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2017-02-14 - Valentine's Day!

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The new adult sprite is holding a CD. I can't unsee this.

I love everything about this. Strongly considering re-naming a hatchling to go with the CD theme.

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Due to unforeseen circumstances, the released sprites had to be changed. I apologize for any inconvenience that may cause, though thankfully it has no chance to impact lineages, since all dragons are CB and none have bred yet.

The originals were pulled for a reason, everybody. They can't be used.

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*stares* uhhh....damn, I'm here again for some drama oy vey

 

I like both new and old sprites, although I prefer the new ones a bit more.

 

...and I think I might be one of the few that likes the new s1. They look cute to me. *pats them on the head*

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On the prospect of alts, how about we just give them a hand-wave BSA that lets em form swap?

Who cares why or how?

Hand-wave BSA for the win.

 

10/10, would support.

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On the topic of recreating the concept, once a concept is chosen and released for DC, DC owns that concept.

Should the art for said concept need replacing, the new spriters are well within their rights to just redraw the dragon if they see fit.

I don't see anything about the concept being owned, just the art?

 

Either way I understand why people feel uneasy about it, since in this case the concept was created and yoinked to new owners literally before the original owners got their full artwork uploaded. That feels a lot different then, say, a dragon concept from 5 years ago with the original artist long gone getting a sprite update.

 

I really wish EEF/Tazzay would say what happened. Less than two days ago they were both stoked to have their dragon chosen. Going from that to a full on replacement is very strange indeed.

 

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But where is permission for using the /species/ given in the contract artists sign?

 

If they're signing over their sprites that does *not* mean they have permission to use a species in its entirety. That's the whole concept behind closed species.

 

Unless it is specifically stated and an artist signs over their rights to DC for use of the concept as a whole and not just the art, I truly believe DC does not have the right to do something like this. Legally, stuff like that has to be written out word for word. :/

There is no permission given. It's an artist agreement. Unless the concept creator also did physical art in some way, all rights go to the artist. The agreement only relates to the sprite/art.

 

Edit: You can read the agreement in the sticky in the DR section.

Edited by Jazeki

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I want to just abandon my hatchies, because those are *not* the hatchies I loved and seriously there is so much wrong with them. But I'm holding onto them for now because I'm hoping that there are going to be tweaks made. Hopefully? This can't really be the final sprites, can it?

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The originals were pulled for a reason, everybody. They can't be used.

Great, so we're stuck with the Spryo Jackalop mad.gif

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I should apologise fro the censorkip.gif-storm that my dragons caused on here. I regret submitting my dragon to dc now.

 

While the newer spriter did a good job in the very short timeframe they had, I still would have rather my dragon be completely removed than have the sprites replaced.

 

Sorry again, everyone.

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Those are very gorgeous sprites. I'm very glad they got to be shared. I do hope people realize we can make an opinion on hatchies -- e.g. based on the hatchies, most people could surmise they would prefer the adult of the old one, even before they saw it, based on style. There was a lot of flack for a little while about how we shouldn't be attached to sprites that we haven't seen. But people can make guesses, and most of them guessed right I think.

 

I totally respect the spriter for remaining anonymous. In fact I'm glad they did that, I wouldn't want them to have to deal with backlash either. =/ Your sprites are very nice, it's unfortunate they had to be rolled out like this. Certainly they're above and beyond what most people could produce at short notice.

 

Also. As everyone is affected, I think there should be an alt that all people can receive. laugh.gif Like Sweetlings, but more like Solstices. ;P

 

I honest to goodness wish this dispute would have resolved itself and the originals were used. Is there no hope that we may go back to the originals? sad.gif Can't we arrange some kind of scenario where TJ and the spriters accidentally go to the same beach vacation together, and through a series of bonding experiences and wacky situations, learn to get along?

 

edit: It's okay Tazzay. They're gorgeous. I wish everything had worked out well.

Edited by Painter

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Y'all may be right, it's been a long time and that had been the impression I was under. Regardless, this is an interesting situation

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I want to just abandon my hatchies, because those are *not* the hatchies I loved and seriously there is so much wrong with them. But I'm holding onto them for now because I'm hoping that there are going to be tweaks made. Hopefully? This can't really be the final sprites, can it?

Tweaks can be made post release.

 

Those most recent blue pygmy sprite updates (sorry name eludes me) had something funky with the neck on the female? People gave polite constructive criticism and the spriter worked with everyone on fixing it and now it looks great!

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Quoting the DRAMA!

 

Due to unforeseen circumstances, the released sprites had to be changed. I apologize for any inconvenience that may cause, though thankfully it has no chance to impact lineages, since all dragons are CB and none have bred yet.

{snip}

 

Comparison:

~Removed~ --> user posted image (Provided by Aurigena)

~Removed~ --> user posted image

Even the egg sprite was modified a bit

 

user posted image New Egg Vs. Old Egg user posted image

 

{snip}

 

Well, since people want to know -

 

~Removed~ --> user posted image

(Shokomon: Current Adult Added for Comparison)

 

This is what the original Cermorvous looked like. I don't know why it was changed without EEF's or my consent, but it was. Sorry to everyone.

