All Eggs Have Lineage Link On Site

[Obscure_Trash]

All eggs, even CB eggs, should have a lineage link somewhere. Since DCF requires lineage links for growing things and there can be many non-eggspam reasons to share your growing things (trading, showing off the lineage, asking what type of lineage it is, asking for advice on how to continue the lineage, etc.), it's only logical that the site itself should offer us lineage links for all dragons for easy copy'pasta use. DCF is the official forums for the site, so if we have rules here, we should make them easier for users to follow.

 

Yes, it's easy enough to just edit the link your self and change view -> lineage but honestly not everybody realizes that's an option or figures out how to do it until someone directly explains it to them. Plus, as said, if the forums expect user's to post in one way, then the site needs to make it convenient to do so. (As well, the original topic on this showcased the fact that some users have hand mobility issues and typing can be painful, so a simply provided field would benefit those users.)

 

This could be in one of two ways:

1) Simply add a "View Lineage" link to even CB eggs' page.

2) Add a "Share on DCF" code to the 'Get Code' Page, which is simply a lineage link for the dragon. Mock-up by Confused Cat.

 

I prefer one. Simple and easy to get to.

 

Old topic is here; it's been a few years, so I'm re-making: https://forums.dragcave.net/topic/139972-cb-eggs-have-lineage-link

 

Or we could just make it so that view links are allowed as long as you are not asking for views.

Edited July 28, 2017 by SockPuppet Strangler

[angelicdragonpuppy]

I use the lack of a lineage link to quickly tell CBs from breds, so rather than a typical view lineage link, it'd be nice if it was a link that said "Caveborn" instead. Clicking it still leads to the lineage view.

 

Although... now that I think about it, do CB things even really need a lineage view? When trading / sharing isn't it simple enough to just say "this is a CB thing?" Not sure the use offsets the ease of telling if something is CB or not, even with my suggestion it requires a bit more comprehension then no link = CB.

[Sundew]

Like ADP, I use the lack of a "View Lineage" link to easily tell CB from non-CB eggs at a glance. Having the word "Caveborn" would definitely be preferable, especially if the word could lead to a lineage link anyway.

[Obscure_Trash]

EDIT: Hahahaaaaaaa, sorry guys, I still have morning brain. I was overthinking way too hard.

 

I was kinda thinking that the lack of parents listed on the view page would be a good tip-off that something is caveborn. But I don't really care what the link is listed as, just as long as it's clear that's a lineage link. That could be "Lineage Link" or "Caveborn Lineage" or whatever TJ finds appropriate. I went with "View Lineage" just for consistency's sake. I think the link just saying "Caveborn" isn't very intuitive, though.

Edited July 26, 2017 by SockPuppet Strangler

[TJ09]

I'm not sure doing this just for the forums makes sense. From a site perspective, linking to a page that has no lineage to show feels pretty pointless. Similar to linking to a progeny page that has no children to display.

 

I believe it's possible to solve the problem in some other way. Perhaps adding a button to the editor that makes linking to eggs easiler?

[Confused Cat]

Suggestion: add the lineage link to the other links (without adding it to the view page)?

 

 

Edit:

It could also say "(this is the only one allowed on the DC Forum)" instead of "(for Dragon Cave Forum)".

Edited July 26, 2017 by Confused Cat

[Obscure_Trash]

On 7/26/2017 at 11:37 AM, TJ09 said:

I believe it's possible to solve the problem in some other way. Perhaps adding a button to the editor that makes linking to eggs easiler?

 

Not quite sure I picture exactly what you're thinking, but it sounds like it could perfectly solve this issue! I like the idea.

 

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Confused Cat, added your image to the first post.

[Predat0rs]

I actually support this suggestion, but not for the way it is intending to aid us. I need a Lineage link on Caveborns because I have severe carpal tunnel, and unnecessary typing/copy+pasting really makes it flare up. Although I do agree that they should have a Lineage link regardless if people have a physical medical condition or not.

[TJ09]

I've added a test "lineage link" button to the editor on the forums. I'm curious how well it'll work out for this purpose.

[Ruby Eyes]

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Looks good. Though I'm wondering how many people will not instantly know that "ID" refers to a dragon's code.

