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2017-02-14 - Valentine's Day!

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There are still eggs out there that have not hatched. How would that be done? Suddenly change the egg sprites too? There was going to be drama. How much and what sort is unknown to anyone, but never underestimate the ability of DC to descend into hysteria at the drop of a hat. xd.png

The eggs for these were switched as well. They're floating in a post somewhere that does a comparison.

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TJ said they are in this news post

Oh. Huh. That clarifies things.

 

Though I still don't believe the conduct of in-cave spriters in this thread has been any better or worse than that of the userbase itself.

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Honestly. If there was 0 history of tracing, and it was a brand new artist with a good background. No one would have batted an eye.

 

Now that there is tracing in the background of Tazzay and EdwardElricFreak, no matter where they go, all art is gunna be thought to be traced. Regardless if they did or didn't trace it.

 

If people go looking for "traced images" they are gunna find it.

 

Because there are billions upon billions of artworks put on the internet from Photography to Digital and Traditional art, to even Literature. You will always always find something similar to another.

 

With how relentless I know some people are on this site in terms of holding grudges and poking into peoples personal matters, I would recommend they (Tazzay and EEF) just change their names and make a new start under a different name. And if they did trace, don't do it again.

 

Since no matter what they do now, everyone is gunna assume it's traced and find any image they can to "prove" it.

 

Do I think they traced? I don't know, don't care at this point. But witch hunts are ridiculous.

 

What if they didn't trace, and it was all negative intent? Says a lot about what the past can do to you.

This.

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In my opinion TJ should not have said anything about the tracing. The breach of contract was enough to have it pulled.

 

It seems incredibly malicious to smear the name of two artists - with no REAL proof, only speculative images provided by someone who went through every single image on one of their DA's (according to Tazzar, anyway, the one image EEF was accused of tracing was from six years ago).

 

If TJ had just explained about the breach of contract it would have been fine. That is a legitimate enough reason. But his post made it seem like the tracing was "needed" in conjunction with the contract breach.

 

There was no need for him to incite all of this drama, and there is only TJ to blame for the tracing argument, in the end.

 

 

Still. Tazzay's PF post says they would like the species to be removed entirely - are we going to continue ignoring that?

TJ promised to explain his side if they started talking about what happened. They mentioned tracing accusations, so it would have been strange if TJ had just said "the sketch was available, which violated the contract". He did everything he could to keep tracing accusations out of it.

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Frankly, I think we as a userbase, need to stop playing with whether it was traced or not. Proving guilt or innocence isn't my job.

 

The contract was violated. The sprites have been pulled. TJ has explained himself, which is a godsend in its own right.

Stop harrassing the artists, they do not deserve that whether guilty or innocent.

Stop harrassing TJ, he has done nothing that he doesn't have the right to do, and it's his website and his neck on the line.

 

 

Also, if the pearls were a power sink, that could explain how their magic contributes to being able to prophesy matches?

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The eggs for these were switched as well. They're floating in a post somewhere that does a comparison.

Oh that's true, but I was referring to changing them to a completely different egg from a new concept which might or might not have been purple which many people were ecstatic about. etc etc. Drama was going to happen, is all i am saying.

 

We need more antler/paw/pearl stuff.

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I am appalled that the staff on a site - even if they're not admins or mods, but spriters - could be allowed to act this way.

 

Totally inappropriate behavior. All you're doing is inciting more anger and outrage based on no proof.

^^^^ this.

 

i've been following this entire thing without saying anything so far, because i wanted things to be cleared up and to see exactly what happened.

 

completely disregarding the tracing, the way everyone is reacting and treating tazzay/eef rn is just ... hmm. it feels like there's a lot more personal bias than actual fact.

 

highkey let down with all of the dc staff. the switch in sprites was handled, but afterwards everything disintegrated.

 

i'm done with dc, i think. not going to bother with these valentine dragons.

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I just saw the adults and came to see reactions of people, only to find yet another over blown drama and hysteria. One year of DC event without brohaha would be nice. :/ Talk about a buzz kill.

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Oh. Huh. That clarifies things.

 

Though I still don't believe the conduct of in-cave spriters in this thread has been any better or worse than that of the userbase itself.

As staff, they are seen to represent the site, so they should be more careful about what they are saying, because to some people it will reflect poorly on DC.

I agree some people on all sides are behaving poorly though.

 

As far as I'm concerned it's not completely black and white, and everything anyone is saying is only reflecting on themselves.

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I think, with regards to the pearl and the paw and the antlers, that the dragon really is holding a CD. The dragons that are shown on scrolls are actually just supposed to be sketches of the dragons as we see them, so the sketched dragon just must have shed its pearl and hasn't grown another yet.

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Yet it is perfectly fine to harass TJ about his decision - which as the owner of this place - is final.

