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2017-02-14 - Valentine's Day!

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Well....those aren't my dragons. Guess a lot happens when you go to sleep, huh?

Have you been in contact with the admin or a global moderator? Sock was pretty active in this thread after the switch.

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I'd also like to extend my support for your hatchlings. I don't know what happened, but I am very sad to see them gone. It is a sad state of affairs for sure. Best of wishes to you.

Love your new-hatchie names! xd.png

 

I've only just seen the change. I like the deeper purple, but I found the 'sad face' egg rather amusing.

 

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Well, since people want to know -

 

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This is what the original Cermorvous looked like. I don't know why it was changed without EEF's or my consent, but it was. Sorry to everyone.

 

EEF and I were treated rather poorly about this release.

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Well, since people want to know -

 

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This is what the original Cermorvous looked like. I don't know why it was changed without EEF's or my consent, but it was. Sorry to everyone.

 

EEF and I were treated rather poorly about this release.

So beautiful... wub.gif Thank you for showing us. She would have been my favourite Valentine dragon by far. You have no reason to apologise!

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Well....those aren't my dragons. Guess a lot happens when you go to sleep, huh?

You didn't know? </3 That's awful. Just really, really shabby treatment. sad.gif

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Man...kinda disappointed now.

 

I do like the adult sprite. But the old hatchling sprites were so much better and I was actually excited to see what they looked like when I saw them. Because obviously it was going to look different.

 

Not so much anymore.What the heck is going on .Did the dragons get swapped? Seriously?

 

So many things to be frustrated about these days on here. smh

 

And to the people getting mad at the negative response to this:

 

If someone would actually shed some light on the situation, instead of keeping everyone in the dark as usual, then maybe it would be easier to understand? Just a thought. Keeping a player base in the dark in ANY game without giving a reason at all to a change is not good, at all. I can't even think of another game that makes changes but doesn't say when/why.

 

Could have at least put in "These will be placeholder sprites. *Gives reason why.*" :<

The player base will always be kept dark on some things, whether it is DC or not. Why? There could be many reasons. Not wanting to insult people, not wanting to cause absurd levels of drama, and so on.

 

If you have ever been behind the scenes anywhere you would understand that there are some things that just need to be kept quiet. I don't mean scandals or illegal activity, but just certain conversations and sequences of events that are among the artists only. Some people change their mind and don't like something, and request a replacement. Certain sprites didn't match the guidelines. Someone had a dispute and wants sprites taken down. Any and all of these things can happen regularly. That's life.

 

I get what you are saying. It is a big mystery and we all want to know how/why such a major change has happened. But ultimately? It is for the greater benefit of the site to sigh and move on. Don't keep dark clouds stirring for no definitive reason.

 

This is TJ's site and he has no obligation to tell us anything, especially behind the scenes stuff. Tazzay and EEF: Sorry this had to happen to you. What a let down.

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So is concept theft not a thing? Is that being ignored?

 

For someone to create and sprite a dragon, not only is the sprite important, but so is the concept behind it....

 

If the change (and subsequent sprites) were updated and done without the Spriter's permission, awareness, etc... Then is this not an issue? What if the original spriters after all this want these dragons removed? Do they not have a right to such a thing now because for whatever reason their sprites were changed?

 

It's so much more than just a silly sprite change but that's what everyone is freaking out about.... I wouldn't demand answers, and everyone is quick to defend the new artist, but what about the old ones?

 

Sorry, I stopped reading at page 103 but nobody had mentioned this at that point.

Since the original spriter is here I feel like this holds merit now. Why is this okay?

 

I'm incredibly sad we are missing out on the originals.

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Well, since people want to know -

 

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This is what the original Cermorvous looked like. I don't know why it was changed without EEF's or my consent, but it was. Sorry to everyone.

 

EEF and I were treated rather poorly about this release.

Well, I'm beginning to see... Thank you for sharing, they look gorgeous!

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I'm pretty darn angry now. It is simply not okay to rework someone's concept like that without their consent.

 

I hope there is a very good reason for what happened. The originals are beautiful. I love the wing detail, the pale colour. They're so smooth and glossy.

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Wtf? These were changed without even contacting the original spriters? Ok, I thought maybe a third spriter for the adults just couldn't be reached or something, but now this whole thing stinks. I like the new sprites, but everything about this is shady :/

 

An official explanation soon would be real nice.

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After seeing the real adult, I'm even more disappointed.

 

An artist's first sprite ripped out right from underneath them, and a sprite many people would have loved.

 

Thank you to the original spriters for putting lots of hard work into something that would've, in my opinion, been the best of all the Valentine's dragons so far.

 

I hope you don't get discouraged by this (though how could you not?) and continue on - your sprite work is amazing and I'm sure any further sprites you make will be just as beautiful.

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Wtf? These were changed without even contacting the original spriters? Ok, I thought maybe a third spriter for the adults just couldn't be reached or something, but now this whole thing stinks. I like the new sprites, but everything about this is shady :/

 

An official explanation soon would be real nice.