[StormWizard212]

This is a great new feature, TJ. I think it's personally a better result than a lineage link on the dragon pages, since I like not having one there so I can instantly see if an egg is CB. Ruby, I think most people will figure it out, hopefully! But maybe the 'ID' could be changed to 'code' in case anyone is confused, just so the language is consistent. 

[Sundew]

"Code" to "ID" will take some getting used to, but I actually think it makes more sense and would be cool to see become part of our regular terminology. I'm in favor of keeping it the same. 

[Predat0rs]

It's a good change. My fingers are thankful. And it doesn't change a part of the site that may be an unwelcomed change to some. Although I agree that "ID" will take some getting used to, simply because we've called them codes for over a decade now.

[Fuzzbucket]

I can't even see what we are talking about - so I'm glad I didn't have this problem...

[Predat0rs]

Coming back to say that even with the handy-dandy Lineage code in the forums now, I still would like to see a direct Lineage Link on CB babies. Yes, I know I don't have to play this game if it's hard on my carpal tunnel/hands, and I don't have to type out CB "Lineage" links outside of the forums, etc, but... I still would like to have immediate access to the view. #UnpopularOpinion =/

 

To those who use the lack of one to quickly tell if something is CB or not: Perhaps look for "Location:" instead? Or, perhaps, "Father:" and "Mother:"? They're hard to miss.

 

Edit: Actually, I also had a serious question... If we cannot get a Lineage Link globally and integrated into the site itself, would it be considered "cheating" by using a script that added a Lineage link to the page? People use scripts (not bots to catch eggs, fyi) for styling certain pages all of the time, or getting rid of certain things (ads, images, etc). Would it be considered cheating to add something like a Lineage link through the use of a script?

Per the rules:

Edited September 2, 2017 by Metal-n-Monster

[Beldarius]

I'd also like a lineage link for CB dragons - I'm making a Google spreadsheet of my breedable rares (holidays and such) and it's a little tedious to copy the View link and edit it to the Lineage link before adding it to the spreadsheet, when it would be much easier to just copy the Lineage link right away and then just plop it in.

 

@TJ, would it be possible to make it so the image of the dragon on the View page would lead directly to the lineage? As in making the image clickable. That way you could open the lineage link without changing the layout or text of the page itself. People usually don't click on the dragon's image so it wouldn't get in anyone's way either - it could be a sneaky way to please the people with hand mobility issues and still keep people who use "View Lineage" to differentiate between CBs and bred dragons happy.

[HeatherMarie]

8 hours ago, Beldarius said:

I'd also like a lineage link for CB dragons - I'm making a Google spreadsheet of my breedable rares (holidays and such) and it's a little tedious to copy the View link and edit it to the Lineage link before adding it to the spreadsheet, when it would be much easier to just copy the Lineage link right away and then just plop it in.

 

@TJ, would it be possible to make it so the image of the dragon on the View page would lead directly to the lineage? As in making the image clickable. That way you could open the lineage link without changing the layout or text of the page itself. People usually don't click on the dragon's image so it wouldn't get in anyone's way either - it could be a sneaky way to please the people with hand mobility issues and still keep people who use "View Lineage" to differentiate between CBs and bred dragons happy.

 

I don't think using the sprite image as a lineage link is very intuitive or helpful. Most people aren't going to think to try to click an image to get to a lineage, and it doesn't really make much sense when we already have a lineage-link for non-CB dragons. Doesn't make sense to have an actual obvious link for bred dragons but CBs only have a sneaky-hidden link on an image. Please no. 

 

I do like this idea, and not just because of the forums. There are any number of reasons you might want to check the lineage-page of a CB dragon (seeing how the dragon looks in lineage-view, for example, if you don't already have bred ones to use as reference). I've always felt it strange that there *exists* a lineage-page for CB dragons and yet there is no actual way to *get* there except manually typing it into the url, honestly that is my main issue with the whole thing. If CB-lineage pages aren't useful, get rid of them. But if we have them, we should have a way to actually access them without manually typing out a url.  I think any CB-lineage link simply saying "Cavebred" would be enough of a difference, there is enough difference between "Cavebred" and "View Lineage" that it should be simple enough to understand the difference.