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2017-02-14 - Valentine's Day!

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Wow, I've just come back after a long time to check out the news, but, can someone enlighten me on what's going on? I've probably missed the new valentines dragons too, darn... guess that's just bad luck on my end ):

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Yep, but I was thinking that story-magic shouldn't be overpowered- there should be reasons and limits on them! Not that I'm saying it's impossible or unreasonable, just that it would be easier (or require less magic/energy) for a dragon that knows the makeup of the pearl it's using. ouo

 

Consider how sports balls (soccer-, volley-, or medicine) vary- while you can run up and kick them all with the same power, they'll be sent different distances due to what they're made up of and their weights. If you know what you're dealing with, you can kick with less or more force and save your energy. (Also, if you kick a medicine ball you might hurt your foot! That brings up an interesting idea; do dragons end up needing the pearl to nullify or regulate the energy they're putting out?)

An interesting point. But I think that the dragons wouldn't necessarily need to know the exact makeup of the pearl it's carrying. Think about it like this: My toes have been different sizes during different stages of my life. I never really knew the percentage of calcium and iron and all that, and I couldn't tell you an approximate weight of all of my toes, but I still carry them around with the proper amount of expended energy. I imagine it would be instinctive.

Plus, I can look at a football and know just how hard I needed to kick it. If it were a baseball, then I'd treat it differently because of its appearance. In the same way, a pearl composed of different proportions of metals might look drastically different or have a different magic aura. The dragon could make an estimate based off of that.

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I am loving the theorycrafting in how the pearl works though, Xylene. Very nice!

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TJ posted on the 17th that he had been in contact with one of the spriters the night before...so, that would be late the 16th or early the 17th. The drop was over, people had hatchlings. And suddenly they poof and everyone has to run out to get new eggs? And they might not be purple if there were no purple concept available. And the eggs would not have the 14th as the day they were caught. Some people set a lot of store on the date thing, even for normal releases.

 

No matter how it was handled it was going to be a hot mess. And I don't care to get into tracing or copyright or anything else. I can't draw to save my life. Even my stick figures are a joke.. But the sketch did violate the agreement and that is not TJs fault.

 

I did like the first s1 hatchie, but actually I like the new adult better for some reason known only to my brain and its perceptions. No criticism to anyone.

I don't think we'd have to run out and get new eggs. It would be more like *poof the sprites and descriptions suddenly changed to completely different ones* instead of *poof, the sprites changed to different ones that are meant to be like the first*

I think that would have caused less drama, tbh.

 

 

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I do feel if Tazzay (and EdwardElricFreak) want(s) the breed as it stands to be removed, those wishes should be honored. In their shoes, I wouldn't have wanted to be told my sprites were unsuitable and then have somebody else do the replacement entirely, without being given the chance to create a replacement myself.

 

Though, again, were they to be replaced with a different breed, that's just going to create more complaints and drama.

 

I don't think we'd have to run out and get new eggs. It would be more like *poof the sprites and descriptions suddenly changed to completely different ones* instead of *poof, the sprites changed to different ones that are meant to be like the first*

I think that would have caused less drama, tbh.

I respectfully disagree. Pretty sure it would have been equal drama if not more.

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I am appalled that the staff on a site - even if they're not admins or mods, but spriters - could be allowed to act this way.

 

Totally inappropriate behavior. All you're doing is inciting more anger and outrage based on no proof.

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To everyone involved in the pearl discussion - I'm enjoying reading through it, seriously this is so going in depth snd I love it.

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There was one (1) reference that she used to help her with the positioning of the legs, the rest was done on her own. All of these images being shown were not that reference that she used, rather they are things that look similar to it - aka, a coincidence.

The image that I called a "reference" in my post was provided to me by edwardelricfreak upon asking for the references used to create the sketch. If it was not actually used, as you claim, then I don't know why she would have sent it to me.

