Posted August 26, 2018 While we may already have forum threads for one-way trades and gifting, that’s a pretty flawed argument. We already had trading threads but the trading hub still got implemented. To me it doesn’t seem to make that much sense to have one trading hub without the other when they’re both largely used. It’s also very inefficient, somewhat annoying, and out-of-place to clog the trading hub with one-ways requiring dummies, when the simple solution is to create a separate area for them. Share this post Link to post
Posted August 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, HeatherMarie said: While I do understand muscle memory and skipping over stuff you've read a bajillion times, if there was a *new*, bolded message, like the one I mentioned similar to the current public-trade message, that specifies that public one-ways will show up in the public hub and can be claimed with no further input... Would that be okay? Also, it might be a good idea to require confirmation on public ones-ways, since they *can* be claimed with no further input and that is irreversible, much like the irreversible actions we already have confirmations for (kill, abandon, etc). It might be problematic if the new bolded message is too similar to any of the old messages. Confirmation doesn't really help because a) muscle memory and b) auto-fill function, especially for passwords. What's wrong with putting public one-ways as far away as possible from the other kinds of teleports? (Yes, I'd like to see some space between public one-ways and the rest to avoid misclicks...) And what's wrong with a one-minute grace period for the kind of "OOPS!!!!" you notice just after posting? And what's wrong with posting trades where you ask for very little ('dummies') in exchange? These things tend to get picked up in minutes if you offer something worth offering. (Trust me, the trading hub is very efficient that way.) So, there's hardly any clogging taking place - unless the poster takes their sweet little time, of course. Share this post Link to post
Posted August 26, 2018 (edited) 48 minutes ago, olympe said: It might be problematic if the new bolded message is too similar to any of the old messages. Confirmation doesn't really help because a) muscle memory and b) auto-fill function, especially for passwords. What's wrong with putting public one-ways as far away as possible from the other kinds of teleports? (Yes, I'd like to see some space between public one-ways and the rest to avoid misclicks...) And what's wrong with a one-minute grace period for the kind of "OOPS!!!!" you notice just after posting? And what's wrong with posting trades where you ask for very little ('dummies') in exchange? These things tend to get picked up in minutes if you offer something worth offering. (Trust me, the trading hub is very efficient that way.) So, there's hardly any clogging taking place - unless the poster takes their sweet little time, of course. Having two separate tabs in the navigation bar: Cave - Account - Dragons - Gifting - Trading - Help - Forum If there were two distinct and sufficiently separate pages, I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be any mishaps with people accidentally posting a one-way, when it is intended as Gifting rather than trading. Also, if you want to trade for very little in exchange, that's fine. If you specifically want something, no matter how small, in return, that's a trade. But if you want nothing at all, you literally just want to give away an egg, there should be a separate Gifting area for that. Edited August 26, 2018 by RealWilliamShakespeare Share this post Link to post
Posted August 26, 2018 (edited) Why"should" ? A lot of us are quite happy with the "offer a dummy" option in the main hub. I don't think it "should" stay that way - but it is what I'd prefer. Less pages, faster action. Edited August 26, 2018 by Fuzzbucket Share this post Link to post
Posted August 26, 2018 That, plus the option to spread out gifts, choose giftees on criteria of your own, not gifting users you've made some "bad" experience with... While I barely exercise these options, I like for them to be present. Share this post Link to post
Posted August 26, 2018 If we get a public transfer option (which I don't think is necessary, but I wouldn't mind if it was there) maybe it could look something like this? Only, uh, prettier. Spoiler In short, something with icons that make it clear what one-way and two-way means. Although the distinction between Transfer and Public Transfer is so important that maybe there should be something additional to make it more visible? ... I may be too paranoid. I just don't want lots of heartbroken inexperienced users who accidentally sent something to the public for free when it was meant to be a trade or a gift to a specific person. Share this post Link to post
Posted August 26, 2018 16 minutes ago, Confused Cat said: If we get a public transfer option (which I don't think is necessary, but I wouldn't mind if it was there) maybe it could look something like this? Only, uh, prettier. Reveal hidden contents In short, something with icons that make it clear what one-way and two-way means. Although the distinction between Transfer and Public Transfer is so important that maybe there should be something additional to make it more visible? ... I may be too paranoid. I just don't want lots of heartbroken inexperienced users who accidentally sent something to the public for free when it was meant to be a trade or a gift to a specific person. If Trading and Gifting aren't to be on separate pages, I really like this and think it's a really good and clear distinction Share this post Link to post
