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2017-02-14 - Valentine's Day!

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Due to unforeseen circumstances, the released sprites had to be changed. I apologize for any inconvenience that may cause, though thankfully it has no chance to impact lineages, since all dragons are CB and none have bred yet.

well at least they changed before growing like the original '09

 

I still miss the original sprite *sighs*

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But who ever made the new sprites did not seem to even look at how the dragon looked before :/

Its not just new sprites its a completely new dragon that just shares a color scheme and that is just Not Ok! :/

 

They had more fluff and hooves and the description says the pearl was between their antlers and they had a more slender body. Now they have less fluff a scalie chest, no hoofs, pearl is in their hands now instead on antlers and they have a balky big body instead of the slender look they should have.

Do you know what the original adult looked like? I would imagine if someone provided a replacement they probably had like... seen the thing. I'm not sure hatchling appearance is as big a deal as adult appearance

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I know I'm in the minority here, but I didn't even notice the sprites had changed until I read the latest posts in the News thread. I feel so observant. xd.png

 

Thanks to tj and all artists involved with both sets of sprites for their efforts.

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well at least they changed before growing like the original '09

 

I still miss the original sprite *sighs*

My bad, fam.

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I really love the new Adults and especially the colors. I'm sorry to hear that something happened that even caused a rush to be necessary (and it is so awesome that there was a backup so we DID NOT HAVE TO WAIT - that deserves Kudos), but even if some things need to be tweaked later on, I love the colors and the design and can't wait to use them.

 

So I'm very excited and happy for all the work people put into everything. I can't imagine being a Spriter or potential Spriter To Be for this game and having to submit all the time and work for back to back to back Holidays & events all at once within a 5 month period. That is a lot of work, a lot of coordination, and a lot of stress.

 

So thanks to everyone for everything, really appreciated, including this Valentines!

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"shut up about things you can't change, don't ever complain, how dare you not like things"

 

Now I remember why I left this hellsite for two years...

I could say the exact same thing about this community for the opposite reason. People are screaming about this like TJ did this to personally spite each and every user, and the new sprites killed your pet dog and pushed over your grandmother, and how dare this possibly happen.

 

This has gone past complaint - this is just hysteria.

 

It's okay to like the old sprites more - I did too! - but acting like they're the Worst Thing Ever is a disservice to the artists that had to create them on such short notice. These things don't happen for no reason, and TJ might just not be able to disclose the reason why. I'm curious, but I'm also guessing the answer is wrapped up in legalese.

 

I mean, really, think of what it'd be like to be the artist that made the new sprites, and read this waterfall of hatred on the board. Maybe then you might understand why you're getting such a pushback.

 

But who ever made the new sprites did not seem to even look at how the dragon looked before :/

 

Err, I'm pretty sure whoever built a replacement knows more about what the original dragon looked like than you ever did, on account of having to, you know, build a replacement.

 

I'm guessing some aspects of the dragon had to change as to not be a mimic of the original design. Like, TJ might not actually have permission to the original design.

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"shut up about things you can't change, don't ever complain, how dare you not like things"

 

Now I remember why I left this hellsite for two years...

This isn't in the usual class of things people don't like. If it is indeed something really serious like breach of copyright - there is nothing that CAN be done. I wasn't here for the Great Fog, but if it might otherwise lead to something like that - is that really what you'd prefer ? It's quite likely that it cannot legally be discussed in public.

 

Regret for the earlier sprites is one thing, but calling the new ones - apparently produced in record time- crap is uncalled for. Spriters here do a great job; without them there would be nothing.

Edited by fuzzbucket

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Lavinia

Posted on Feb 17 2017, 03:40 PM

 

I know I'm in the minority here, but I didn't even notice the sprites had changed until I read the latest posts in the News thread. I feel so observant.

 

Thanks to tj and all artists involved with both sets of sprites for their efforts.

 

lol same here and I personally love the dragon

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Do you know what the original adult looked like? I would imagine if someone provided a replacement they probably had like... seen the thing. I'm not sure hatchling appearance is as big a deal as adult appearance

No - I absolutely agree. We cannot really claim to be totally attached to a sprite we had never even seen.

 

I LOVE the adult. Even if its pearl isn't in its antlers ! Especially the gold tracings on the wing. (and the description has changed to carrying a pearl....)

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I mean I too prefer the old sprites, especially s1 but eh, at least the new adult is pretty even though i don't like the new s1 and s2. I just wish we were given an explanation for it, thats all.

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eesh, like i mean theres a reason behind the change, but man these look reeealy wonkey. the first thing i see is that the new s1 hatchling has "anxiety eyes" like its terrified about something going to eat it at any moment.

 

user posted image

 

these also look horribly choppy and not shaded well to make any feature on them stand out, so they just look like a mess of blob pixels over each other.

 

kind of reminds me about that whole issue with spyros old vs new bug eyed design.

 

user posted image

 

 

i really hope they spiffy these up over the next few days/ weeks a bit so there not so clunky.

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I admit I kinda liked the old babies more but my god the adult is lovely, such a lovely shade of purple and its not the typical red/pink dragon we get for valentines. Imma hug mine when they grow and give them names befitting their prettiness.