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Wow, I've just come back after a long time to check out the news, but, can someone enlighten me on what's going on? I've probably missed the new valentines dragons too, darn... guess that's just bad luck on my end ):

Ask around the forums, someone might be bound to give you one smile.gif

 

Anyway, there's a lot of drama about the sprites. EEF and Tazzy are being accused of tracing a part of the dragon (and Tazzy has a record of this) and their sprite was replaced with the sprite we have right now.

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I am appalled that the staff on a site - even if they're not admins or mods, but spriters - could be allowed to act this way.

 

Totally inappropriate behavior. All you're doing is inciting more anger and outrage based on no proof.

I agree. It is making it seem like they have a personal vendetta against Tazzay, which is what they are saying is happening. ;/

 

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I am appalled that the staff on a site - even if they're not admins or mods, but spriters - could be allowed to act this way.

 

Totally inappropriate behavior. All you're doing is inciting more anger and outrage based on no proof.

Spriters are not staff. They have a contractual agreement to DC, but they're not staff.

 

And, again, the tracing isn't even necessarily the point. The contract was breached even without it.

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TJ posted on the 17th that he had been in contact with one of the spriters the night before...so, that would be late the 16th or early the 17th. The drop was over, people had hatchlings. And suddenly they poof and everyone has to run out to get new eggs? And they might not be purple if there were no purple concept available. And the eggs would not have the 14th as the day they were caught. Some people set a lot of store on the date thing, even for normal releases.

 

No matter how it was handled it was going to be a hot mess. And I don't care to get into tracing or copyright or anything else. I can't draw to save my life. Even my stick figures are a joke.. But the sketch did violate the agreement and that is not TJs fault.

 

I did like the first s1 hatchie, but actually I like the new adult better for some reason known only to my brain and its perceptions. No criticism to anyone.

Not deletion. Fog until replacement. It's happened on site before with oddball eggs from GoNs x newly released not yet elemental breeds. Admittedly stranger here but still possible.

 

Or heck, just replace the sprites immediately with whatever other amazing Valentine concept was second place this time around. I imagine there's at least a dozen nice options.

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Spriters are not staff. They have a contractual agreement to DC, but they're not staff.

 

And, again, the tracing isn't even necessarily the point. The contract was breached even without it.

Semantics - they are a part of the site. I consider them to be staff. They hold a position within the site, whatever other word there is for it, it's appalling that they're allowed to harass and antagonize anyone else. No matter what they're accused of.

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Ask around the forums, someone might be bound to give you one smile.gif

 

Anyway, there's a lot of drama about the sprites. EEF and Tazzy are being accused of tracing a part of the dragon (and Tazzy has a record of this) and their sprite was replaced with the sprite we have right now.

Ah, thank you so much for the explanation!

Well, I think the current sprites look cool and tracing shouldn't be a tolerated act under any means... hopefully, the drama will die down and everybody will have a good time with the event biggrin.gif

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Or heck, just replace the sprites immediately with whatever other amazing Valentine concept was second place this time around. I imagine there's at least a dozen nice options.

I too think that this might've been the best option. I mean, no option was going to be good, and it's easy to say now that such and such would've been the best option, but at least then you don't have the criticisms saying "cheap knockoff" or saying it's disrespectful to the original spriters to just replace the sprite with a similar one.

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Spriters are not staff. They have a contractual agreement to DC, but they're not staff.

 

And, again, the tracing isn't even necessarily the point. The contract was breached even without it.

TJ said they are in this news post

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Not deletion. Fog until replacement. It's happened on site before with oddball eggs from GoNs x newly released not yet elemental breeds. Admittedly stranger here but still possible.

 

Or heck, just replace the sprites immediately with whatever other amazing Valentine concept was second place this time around. I imagine there's at least a dozen nice options.

I think replacing the whole thing and releasing these dragons some other time when the issues were fixed (as next years Valentine, another Holiday, regular dragon, whatever) would have caused less drama. Plus, as has been said, if I were Tazzay and EEF I'd be really annoyed that someone else was spriting my concept...

