Unfreeze for old CB Holidays

[Dragon_Arbock]

Just because this is technically different from ADP's idea- 

I and several others have a few frozen CB hatchlings from pre 2013. This was before the overall breed limit was lifted, so freezing CBs didn't hurt anything because you couldn't lineage build with them due to the limit.

 

Now that CBs have been made available again, would it be possible to forgive the past and let our old CBs grow up? Otherwise, the only way to get a second CB is to release our old dragons that are special to us.

[angelicdragonpuppy]

While I would support this, the whole reason I made the "unfreeze option for everything" thread is because TJ shot down disallowing unfreezing just for specific cases, when I asked for the same back when limits on bred Christmas / Valentine dragons were lifted.

 

TJ can and has changed his mind before (the return of old holidays is proof, haha!), but just a head's up.

[AppleMango]

I support this, I like it much better than just ignoring them, but upping the limit is still my preffered option

[angelicdragonpuppy]

51 minutes ago, AppleMango said:

I support this, I like it much better than just ignoring them, but upping the limit is still my preffered option

 

The thing is, the argument if limits were raised would still be there, since presumably most people would like a nice tidy even number of CB adults (4).

[olympe]

Personally, I prefer an Unfreeze option that's applicable to all cases, but with limits (x unfreezes per period of time, with a very low number that should cover all old holidays within one year while still preventing abuse).

 

However, since circumstances changed (drastically) for (CB) holidays in particular, I'd be fine with that option, too. I only doubt it would help those people who are too attached to their CB feezies...

[Dragon_Arbock]

If I dump them, I'll just be stealing more CBs from newer players to replace them- and they wouldn't be the same. Wouldn't have four digit codes, the dates, or the 'cave' biome (and thus the cave biome breeding mechanics).
(actually, assuming the holiday biome does count as 'cave', then that makes my frozens post-biomes more important in that regard, like the Winter Magis).

 

I wouldn't care if the unfreeze was severely limited to the point that it would take me months to do it, so long as I could. My attachment to them is worth it enough that even if TJ ignores our pleas, I'm going to keep them. But if no limit rise comes in the future, it's going to be rather limiting.

Edited December 19, 2017 by Dragon_Arbock

[The Dragoness]

6 minutes ago, Dragon_Arbock said:

If I dump them, I'll just be stealing more CBs from newer players to replace them- and they wouldn't be the same. Wouldn't have four digit codes, the dates, or the 'cave' biome (and thus the cave biome breeding mechanics).

 

I wouldn't care if the unfreeze was severely limited to the point that it would take me months to do it, so long as I could. My attachment to them is worth it enough that even if TJ ignores our pleas, I'm going to keep them. But if no limit rise comes in the future, it's going to be rather limiting.

New CB Holidays still have the cave biome. You're right about codes and dates though.

 

I support this.

[Dragon_Arbock]

@The Dragoness you ninja'd me- just remembered and edited my post to say that my post-biomes would be the special ones. Like a frozen Coast-caught Winter Magi.

[Ruby Eyes]

I don't care how, I just want to keep my (nWht) and unfreezing would allow for this. So, yes please.

[VixenDra]

Just make 2CBs per breed a year and it's all solved AND FAIR for everybody. If old players could have CB frozen(/s) AND 2 CB adults then I want my 3 CB frozens and 2 CB adults of the limited holidays I need...

Just make it 2CBs a year.

Edited December 21, 2017 by VixenDra

[Ruby Eyes]

1 hour ago, VixenDra said:

Just make 2CBs per breed a year and it's all solved AND FAIR for everybody. If old players could have CB frozen(/s) AND 2 CB adults then I want my 3 CB frozens and 2 CB adults of the limited holidays I need...

Just make it 2CBs a year.

There is nothing to MAKE, it's like that already. 2 CBs for each year's holiday.

But back when I froze my 2nd Snow Angel, there WAS NO OPTION to have ADDITIONAL bred ones - bred ones counted towards the limit of 2 as well.

Things have changed, so I'd love a way to remedy my decision from back then which I took because of LIMITS that NO LONGER EXIST.

 

(Unless on 2nd re-read I misunderstood your statement. Explain, please?)

Edited December 21, 2017 by Ruby Eyes

[Lurhstaap]

20 minutes ago, Ruby Eyes said:

There is nothing to MAKE, it's like that already. 2 CBs for each year's holiday.

But back when I froze my 2nd Snow Angel, there WAS NO OPTION to have ADDITIONAL bred ones - bred ones counted towards the limit of 2 as well.

Things have changed, so I'd love a way to remedy my decision from back then which I took because of LIMITS that NO LONGER EXIST.

 

(Unless on 2nd re-read I misunderstood your statement. Explain, please?)

 

What the person means is two per person PER YEAR. So, this year I could get two CB Hollies, whether I have any or not (I don't but with this rule I could even if I already had two). But only two. Next year, if I want, I can get two more. Et cetera.

