Update DC to the standards of newer pet sites

[Dragon_Arbock]

Another option would be a breeding stud option in which players could arrange to try and breed with male dragons put up on a stud page... some sort of game credits, points would probably have to be involved.

This would be interesting, but DC's game design kills this in two ways- Dragons only produce one egg, so one person would get nothing, and two.. if they instead multiclutched, the person who gets to pick first would take the best egg, since you can tell what dragon it is just by egg; as in, if someone put their rare up for stud, and they bred it with a non rare, and in the multiclutch one rare was produced, who gets it?

[silver_tiger]

This would be interesting, but DC's game design kills this in two ways- Dragons only produce one egg, so one person would get nothing, and two.. if they instead multiclutched, the person who gets to pick first would take the best egg, since you can tell what dragon it is just by egg; as in, if someone put their rare up for stud, and they bred it with a non rare, and in the multiclutch one rare was produced, who gets it?

This is discussed in the 'escort' BSA; I don't agree with it in the least, but the idea is that no matter what, the dragons would produce two of the same egg if it produced anything at all.

 

Probably means a lack of rares, at the very least, but I just don't like the idea of breeding my dragon with someone else's dragon /shrug.

[Dragon_Arbock]

I wouldn't mind studding my dragons out- I like when people want to keep my lineages. I just know if the payoff is not equal there could be issues.

 

Also, to whoever said Silvi's wouldn't make eggs sick, I did an experiment- Put a Silver Egg in Silvi's at 7 days. It was sick within 3 hours. This is why I don't put things in hatcheries unless I'm around to monitor them.

It only took 135 v, 37 uv, 1 c to make it sick. If I had another I'd test EatW, but Silvi's is not the answer to people knowing they will be away.

[DuskOfTheStars]

I wouldn't mind studding my dragons out- I like when people want to keep my lineages. I just know if the payoff is not equal there could be issues.

 

Also, to whoever said Silvi's wouldn't make eggs sick, I did an experiment- Put a Silver Egg in Silvi's at 7 days. It was sick within 3 hours. This is why I don't put things in hatcheries unless I'm around to monitor them.

It only took 135 v, 37 uv, 1 c to make it sick. If I had another I'd test EatW, but Silvi's is not the answer to people knowing they will be away.

When I put 7d eggs in EatW, I get appx. 60-70V/20-40UV/1-2C stats, going off memory. EatW has an algorithm for eggs based on age. The only eggs that tend to be issues when using EatW alone are Sunrise/sets thanks to their hatching windows and EatW detecting them as ER when they dip below 4d but aren't in their window yet and going hyperview mode.

 

The only egg I've seen get sick that low was a rather touchy Mistletoe that cleared up pretty quickly. And yes, I've put metals in there myself. I've also never had incuhatched dragons get sick, either. (There's an issue with incuhatched Prizes getting sick. Never had that.)

Edited January 16, 2017 by Dusky_Flareon

[Pokemonfan13]

There's a huge difference between sick and dying. A good while ago I would put my eggs into AOND immediately. They would always get sick, but they never died, and would get well soon enough. I have no idea if it is still safe to do that with AOND, though. I'll try an experiment with Silvi's where I put it in and do nothing if it gets sick.

[Kith]

Also, to whoever said Silvi's wouldn't make eggs sick, I did an experiment- Put a Silver Egg in Silvi's at 7 days. It was sick within 3 hours. This is why I don't put things in hatcheries unless I'm around to monitor them.

It only took 135 v, 37 uv, 1 c to make it sick. If I had another I'd test EatW, but Silvi's is not the answer to people knowing they will be away.

That's odd... I also have put eggs in Silvi's immediately and they haven't been ill, though I usually wait 4 hours to put them in there and then start adding more hatcheries once they're 12+ hours old.

[Pokemonfan13]

Well, waiting 4 hours isn't exactly a fresh egg. I tried a test tonight and here are the notes.