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Look, the last thing is that I want to ask for people to stop going out of their way and 'warning' other site owners about using eef's or my art. It isn't fair for us if people go out - again - on a witch hunt to destroy our image like that. Digging into our deviant art account (which, mind, with my account I haven't logged in in almost three years) to 'find' things that look like the pose our dragons are in is just wanting to make us look worse. I get that some of you are in a censorkip.gif mood about this, but I just want it to stop, please.

 

Both eef and I feel like we're now being stalked over this incident. We've started removing links to our other profiles because of it. We are both trying to distance ourselves from this in order to calm down and forget about it, but some of you are following us to other places to continue to make us look bad. Is it really fair for that to happen to us?

 

I have asked for the names, descriptions and resemblances to our dragon be changed, and at the same time we will change the dragon so that it will look different in the future.

 

Please, just for everyone's sake - leave this be. Please stop.

Just going to bring this up again because it is getting buried.

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I am currently trying to go back through the thread to see what all happened, but from what I've picked up on, I really wish that I had a chance to see the old sprites. I have no way to compare them. Everywhere in the thread that it looks like the old ones were shown, they're gone. :/

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Yet it is perfectly fine to harass TJ about his decision - which as the owner of this place - is final.

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I am currently trying to go back through the thread to see what all happened, but from what I've picked up on, I really wish that I had a chance to see the old sprites. I have no way to compare them. Everywhere in the thread that it looks like the old ones were shown, they're gone. :/

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Here's the old adult sprite.

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I don't think we'd have to run out and get new eggs. It would be more like *poof the sprites and descriptions suddenly changed to completely different ones* instead of *poof, the sprites changed to different ones that are meant to be like the first*

I think that would have caused less drama, tbh.

There are still eggs out there that have not hatched. How would that be done? Suddenly change the egg sprites too? There was going to be drama. How much and what sort is unknown to anyone, but never underestimate the ability of DC to descend into hysteria at the drop of a hat. xd.png

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I am currently trying to go back through the thread to see what all happened, but from what I've picked up on, I really wish that I had a chance to see the old sprites. I have no way to compare them. Everywhere in the thread that it looks like the old ones were shown, they're gone. :/

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These are the original sprites.

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Thank you TJ for your explanations. I appreciate how all of this affected you and your wonderful site. I recognize that if you did nothing that your reputation and that of DC could have "taken a hit" be it for the breach of contract or plagiarism.

 

I thank you and the anonymous spriter for the substitute dragon art and trying to make a smooth transition from this difficult situation.

 

I have been on this site long enough to have witnessed other drama, though not like this. It has all worked itself out with time.

 

I have lived long enough to know that "as bad as this moment seems, it is only a moment." Life is like that. Many things happen in our daily lives to which we get no explanations, _ _ _ _ happens.

 

Despite all the drama this has caused, life will go on; memories of this will fade and we will be once again looking forward to new dragons and new adventures.

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Honestly. If there was 0 history of tracing, and it was a brand new artist with a good background. No one would have batted an eye.

 

Now that there is tracing in the background of Tazzay and EdwardElricFreak, no matter where they go, all art is gunna be thought to be traced. Regardless if they did or didn't trace it.

 

If people go looking for "traced images" they are gunna find it.

 

Because there are billions upon billions of artworks put on the internet from Photography to Digital and Traditional art, to even Literature. You will always always find something similar to another.

 

With how relentless I know some people are on this site in terms of holding grudges and poking into peoples personal matters, I would recommend they (Tazzay and EEF) just change their names and make a new start under a different name. And if they did trace, don't do it again.

 

Since no matter what they do now, everyone is gunna assume it's traced and find any image they can to "prove" it.

 

Do I think they traced? I don't know, don't care at this point. But witch hunts are ridiculous.

 

What if they didn't trace, and it was all negative intent? Says a lot about what the past can do to you.

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