 

There are ups and downs to the idea. I will say that it would help with the issue of clogging with the newer CB breeds in the AP and the holiday biome. People like me who like the less popular breeds enough to pick up another pair even though we already have one could help alleviate the pressure.

[VixenDra]

1 hour ago, Lurhstaap said:

 

What the person means is two per person PER YEAR. So, this year I could get two CB Hollies, whether I have any or not (I don't but with this rule I could even if I already had two). But only two. Next year, if I want, I can get two more. Et cetera.

This meaning(I think) @RubyEyes.

 

2 CBs each breed a year (does this wording sound clear?) is basically a sollution to so many problems...

there's still a limit so people can't fill all 8 slots with CB Hollies a year, noone needs to release or unfreeze anything to get 2CB adults, noone is favored while others are completely excluded(the unfreeze suggeston...), possibility to end up with 2CBs of both Aegises (2 regular nd 2 enraged), people could have their own CBs for checkers(and a choice either to wait for their own or rush it by catching non-self bred), possibiliy to reach number based goals of CBs (many collect 4, 8 or 10, I'd collect 5 - look at my chickens to see what I need), gifting spirit (really, I had to pay double for 2gens of same-holiday parents...), AP and holiday biome pumbling enabled without sacrificing those caught in previous years, etc.+ the holiday biome not being only a newbie thing in the future (if it's taken away the old issues will come back soon).

The differences between the fuss with the holiday biome now and during Halloween speak for itself, Halloween was chill by that point and there were no limits save egg slots, the oldest breed, Pumpkins, were easy to catch, now look at the Hollies and Yulebucks... this is what the total limit of 2 each does. I bet halloweens were so much calmer because much more people had more than 2 of each and simply didn't need more, also halloweens are being gifted every year - so the demand was simply lower thanks to that.But anyways.

 

strictly about OP suggestion, If there's to be an unfreeze, it should be available for everyone and for all breeds. if people with frozen CB holidays are allowed to catch more CBs per breed (even if it's just in some cases not all), all people should be able to catch more than 2 CBs regardless when they started playing and what they possibly did to their CBs if they had any, even if anything that would exceed 2 grown CBs would have to auto-freeze then... It should be fair, not elitist.

I don't like this very suggestion because it's about making a few old players (who also made a decision before any consequences were known, including if this suggestion was implemented) benefit from an elitist kind of unearned exception:/ It's either everyone have a choice/opportunity/possibility or nobody, please.

Edited December 21, 2017 by VixenDra

[Dragon_Arbock]

@VixenDra I would be for raising limits, but I think that has its own thread. +2 for year would be the perfect solution but I do not know if TJ will ever comment and tell us if that's at all realistic to hope for.

 

As far as this suggestion, I don't think it's really elitist, just more about fairness. Had I thought about it, I would have been clamoring for an unfreeze in 2013, but I was less into lineage building back then.

I only worry with unfreeze applying to everything cause it could be abusable.

[VixenDra]

17 minutes ago, Dragon_Arbock said:

As far as this suggestion, I don't think it's really elitist, just more about fairness. Had I thought about it, I would have been clamoring for an unfreeze in 2013, but I was less into lineage building back then.

I only worry with unfreeze applying to everything cause it could be abusable.

 

In what way is it fair to let anyone have a big game-changing option or more CBs than others others can dream to ever have just because of different join dates or decisions regarding the original-year CBs? If they so much regret freezing a CB, they can release and also be limited to just 2CBs like others. In no way letting JUST THEM either unfreeze or catch more CBs is fair with everybody else... in none. All or nobody is the only fair thing, time&activity factor should only give you the advantage of having things sooner, not at all.

Actually the limit of 2CBs encourages more abuse than unfreezing could, especially if unfreezing sth once frozen would mean the creature can't be traded/teleported. And we can't freeze eggs so this wouldn't let you catch more new releases or sth as eggs still prevent you. And the hatchling limit is rarely a limit.

So yeah, either all or none. I dont' want to deny those people keeping the inital date dragons and growing them into adults, but then everybody should be able to benefit fro such an update equally if choose to.

Edited December 21, 2017 by VixenDra

[Dragon_Arbock]

26 minutes ago, VixenDra said:

 

In what way is it fair to let anyone have a big game-changing option or more CBs than others others can dream to ever have just because of different join dates or decisions regarding the original-year CBs? If they so much regret freezing a CB, they can release and also be limited to just 2CBs like others. In no way letting JUST THEM either unfreeze or catch more CBs is fair with everybody else... in none. All or nobody is the only fair thing, time&activity factor should only give you the advantage of having things sooner, not at all.

Actually the limit of 2CBs encourages more abuse than unfreezing could, especially if unfreezing sth once frozen would mean the creature can't be traded/teleported. And we can't freeze eggs so this wouldn't let you catch more new releases or sth as eggs still prevent you. And the hatchling limit is rarely a limit.

