Trade chaos

[MIGOR]

Hello

 

I believe, topic "Trading" demands some changes.

 

For instance. I have CB silver to trade. I can put my offer in following topics: Cave Born Trading, Metallic trade center and in A dragon trading thread. Because of that, some topics have more then many hundreds pages.My idea is: you can make an offer trade in just one thread. And in only this thread you can "bump" post in 24h. I know, it would mean more work for mods, but I believe, order will be established in few weeks. And so the whole "trading" would be much more transparent and my trade offer will not be on third page of "A dragon trading thread" in few hours and many players will not see it..

 

Happy hunting to all and good trading

Edited May 5, 2018 by MIGOR

[Tears in Rain]

Idk, personally I actually like the option of cross-posting  And its good to know that your trades can appear in several sections - to me, trade threads are smth like 'filters', like specific criteria for trade posts. If my trade meets more than one criterion, I like being able to display it in more than one of those 'filters' and make sure that whoever checks a specific thread for dragons they're after (e.g. CaveBorns) will stumble upon my trade if I have a CaveBorn dragon for trade. If that ends up being no longer allowed, then I can no longer be sure that my trade will definitely be even exposed to the target audience so to speak, let alone be seen by them (using the same example, the user would check the 'Cave Born Trading' topic, but not the 'A dragon trading thread' - if my post is made in the latter, it will be missed even though it's a CaveBorn, aka what the user is checking 'Cave Born Trading' for).

 

To me, it's not a big deal to look through a couple pages, threads don't seem to move excessively fast in my book, but maybe that's just me  

 

Anyway, no support from me, tho I understand where you are coming from  

[The Dragoness]

No support from me. This isn't really something I've ever been troubled by; it's only a few extra clicks. I also agree with what Tears in Rain said about trading threads acting like filters.

[purpledragonclaw]

I disagree. Truthfully, one thread doesn't give much exposure for a trade. If everyone was confined to one thread it would have about 5 pages an hour and trades would get buried quickly. Being able to post in more than one thread increases the chance of you trading your dragon. I know overlap can happen, but I don't think it's unmanageable (although the threads need cleaning, I need to make time to do that). 

[StormWizard212]

Personally, I like other people posting their trades in any and all relevant threads. It means when I'm looking for a trade myself, I can go to a thread that is relevant to what I'm looking for, rather than having to sift through all the posts in just one thread. If people were only allowed to post their trades in one thread, they might not necessarily prioritise the thread that I would for that particular dragon. To use your example of a CB Silver, the owner might decide to put it in the metallic trading thread, where I rarely look. I do, however, look in the CB trading thread a lot. If we were only allowed post trades in one thread, you'd potentially end up looking through more threads to make sure you haven't missed something you want.

 

Besides, I don't think trading threads are actually that busy. When I think back to a few years ago when the forum was generally much more active, I remember trade posts getting buried very quickly, but not so much anymore. The current page of the Rare Trading Bazaar, for example, still has posts from Tuesday 4+ days later. Going back one page in The Metallic Trade Center displays trades from 6+ days ago. You don't actually have to click back very far at all to find active, current trades.

 

So for those reasons, I don't support this suggestion. I don't think it would actually make anything quicker or more efficient, to be honest. I think it would actually be more frustrating. 

[HeatherMarie]

I agree with others, especially @StormWizard212's point. If you have to choose only one thread to post your trade in, honestly a *lot* less people will see it because not everyone will check that one thread. I already have trades that can take over 24 hours to be offered on, limiting my trade posts to one thread would probably drag that out even more (and I'd honestly probably just get annoyed and stop trading as much). The fact that a lot of trades fit the criteria of multiple threads (metallic, CB, etc) is a *good* thing, it gives the trade more exposure and it's more likely that the right person will see it.

 

edit: Also, most of the trading threads have tons of pages, yes, but they don't actually accumulate tons of pages every day. I just looked, and in the last 24 hours the CB thread has gotten less then 2 full pages of posts. Even the more inclusive 'dragon trading thread' has gotten less then 4 pages in the last 24 hours. 

Edited May 5, 2018 by HeatherMarie

[olympe]

What we need is an in-cave marketplace similar to the dragon market there was on EATW.  

[Fuzzbucket]

1 hour ago, The Dragoness said:

No support from me. This isn't really something I've ever been troubled by; it's only a few extra clicks. I also agree with what Tears in Rain said about trading threads acting like filters.

 

What she said. What I do wish is that trade threads were routinely cleaned out. There's no point looking at pages of trades from 2017 and so on ! I try and hide mine when they are over - it was better when we could actually delete them - but as far as I can seem most don't bother.

[Jazeki]

I... don't really support this. Imagine the sea of individual threads we would have to go through to find what we wanted if we were looking to trade with other people. 

[HeatherMarie]

1 hour ago, Fuzzbucket said:

 

What she said. What I do wish is that trade threads were routinely cleaned out. There's no point looking at pages of trades from 2017 and so on ! I try and hide mine when they are over - it was better when we could actually delete them - but as far as I can seem most don't bother.

 

Oh yes, definitely. It looks like many were cleaned January 2017, which is an awful long time ago for threads that often get multiple pages in one day. I'm sure it might be a difficult or long process for mods, but it definitely seems like those threads would benefit from a cleaning every 6 months or so. As you said, there is no point in keeping such old trade posts, especially when dragons grow fast enough that even trades from two weeks ago are invalid. 

[angelicdragonpuppy]

I also like being able to cross-post for many of the reasons mentioned above. It's also worth remembering that the new system IS way more exclusive than it used to be; prizes and metals used to be in the rare trade thread and the metal thread, as one example. 

[Whirlaway]

The more threads you post a trade in, the more chances it gets noticed. Just copy and paste the first trade post you make to make it easier :/.

Edited May 6, 2018 by Whirlaway

[Fiona]

It's not necessarily true that the more threads you post in the more your trade gets noticed, because the more people that do that the faster those threads move and the most posts in each of those threads gets buried. If everyone is cross-posting then you see the same trades over and over, and don't see older but still viable trades because they're a couple pages back.

 

That isn't to say we need more restrictive rules, but the OP isn't necessarily wrong in suggesting that cross posting creates its own issues. Cleaning out the threads may not help much because only the last few pages of each of the trading threads has anything current anyway. I always just start at the end and read back if I want something from a trade.

[purpledragonclaw]

9 hours ago, Fuzzbucket said:

 

What she said. What I do wish is that trade threads were routinely cleaned out. There's no point looking at pages of trades from 2017 and so on ! I try and hide mine when they are over - it was better when we could actually delete them - but as far as I can seem most don't bother.

 

8 hours ago, HeatherMarie said:

 

Oh yes, definitely. It looks like many were cleaned January 2017, which is an awful long time ago for threads that often get multiple pages in one day. I'm sure it might be a difficult or long process for mods, but it definitely seems like those threads would benefit from a cleaning every 6 months or so. As you said, there is no point in keeping such old trade posts, especially when dragons grow fast enough that even trades from two weeks ago are invalid. 

 

That's our fault for letting them build up. I'd meant to clean them weeks ago, but RL has kept me off the task. I'll try to at least start it tomorrow. Not saying this will solve the problem, but it should help if there are less pages to go through.