncing for group players, and accessible for solo players.

 

As far as in-game consequences go, correcting an influence would go from 2 Influences + 1 Teleport --> 2 Influences, which I don't think is too great a loss for people concerned with punishing players for mistakes.

Onceyou get enough BSA dragons, an extra Influence/Teleport or two really isn't a significant deterrent anyway. At worst it's an inconvenience that imo is not worth preserving.

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Support, you still ahve limited use of how many Pink dragons you have..

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On 5/2/2020 at 2:58 PM, pinkgothic said:

I'd still be interested in this, for all the reasons already stated. Influence has a 100% chance of success now, but its potential to fail was never my motivation, so I still would love to see this.

 

Late response, sorry! I'm not sure I can get behind this reasoning - the "bounce the egg and then re-influence it" solution we have at the moment has this exact same herpatological problem, doesn't it? You've accidentally raised the temperature of the egg; you bounce it with teleport and the effect wears off; now you lower the temperature of the same egg, and it works, entirely without damaging the dragon. (You can even do this as often as you'd like until the egg hits the 3d mark.)

I definitely see your point, but I see the bounce and re-influence method as more of a work-around than an actual intended function that can be explained.

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