So yeah, either all or none. I dont' want to deny those people keeping the inital date dragons and growing them into adults, but then everybody should be able to benefit fro such an update equally if choose to.

 

One, I wouldn't have 'more' CBs. I want my frozen one to be able to grow up. I'd still only have two. If the limit was raised to 4, I could at least pick up 2 more adults (3 adults, 1 frozen, if I can't unfreeze my frozen)

 

And abuse is exactly what I mean- unfrozen things should either grow up immediately or be untradable. If it's not, then it's abusable by people who will horde rares for trades or trade holidays out of season. I don't really get the eye-roll.

[VixenDra]

19 minutes ago, Dragon_Arbock said:

 

One, I wouldn't have 'more' CBs. I want my frozen one to be able to grow up. I'd still only have two. If the limit was raised to 4, I could at least pick up 2 more adults (3 adults, 1 frozen, if I can't unfreeze my frozen)

 

And abuse is exactly what I mean- unfrozen things should either grow up immediately or be untradable. If it's not, then it's abusable by people who will horde rares for trades or trade holidays out of season. I don't really get the eye-roll.

 

There were 2 unfair sollutions suggested, not counting the past-frozens-only to the 2CBs limit (instead of all frozens to stay fair with other players in case they wanted to have CB frozens too - well, I among others do, 3 each to be precise because goals) and the OP suggestion of an unfreeze that for some wicked elitist reason would only work for past holiday CBs but not for anyone else than those very few people.

I'd like you to be able to unfreeze that holiday. But not if that means some elitist approach like this OP suggestion: why you should be favored and be able to unfreeze your CB but I shouldn't be able to unfreeze a CB Nocturne or whatever I don't want to be frozen anymore or which I just froze by mistake? Either you can unfreeze that CB holiday AND I can possibly unfreeze a CB Nocturne or whatever if I choose to (not that I need unfreezing myself), or neither, or it's unfair because you and a few others who froze a CB holiday once now get an extra elitist feature and nobody else than you (which is what makes it elitist). In what way the release-year frozen CB holidays deserve to be more special - than e.g. those caught after the limit not applyign to bred or to CBs caught this year or than anything else - to the point of getting an extra feature nothing else will have though could?

Edited December 21, 2017 by VixenDra

[Dragon_Arbock]

@VixenDra If Rubyeyes said something, I have them ignored.

 

I wouldn't mind for anybody to be able to unfreeze anything. People make mistakes. But I would be against those said unfrozens being tradable.

That being said, we do already have 'elitist' things on the site. Female Hollies, raffle prizes in general. Could go on, but I won't.

[angelicdragonpuppy]

@VixenDra the way Christmas and Valentines work has changed drastically twice now. That's the difference that would justify a special one time unfreeze. The rules for other dragons have never changed in a similar way (except for Frills and Old Pinks, but with them out of retirement, there's nothing to stop you from getting more CBs while keeping any old frozens you had... unlike with the Holidays). THAT BEING SAID, I would still like a general unfreeze option, but if TJ isn't sold on that yet or doesn't have time to figure out how to balance it right now, then I'd at least like this in the meanwhile.

 

Although I'm guessing we aren't getting any changes in time for this year.  

[VixenDra]

18 minutes ago, angelicdragonpuppy said:

@VixenDra the way Christmas and Valentines work has changed drastically twice now. That's the difference that would justify a special one time unfreeze. The rules for other dragons have never changed in a similar way (except for Frills and Old Pinks, but with them out of retirement, there's nothing to stop you from getting more CBs while keeping any old frozens you had... unlike with the Holidays). THAT BEING SAID, I would still like a general unfreeze option, but if TJ isn't sold on that yet or doesn't have time to figure out how to balance it right now, then I'd at least like this in the meanwhile.

 

Although I'm guessing we aren't getting any changes in time for this year.  

 

This (and many other changes) won't be needed at all if the limit of 2 CBs per breed was reset every year after the 1st year of re-releases. No exceptions made for a small group of old players, especially if there's a solving-many-problems sollution everyone, not just a few, could posibly benefit from.

Well, I think I just should state I'm against the OP suggestion it its current form "unfreeze-for-old-cb-holidays". There are way better ways to solve the problem.

Edited December 21, 2017 by VixenDra

[LibbyLishly]

This and other unfreeze ideas have 47 pages worth of discussion that has been going on since 2014.

 

[Nyxity]

I'd be on VixenDra's side on this. I see it as an all or nothing sort of thing rather than a select group getting a privilege. If I cared enough about lineages, I'd probably be all for the dump the frozen and get a new one that I can now grow up. I'm in the collecting business, rather than the breeding, though. In turn, unless something changes in the future where the limit of CBs is at least four or there is an annual 2 CBs from a Holday Biome, I'm sticking to my one Holiday Adult and one Holiday Hatchling even though I am now able to have long lost and coveted Holiday Dragons I missed.

Edited December 22, 2017 by Nyxity