 

1-17 12:15 am - Put absolutely fresh 7 day red finned tidal in silvi's (was NOT incubated)

1-17 1:18 am - An hour later, is not sick

1-17 2:31 am - A little more than two hours after adding the egg. Not sick. Has a view count of 35-20-1. Maybe I skewed my test by starting so late, but I picked up the egg when my slot opened. I will try to do a more "prime time" test next time.

 

I doubt it would get sick over the night given how low the views have been and the fact that time is passing. If it does get sick I'll update here. I didn't incubate the egg because incubation makes an egg more fragile. Also, someone who adds 7 day eggs is caring more about making sure the egg doesn't die of neglect, because they might forget or be unable to add it later, than making sure it hatches at the first opportunity. Incubate can be done later when it's safe if such a person is there to do it.

Edited January 17, 2017 by Pokemonfan13

[Dragon_Arbock]

I actually ran two tests- first was 7 common/uncommon eggs (2 CB Blacks, and 5 CB Azures), none of them got sick and are currently hatchlings and still in Silvi's.

But after that I put the Silver in, and the Silver got sick- going off that I feel like rares are more likely to get sick? Either because different eggs have different tolerance, or because people pay attention to them more..

But maybe it was just time of the day. I'm really not sure. The only difference I can note is I did incubate the 7 eggs I put in the first time, but did not incubate the Silver until after it was already cured from sick, so I don't know.

[Kith]

Well, waiting 4 hours isn't exactly a fresh egg.

I know, I was just noting that while I didn't usually put in fresh eggs, I have before. So while I've got a pool of data to contribute, it's very small.

[Fuzzbucket]

I'm sorry to say that there are people who will repeatedly view metals, not even bombers, but people looking for people to ask for breeding and so on. I've had requests starting out I saw your gold in valleysherwood and wonder if you would breed me a sib... That doesn't happen with your average water or mint!

[Shin'a'in]

I actually ran two tests- first was 7 common/uncommon eggs (2 CB Blacks, and 5 CB Azures), none of them got sick and are currently hatchlings and still in Silvi's.

But after that I put the Silver in, and the Silver got sick- going off that I feel like rares are more likely to get sick? Either because different eggs have different tolerance, or because people pay attention to them more..

But maybe it was just time of the day. I'm really not sure. The only difference I can note is I did incubate the 7 eggs I put in the first time, but did not incubate the Silver until after it was already cured from sick, so I don't know.

I ONLY use Silvi's Lair for ALL of my egg hatching needs whether they've been bred or are nabbed from the AP and I tend to mainly breed my few Thwuds,Holiday ( on their specific days OR when I want to make sure that I'll get the egg of the breed bred to said breeds ),Dorkfaces and metallics and the different prize dragons of the gold/silver/bronze variety and have NEVER had any of those issues as of yet and I'm one of those folks that'll put their eggs in right as soon as they've hunted the biomes/AP or just been bred then upon waking up and upon crashing until they all hatch and grow up.

[Moonlightelf]

Okay... read through entire thread, phew... that took a while.

And I have quite a few pet sites under my belt.

 

Eggs ToD removed

Certainly no. The eggs dying has some charm to it in my opinion. It may seem cruel to someone that something just blatantly dies if they don't care from it... but that is how it is in reality if you don't take care of your own pet.

 

Besides... Only times I had something die on me have been when I have simply forgotten the site for longer while, kill things on purpose... or when I was new and had no idea how to deal with things.

And now I have my eggs and hatchlings growing in 8 hatcheries and they still aren't even getting sick.

To list them: Egg Drop Soup, EatW, Dragon Breeders Cave (public hatchery), Silvi's Lair, Valley Sherwood, The Hatching Club, AoND & DragHatch.

I know... I'm sounding utterly crazy to have them in so many places, but that's because I know what I'm doing. In past I had them in 12 hatcheries and the little buggers still wouldn't die, but naturally I had to drop some as they stopped existing...