Posted August 26, 2018 26 minutes ago, Confused Cat said: If we get a public transfer option (which I don't think is necessary, but I wouldn't mind if it was there) maybe it could look something like this? Only, uh, prettier. Hide contents In short, something with icons that make it clear what one-way and two-way means. Although the distinction between Transfer and Public Transfer is so important that maybe there should be something additional to make it more visible? ... I may be too paranoid. I just don't want lots of heartbroken inexperienced users who accidentally sent something to the public for free when it was meant to be a trade or a gift to a specific person. this is actually a very good representation of what i had in mind for this, it is very distinct and easy to see the difference between the two. Share this post Link to post
Posted August 26, 2018 (edited) There's still the risk of misclicking the public transfer thing instead of the private transfer, which I consider a bit of a risk... Alternately, how about this: After you've arranged the gifting link, you get the option to post it on the (yet to be made) gifting hub. Edited August 26, 2018 by olympe Share this post Link to post
Posted August 26, 2018 A text box on it makes sense - partially for haves, partially so you can at least ask for certain treatment. Share this post Link to post
Posted August 26, 2018 You may not ask for certain treatment. When an egg leaves your scroll, you have no control over what happens to it at all. The recipient gets to do as they wish. The box is for what you want to receive for your trade, not for what you want someone else to do with your egg/hatchie. I would bet asking for "no killing", or "continue lineage" would get you modded. Share this post Link to post
Posted August 26, 2018 44 minutes ago, Fuzzbucket said: You may not ask for certain treatment. When an egg leaves your scroll, you have no control over what happens to it at all. The recipient gets to do as they wish. The box is for what you want to receive for your trade, not for what you want someone else to do with your egg/hatchie. I would bet asking for "no killing", or "continue lineage" would get you modded. It doesn't necessarily need to work that way on a gifting hub. Share this post Link to post
Posted August 26, 2018 Exactly. But more to the point, you cannot tell other people what to do with THEIR eggs. Even if you DID give them those eggs. Share this post Link to post
Posted August 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Fuzzbucket said: Exactly. But more to the point, you cannot tell other people what to do with THEIR eggs. Even if you DID give them those eggs. I'd like to be able to at least (be allowed to) ask. I'd prefer that dragons I give out actually be used to the benefit of people and not just get vampired etc. Share this post Link to post
Posted August 26, 2018 I don't think you will ever be allowed to do that outside of the forum. Share this post Link to post
Posted August 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, osmarks said: I'd like to be able to at least (be allowed to) ask. I'd prefer that dragons I give out actually be used to the benefit of people and not just get vampired etc. The best way to do that is with a two-way trade then. So you know who it's going to and don't have to let it go to someone who will probably vamp it. *Gifts* are just that, gifts, no strings, no buts, no conditions. Allowing a box for conditions, even just 'asking' for those conditions, will lead to people getting angry if those conditions aren't met, complaining and calling out specific users who ignored those conditions, possibly even viewbomb-retaliation for ignoring those conditions. Once it leaves your scroll you have *no* right to *anything* regarding that dragon, and a box would imply that you do. So no, please no box. I really like @Confused Cat's mock-up, visually splitting up the trades from the transfers, that's a great way to show the actual difference. Share this post Link to post
Posted August 26, 2018 Does one need a have box for a gift ? Fair enough I suppose - to distinguish CB from 7th check Thuwed checker.... Share this post Link to post
Posted August 26, 2018 I believe it's probably best that if you want to lower your risk of your gift being vampired or killed, and you find that you prefer to communicate when gifting, then it seems just fine to post your gift on the forum instead because that is what the forum is for in particular: communication. I'm not under the impression that if this feature was added that the gifting sections of the forum would be removed. I also agree with what @HeatherMarie said about the box. If anything, though, it would have to be very restricted with what you say about your egg; in fact, you should only be allowed to describe what you have and not who is allowed to take it. @Fuzzbucket Basically what you said just now. Share this post Link to post
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