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Honestly I am in awe of whoever re-sprited these guys... blink.gif Sure, I really thought the old sprites were adorable, and I was excited for them, but I also love these guys too! So many Valentine dragons don't really look "dragonish" to me... It's nice to see a big, intimidating Valentine dragon! xd.png Very unique looking at the past ones.

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...Wow, new Spyro looks weird. Stop messing with my childhood, guys.

 

Given how quickly new sprites had to be created and put onsite - I'm sure the new sprites can be touched up if need be.

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Do you know what the original adult looked like? I would imagine if someone provided a replacement they probably had like... seen the thing. I'm not sure hatchling appearance is as big a deal as adult appearance

I would imagine the hooves still would have been there as that would be a rather strange change from a hatchling with hooves to a adult without hooves. And the hatchlings look like the Desipis which is not cool to copy another spirters sprite design. And in the description it says the pearl should be on the antlers.

 

I understand there was pressure to change the sprite last minute but changing the dragon and not just the sprite is not ok, its normal that me and a lot of others would be so upset. If they would have stayed true to the design and just made new sprites i'm sure most would be ok but just want to know why.

 

Really we need a better explanation, maybe someone used a design from somewhere else and then TJ found out and that's why we needed such a big change. If that was the case then all my upsetness would be begone and I would completely understand.

 

But with only a sorry the design had to be changed it leaves us all very upset.

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The new adults are absolutely spectacular! I love, love, love the purple and gold combination. These are easily one of my top favorite breeds now. I can't wait to start breeding them!

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Awh, im sorry this had to happen but oh well

People need to stop whining about it and insulting the artists, after all, its just a pixel art on the internet, chill. smile.gif

 

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Aw, I was really looking forward to these new dragons growing up when I saw the original hatchlings, but the new hatchlings are freaky and there's something off about the adult that I can place... unsure.gif The wings and colours are great though.

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HOLY POOP THE ADULT wub.gifwub.gif

Thank you spriters & TJ! ^.^

Edited by coo_

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eesh, like i mean theres a reason behind the change, but man these look reeealy wonkey. the first thing i see is that the new s1 hatchling has "anxiety eyes" like its terrified about something going to eat it at any moment.

 

user posted image

 

these also look horribly choppy and not shaded well to make any feature on them stand out, so they just look like a mess of blob pixels over each other.

 

Thank you for mentioning the "anxiety eyes", the eyes were bugging me but I couldn't figure out why.

 

Look, if the sprites had to change, they had to change. And I'm not going to complain that they changed. I *am* going to point out the many, many flaws on the new sprites, and say that I *wish* we had a "fog" like back in the day, instead of pushing forward sub-par sprites.

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"shut up about things you can't change, don't ever complain, how dare you not like things"

 

Now I remember why I left this hellsite for two years...

Thing is, there's ways and ways to express an opinion or offer criticism. I honestly doubt that this change was made lightly or for no reason - goodness knows, if I were running this site and knowing how touchy the userbase can be, I'd be jolly sure before throwing out a change like this. I think I preferred the old hatchies too, but since I never saw (and never will see) the adult... well, the heart can't mourn what the eyes never saw. Also, if this was a rush job, it's entirely possible that we'll see minor tweaks and smoothing to the new sprite set in due course. The artists here have immense pride in their work and I'm sure they'd want the best possible representation to be the final version.

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While I still prefer the original hatchlings and wish I could have seen the original adult, the adults we have aren't bad at all. The feet are rather odd looking to me and I preferred the softer colors of the original hatchlings, but I really love the pattern on the wing. I think it's quite pretty. Like I said before, the new sprites we have aren't bad at all. They aren't my favorite, but they aren't my least favorite, either. Even though these dragons don't really appeal to me overall, I know how much work must have gone into them and I greatly appreciate the artist(s) and how hard they must have worked on them. If it was a rush job, wow. While they do have a few issues, they're incredible if they had to be done on short notice.

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say that I *wish* we had a "fog" like back in the day, instead of pushing forward sub-par sprites.

same here, i think i would have preferred the fog. instead of worrying about the possibility that these mite end up being the official sprites.

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I would imagine the hooves still would have been there as that would be a rather strange change from a hatchling with hooves to a adult without hooves. And the hatchlings look like the Desipis which is not cool to copy another spirters sprite design. And in the description it says the pearl should be on the antlers.

 

I understand there was pressure to change the sprite last minute but changing the dragon and not just the sprite is not ok, its normal that me and a lot of others would be so upset. If they would have stayed true to the design and just made new sprites i'm sure most would be ok but just want to know why.

 

Really we need a better explanation, maybe someone used a design from somewhere else and then TJ found out and that's why we needed such a big change. If that was the case then all my upsetness would be begone and I would completely understand.

 

But with only a sorry the design had to be changed it leaves us all very upset.

Okay, two things.

 

First off - while I think the webbed feet are a little odd, the original hatchling did not have hooves. There were very clearly claws on the S2. The limbs were thinner, but they were clawed, not hooved.

 

Second - 'copying another spriter's hatchling design?' There are plenty of hatchlings that share poses, it's inevitable with how many dragons we have at this point, and Shifu just posted about the comparison and seemed more amused than anything else.

 

And yeah, I'd like a better explanation just because curiosity, but I can extrapolate well enough from what we've been given, and - it may be something that TJ or the original artists don't want to disclose.

 

I trust this had to happen, and in the end, that's enough for me. The reasoning doesn't change the outcome.

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