I do have 9th one too if I ever need it, Daily Dragon Fix, but that's rarely used since it requires some clicks to keep the dragons there.

 

I am currently in Flight Rising, ChickenSmoothie and in addition Valley of Unicorns, where the growing pets do not in fact die, I still come back to DC to view my eggs and hatchlings, since they do require my care. In other sites, not so much truly, which only makes me look at the progress and be "meh, not yet".

Tale of Dragons also used to have the same mechanic of eggs not dying, but... they still needed the views...

...and don't get me started with Magistream... I suppose I still have some eggs there that I left many many years ago and they still haven't hatched... at least last time I checked... more about this one too later...

 

User Activated Rollover

Oh goddess no... no... no.

While I myself am quite active in adoptable sites whenever I have the time... I never saw charm in coming on daily, especially if you have to do something in order to keep the progress going on.

 

In CS, of course, is no such thing and is even less engaging than DC (will come back to this later).

VoU... you could click your own eggs and Daycare to earn silver and have progress, but otherwise you are not again required to do it. The rollover only affected the Daycare really.

ToD... same thing as VoU basically.

Magistream also had clicking that you have to do to earn currency, but... truthfully, I never found enough practical place to get the clicking done nicely and easily. And they weren't entered in any places either, which is why I just gave it up due to fact that things were just growing too slowly... and I didn't want to bother people, nor be required to post into forums, since I'm only posting when there really is something to address.

 

FR... I have to say my interest for that site has greatly diminished during the two years I have been there, barely coming for the Flight Holidays to get the limited items... because daily feeding and retaining the bonus that way. Not thrilled. More reasons coming as we go through these points...

 

Then... there's one more site that I used to be in, but is now gone that sort of had need for daily visits: DragonAdopters (DrA for short, someone ought to remember).

Now... In DrA, while you could only have total of 5 to 7 dragons... I don't quite remember since it's been years since it closed down. But there was a mechanic that you needed to go see your dragons daily, otherwise they'd get somewhat depressed or something like that, then stop growing and producing resources. Needless to say, I usually stressed over it, given that I felt bad for my little babies over there...

 

Prize Shop

Yes please o3o If we are not going to get Unfreeze, then I would very much appreciate replacing some of the CB Holiday hatchlings from time, when we could only have 2 of each Valentine and Christmas dragons. And I wouldn't mind from CB Tinsels and Shimmer-scales either, given that I want lowest gen possible from everything <3 Because scroll goals.

 

Adult Trading

By all means, no... no one gets to say they deserve something that I raised... And any newbie or self-entitled person would most likely jump on my already few CB Golds and Silvers, maybe even some of my CB holidays since those are all I have that are enough valuable for trading. So NO.

 

Now if we are to put the lore into the picture...

What's the purpose of our scrolls? What are we called? IE: Hunters, breeders, etc? Do we "own" the dragons we raise?

There are a few ways this could go. Obviously, it's unlikely that there are humans out there that raise hundreds/thousands of dragons, given that dragons probably live longer than people.

 

So to some extent, it's all just Game Logic℠, just like it's unlikely that a Pokemon can hatch then evolve to full maturity within a few days (of in-game time).

 

More likely is that there are people who have a close partnership with one (or a few?) dragon(s).

 

I did have the passing thought of the scrolls being a "game" by kids who are playing pretend by raising imaginary dragons and keeping track of their progress on paper. But that might be trivializing all of DC.

 

It's probably best to just leave that up to interpretation.

~ DC Lore AMA

With this... I say it's completely up to scroll owner as to why, where and how we intercept the lore to take place when it comes to "owning" dragons.

 

Someone already mentioned the increased desire to hack into other people's accounts and steal their dragons if this is implemented... not to mention the trade market already being rather impossible to some new people with 2nd gens of Prizes and certain CBs... Mixing the adults into that will truly mess it up.