 

EEF and I were treated rather poorly about this release.

I don't know why it was changed without EEF's or my consent, but it was. Sorry to everyone.

 

EEF and I were treated rather poorly about this release.

If you're going to play the victim, please don't outright lie about it. You were notified via PM last night (in addition to the repeated contact I've had with edwardelricfreak over the past several days, that I know you are aware of because you PMed me about it). You responded to the very PM I sent you about an hour later. To claim that you don't know why the events that have happened transpired as they did is a bit more than disingenuous.

 

My earlier post in this thread was intentionally vague about the swap because I didn't want to draw negative attention to you and edwardelricfreak, but I'm not going to tolerate outright falsehoods.

 

However, since that's not the case... at this point the best way to settle things is probably to give some explanation. D.C. has a reputation for annoying levels of hyper secrecy and while I get that in this case it's actually justified as being sensitive, things are going to explode more without answers, not quiet down.

I am avoiding giving specifics out of respect for the people involved. If they wish to share what happened, they can, and if it turns out they are comfortable doing so, I will gladly share my side of things.

 

The new spriter doesn't get credit for their sprite, because of the negativity attached to the whole ordeal.

The new spriter(s) explicitly asked for anonymity/to go without credit.

 

I should apologise fro the censorkip.gif-storm that my dragons caused on here. I regret submitting my dragon to dc now.

 

While the newer spriter did a good job in the very short timeframe they had, I still would have rather my dragon be completely removed than have the sprites replaced.

 

Sorry again, everyone.

Form your own opinions, but don't insult the spriters

Edited by SockPuppet Strangler

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I want to just abandon my hatchies, because those are *not* the hatchies I loved and seriously there is so much wrong with them. But I'm holding onto them for now because I'm hoping that there are going to be tweaks made. Hopefully? This can't really be the final sprites, can it?

I am feeling the same way. First time I wanted to abandon a holiday dragon, but part of me also wants to keep them. When I saw my hatchlings change, I was confused because they looked like dogs to me.

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Having seen the old adults, I can say that I definitely prefer the new ones. The wings on the old ones lack structure, and so look like they could never actually be used as wings. They're -pretty-, but they don't look -useful-. I think the old ones are also a bit too on the nose for deer anatomy. The new ones perhaps could have used a few more deerish details, but overall I like the more dragony look.

 

And the new s1 is growing on me. x3

 

 

And to everyone suggesting that the old ones be available in any fashion, remember that there was a reason why TJ pulled them. There is some reason why they can't be used on this site. That isn't going to change from people saying they want them.

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If they weren't a Holiday and thus irreplaceable, I probably would have abandoned mine as well. Not a fun thing to see sprites you were excited about turned into knockoff spyro.

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I am feeling the same way. First time I wanted to abandon a holiday dragon, but part of me also wants to keep them. When I saw my hatchlings change, I was confused because they looked like dogs to me.

I'm going to freeze mine before they reach adult hood. And I agree with you there. This is the first time I really wanted to abandon a holiday release.

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If anyone does decide to abandon their hatchlings, there was someone who missed the event a few pages back who might appreciate them. Or people who missed the eggs in general.

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If they weren't a Holiday and thus irreplaceable, I probably would have abandoned mine as well. Not a fun thing to see sprites you were excited about turned into knockoff spyro.

Omg! Yes! Someone else who thinks these dragons look like Spyro!

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If anyone does decide to abandon their hatchlings, there was someone who missed the event a few pages back who might appreciate them. Or people who missed the eggs in general.

Quoting this as it is a really good suggestion!

 

If you don't want your dragons then just give them away to someone who does want them and wasn't able to get them. Problem solved.

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If anyone does decide to abandon their hatchlings, there was someone who missed the event a few pages back who might appreciate them. Or people who missed the eggs in general.

Here's a good idea.

If you really hate them that much, please give them to someone who truly needs them and missed out!

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I wonder if a thread where people could donate their hatchlings/eggs if there are any to people who missed the event would be worthwhile?

 

I ended up giving mine to someone who missed out... I'd rather they go to someone who didn't prefer the first set :/

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I missed the event because I was on vacation :'(

I'm quite sad that people want to abandon their hatchis, because I don't have one at all and no chance anymore to get a CB sad.gif

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While I did greatly prefer the old stage ones, there's things I like and dislike about both adults. I love the hooves and the antlers on the old adult, as well as the head and neck as compared to the new, but I also adore the wings on the new adult. They feel like the dragon could actually fly, and wing structure really makes or breaks a dragon sprite for me. It's the reason I personally dislike the Solstice dragons as extremely as I do, because their wings don't look like they could ever hold the dragon's weight in the air, not attached to their bums the way they are.

 

It's a weird situation. Weird snazz is happening today.

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I wonder if a thread where people could donate their hatchlings/eggs if there are any to people who missed the event would be worthwhile?

 

I ended up giving mine to someone who missed out... I'd rather they go to someone who didn't prefer the first set :/

They can always just go to the departures thread asking for PM's from an established scroll who missed out

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