Uh...No it's not. Unless you are kidding about you're comment. I don't think it is right to harass people of their choices. And I'm sorry if I went slightly off topic :/

 

In other news EEF did one of my dragons and I will be upset if people started backlashing that dragon saying that he traced it. No, he did not! Why? Because there were no clear picture he could reference to!

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TJ promised to explain his side if they started talking about what happened. They mentioned tracing accusations, so it would have been strange if TJ had just said "the sketch was available, which violated the contract". He did everything he could to keep tracing accusations out of it.

Actually. Someone else brought up Tazzay and EEF's side. Tazzay stated, after such incident, that they wished it hadn't been mentioned. It was done against their wishes.

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*wave back*

 

I like the idea that it's down to magnetic fields and not the ultimate fantasy excuse of "magic". Metals are so connected with dragons that it makes perfect sense when you think about it. smile.gif Interesting that perhaps they require it to regulate energy but that would make the pearl a sort of power-sink, wouldn't it? How would that work?

I'll admit I'm not too good with this- I was thinking of magnet therapy; basically, magnetic bracelets are supposed to help regulate magnetic fields and improve your health. In the case of humans, it says "claims are unproven and no effects are established", but I won't argue that there are mental benefits - you believe it'll help, so it does. (or, you know, you believe it'll help more, so it does!)

 

In the case of dragons, it could be part mental (the belief that they need a pearl to be healthy, or healthier) and part magical- they are, after all, mythical pixel dragons that conjured it outta thin air; maybe they do need it. I'm also focusing on their antlers growing out of their skull! Assuming there is a lot of magic, it would make sense that a disruption (a different pearl, or a missing pearl) would 'feel' noticeably different.

 

Also, how unique would antlers be? That could definitely affect the magic/magnetic output, yeah?

 

An interesting point. But I think that the dragons wouldn't necessarily need to know the exact makeup of the pearl it's carrying. Think about it like this: My toes have been different sizes during different stages of my life. I never really knew the percentage of calcium and iron and all that, and I couldn't tell you an approximate weight of all of my toes, but I still carry them around with the proper amount of expended energy. I imagine it would be instinctive.

Plus, I can look at a football and know just how hard I needed to kick it. If it were a baseball, then I'd treat it differently because of its appearance. In the same way, a pearl composed of different proportions of metals might look drastically different or have a different magic aura. The dragon could make an estimate based off of that.

I think I'd compare it to something you'd carry growing up- maybe a puppy/kitten you got when you were 5? It's grown with you, you've both gotten bigger and stronger. Carrying it around and having it with you at all times is just 'natural' because you've adjusted your strength, but nobody'd expect you to know it's gained, say, 10 grams and a centimeter in a day! But, other people who just suddenly see this animal without any warning might go "whoa?? it's HUGE!"

 

The idea of the pearl looking different is part of what Para was getting at- we're assuming the pearl grows with the dragon, and that the colour could be affected by diet! The aura thing is definitely an interesting and reasonable possibility and it brings up a question: Do you think a lost Cermorvus pearl can be reunited with its owner by 'working backwards'? "Due to the colour, the owner could have consumed a lot of Iron growing up; due to the size, the owner must be 100/200/300 years old. Areas with high concentrations of Iron are [x], [y], and [z]-"

 

Would there be enough lost/stolen pearls to warrant this kind of detective work in the dragon world?

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I just saw the adults and came to see reactions of people, only to find yet another over blown drama and hysteria. One year of DC event without brohaha would be nice. :/ Talk about a buzz kill.

There has to be at least one holiday drama per year. No exceptions.

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I just saw the adults and came to see reactions of people, only to find yet another over blown drama and hysteria. One year of DC event without brohaha would be nice. :/ Talk about a buzz kill.

Well, it is DC - the party don't start 'til the drama walks in.

 

Though unrelatedly, I'm really sad the way the situation turned out as a whole. Inevitable end or not... I was happy to see two new artists finally get into DC, debuting with a holiday dragon. I was pretty down about losing on Valentines Day, as much as I'd tried to prepare for the inevitability (it was my first time submitting a holiday dragon and I wasn't properly inured to the whole shebang), but when the hatchlings emerged and I saw the art credits... seeing two new faces get in, I was sure that they were as happy as I would have been to finally get in cave, and that knowledge snapped me out of my funk. Perspective, I guess.

 

I'm still over it - the events here haven't changed that. I learned a lot from my spriting jaunt this season, I made friends, and I'm already making plans for my next holiday submission, but... well, I was really happy to see new faces in the cave again, and that's gone sour. In the end, nobody won. Not newbies, not in-cavers, and certainly not TJ.

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Oh that's true, but I was referring to changing them to a completely different egg from a new concept which might or might not have been purple which many people were ecstatic about. etc etc. Drama was going to happen, is all i am saying.

 

We need more antler/paw/pearl stuff.

That's true.

 

 

Also, I cannot unsee the CD.

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