...not to mention that I'd seriously feel bad for anyone who has many rares and they'd get pestered to trade them only because they "have so many of them"... or CB Prize dragon owners getting pestered to trade that dragon...

 

Also in ChickenSmoothie, the rarities, even if they have been set... they too have been skewed pretty badly even if they are fully grown pets that they trade... and if you have no idea about what is going on truly with pet values, you get seriously screwed over if you have something way more valuable than you think it is. Especially during December 18th when one gets possibly List pets out of the box if they are lucky enough, hence why the big bold texts there warn newer people, just like another user mentioned.

 

I'd also like to point out... now I wasn't in for this myself, but I have heard in VoU about practice, where adults were "traded over" just for breeding and then returned to owner... while it was innocent and people had good intentions in their hearts, there were cases where some rarer horses weren't returned... needless to say, it turned into ugly mess that the staff had to deal with it... and later it was placed in rules that prohibits this activity.

 

FR isn't spared from this either... I heard that someone was loaning their KS Familiar to other people to give the chance to fulfill their entry in Bestiary. They too got screwed over by one who didn't give it back...

 

Games

...CS is even less engaging than DC. Pick pets once a month on 1st... attend the holidays... During Easter, Summer event and Halloween you have banner hunting for couple weeks, getting to click the banner about every 20 minutes for about 2 weeks.

It gets more engaging only if you attend to trades and obsess to get all pets.

 

DC is same way, except you come here approximately once a week and holidays. Holiday games are good past time during holidays... And I like that I don't have to engage too much really, since it gives me chance to do something else than sit in front of computer.

I admit, I do need CB Golds and Silvers in my scroll goals. But I choose not to stress about them. They come to me when they are supposed to come. I don't actively attend trading either, because I just know I don't have what they are looking for. Instead I do my own little things at pace that I want.

Heck, I'd probably enjoy the old holiday games played again. Or something that is actually fun, but isn't required to be played to enjoy the site itself...

 

As for something similar to FR's games... NO. Keep that disgustingly mandatory Coliseum/Fairground grinding out of here...

True... you have chance to get the Holiday Skins and Items from Market and Festive Favors... somewhat equal chance... and good if you have the Dominance bonus for it (it isn't guaranteed for the Flight's Holiday even, it could be snatched by another Flight if they were enough of a jerk). One entire week to get those items, two of them being in Baldwin though... not many are even able to brew those items, so next option is Auction House... which means more grinding since those go for 50k-75k treasure... some skins do come down in prices in AH...

Though the grinding... grind for holiday currency, grind for treasure to get the items from Market or AH... grind to get food, otherwise your dragons will starve... grind to get anything, because it's a requirement to get the treasure to buy anything and gathering alone isn't going to be enough to get food to your dragons.

And while someone might be at grinding... same background... same enemies... same wrist pain that you had yesterday or day before...

The Fairgrounds were okay, but the payout was so small and games so repetitive that I couldn't keep my attention on them for more than hour. Jigsaw was nice that I didn't have to pay attention to it, but the payout suffered since I was taking too long with it, which shouldn't be the case when doing that kind of thing.

This is the biggest reason why I had my interest for FR diminish... and after 2 years of being there, I'm sick and tired of stressing over it... if you had no treasure, you get absolutely nothing what you want there... I'm not going to mention the ridiculous prices that keep growing as inflation grows... Not to mention some people wanting only gems.

 

Sure, it may seem like I am hypocrite, since you need to click things VoU to get silver... but in VoU, at least I know that same time I'm helping people to grow their eggs and foals to make them grow. The Daycare is also very practical, making way to more things that you haven't clicked. And everything you grabbed... automatically entered there so you don't really have to worry of them not growing.

 

DrA actually did farming and racing as well as a past time... I absolutely hated those games since they were basically competitions against other players, but at the very least, I wasn't forced to play them to get stuff I needed.