Somebody is going to need to justify screwing over new artists and completely reworking a concept without permission.

 

In NO WAY is this acceptable, how would other artists feel if this happened to them?

 

I'm ashamed for all involved with this situation to be completely honest.

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Well, since people want to know -

 

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This is what the original Cermorvous looked like. I don't know why it was changed without EEF's or my consent, but it was. Sorry to everyone.

 

EEF and I were treated rather poorly about this release.

Wow, that's gorgeous! I love the pose. So sorry it got removed!

 

I do like the new one as well, so at least we have that.

 

I don't think it's right to simply remove them without even telling you (nor anyone else) why.

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The original sprites are gorgeous. Now that I know Tazzay and edwardelricfreak wasn't aware of the change and was kept in the dark as much as we were I'm not really sure how to feel about the release anymore.

 

I do hope that at least the artists get an explanation even if the userbase doesn't.

 

edit: WHOA HUH WHAT HAPPENED

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Well, since people want to know -

 

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This is what the original Cermorvous looked like. I don't know why it was changed without EEF's or my consent, but it was. Sorry to everyone.

 

EEF and I were treated rather poorly about this release.

Gosh she's pretty. I really love those wings and antlers.

 

I'm sorry your work got changed without your knowledge.

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Well, since people want to know -

 

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This is what the original Cermorvous looked like. I don't know why it was changed without EEF's or my consent, but it was. Sorry to everyone.

 

EEF and I were treated rather poorly about this release.

Aww. Your dragon was really pretty. I hope you both still consider making more holiday submissions in the future. (Or finally get an in-cave release.)

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Well, since people want to know -

 

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This is what the original Cermorvous looked like. I don't know why it was changed without EEF's or my consent, but it was. Sorry to everyone.

 

EEF and I were treated rather poorly about this release.

That's really pretty! Thank you!

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Well, since people want to know -

 

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This is what the original Cermorvous looked like. I don't know why it was changed without EEF's or my consent, but it was. Sorry to everyone.

 

EEF and I were treated rather poorly about this release.

OHHHHHHHHHHHH

That just makes the pain more intense! They would have been one of the most beautiful dragons in the cave!

 

WHHHHYYYY?!

no seriously why?!

TJ might strangle me for asking but what exactly was done that awards the term "poor treatment"?

 

 

*sigh* I still really like being able to know what they originally looked like. Thankyou.

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Figures. Second time I manage to grab a new valentine release and there's a big screw-up sleep.gif

I find the fact the original artists were not informed of this change to be somewhat appalling.

Edit: Ookay now I really have no idea what's going on blink.gif

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I don't know why it was changed without EEF's or my consent, but it was. Sorry to everyone.

 

EEF and I were treated rather poorly about this release.

If you're going to play the victim, please don't outright lie about it. You were notified via PM last night (in addition to the repeated contact I've had with edwardelricfreak over the past several days, that I know you are aware of because you PMed me about it). You responded to the very PM I sent you about an hour later. To claim that you don't know why the events that have happened transpired as they did is a bit more than disingenuous.

 

My earlier post in this thread was intentionally vague about the swap because I didn't want to draw negative attention to you and edwardelricfreak, but I'm not going to tolerate outright falsehoods.

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Well, since people want to know -

 

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This is what the original Cermorvous looked like. I don't know why it was changed without EEF's or my consent, but it was. Sorry to everyone.

 

EEF and I were treated rather poorly about this release.

Absolutely beautiful. Your hatchlings, too. I'm so sorry this happened - I would much prefer yours to the replacement sprites.

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What an interesting turn of events for my first V-Day on D-Cave.

 

I, for one, love the new adult sprite. I was blown away when I saw it, I was so into it. The hatchies.....not so much. Like others mentioned, I do appreciate their dragon-y-ness.

 

This whole time I kind of assumed the spriters knew about it and something went down between them and TJ/DC and sort of was willing to accept the reality we live in where this is the dragons we're stuck with.

 

Hearing that they didn't know about this makes me deeply saddened and maddened and want answers. It seems very wrong, and I think we do deserve some kind of explanation. Mostly - THEY deserve some kind of explanation.

 

It also breaks my heart to see how the new one is so ripped off from the old one. It's just like a sloppy recreation. Obviously the new spriter worked hard.....but come on, it doesn't even hold a candle to the absolute beauty to EEF and Tazzzy created. Like - HOLY MOLY that dragon is beautiful, one of the most beautiful I've seen on DC. To have this cheap knockoff? It's very sad to me. Because that's exactly what it is - it isn't a reworking at all, they look like nearly the same dragon. It feels kind of plagarism-y.

 

Lots of love and support for EEF and Tazzzy, I think you guys did some really amazing work. Really beautiful sprites that I would love love love to collect. The shading is just...unreal, so gorgeous. At the very least, I think you two deserve some level of explanation.

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