 

Destroying AP eggs

Absolutely no. One man's trash is another man's treasure. One man's meat is another man's poison... One man's pleasure is another's pain... etc... etc...

Some people breed whatever they want to. Some throw things there for other people to grab. Sometimes they are pleasant, sometimes you just get your nose wrinkled up and toss it back... but someone will eventually keep one of them for one reason or another and treasure it.

Edited January 17, 2017 by Moonlightelf

[Paradisiske]

for the whole stud thing i would recommend looking at howrse. people can put up their male horses up for stud but the horses never leave their account. instead someone with a female horse can go look at listings and choose which male horse they want to be the father and bam they breed their female horse with the male horse without the horses ever switching accounts

[Draconiusultamius]

for the whole stud thing i would recommend looking at howrse. people can put up their male horses up for stud but the horses never leave their account. instead someone with a female horse can go look at listings and choose which male horse they want to be the father and bam they breed their female horse with the male horse without the horses ever switching accounts

That would be a good idea, since it could discourage inbreeding and help lineages. Only thing is, it could also lead to certain people being pressured to place males out for breeding, mainly CB prizes with inactive accounts.

[Fuzzbucket]

There is no particular reason to discourage inbreeding. TJ has said over and over again that there is nothing wrong with it, and that it has no effect on the game.

 

Just as a reminder.

[Paradisiske]

That would be a good idea, since it could discourage inbreeding and help lineages. Only thing is, it could also lead to certain people being pressured to place males out for breeding, mainly CB prizes with inactive accounts.

also i would like to point out that the male horse doesnt have to go on cooldown when bred like that just the female horse

[LadyShadowHeart]

No support. I'm old fashioned and love DC just as it is, inbred lineages and all. Putting male dragons up for breeding would change the site immensely, as some people would expect payment.

[Fuzzbucket]

also i would like to point out that the male horse doesnt have to go on cooldown when bred like that just the female horse

Please explain exactly what you mean - do you mean that dragons "put out to stud" wouldn't have to have a breeding CD ? I do NOT support that.

 

And why no CD for one sex and CD for the the other ?

[Jazeki]

Please explain exactly what you mean - do you mean that dragons "put out to stud" wouldn't have to have a breeding CD ? I do NOT support that.

 

And why no CD for one sex and CD for the the other ?

I assume it would be because your lady dragon is technically the one producing the egg. While the male can endlessly breed.

[Fuzzbucket]

 

Well - I was thinking more no fair for the owner of the gerrul ! Who'd breed for someone else if the other person got to breed their dragon again at once and you had to wait a week ?

 

After all - otherwise why do males have a CD now ?

Edited February 12, 2017 by fuzzbucket

[Jazeki]

 

Well - I was thinking more no fair for the owner of the gerrul ! Who'd breed for someone else if the other person got to breed their dragon again at once and you had to wait a week ?

 

After all - otherwise why do males have a CD now ?

I agree. I would like cross scroll breeding if they both went on cooldown like we do now. We can at least pretend that the male is doing something other than planting his dragonly seed and going off to make a sandwich after. LOL.

[Paradisiske]

well maybe while the male is up on stud it wouldnt be on cooldown but once you take it off stud you'd have to wait a month to breed him again or put him up for stud again

[olympe]

I'd rather keep it simple and stud services out of service.

[Fuzzbucket]

I would like cross scroll breeding if they both went on cooldown like we do now.

I wouldn't like it anyway - but I do think IF it happens they should BOTH have the cooldown.

[Jazeki]

well maybe while the male is up on stud it wouldnt be on cooldown but once you take it off stud you'd have to wait a month to breed him again or put him up for stud again

Oh dear. Some of my most sought after dragons are male. I already don't breed celestial dragons that often because of the cooldown. Stud breeding isn't worth that much of a cooldown. I'd rather stick with what we have.