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Aurax (Golden moon) Waxing gibbous

Cirion (Blue moon) Waxing gibbous

 

Bred at 08:59 PM EST

 

Lumina x Silver Shimmerscale

 

Literally just found out about these when I went to breed my shimmerscale and I was so confused on what egg I had just bred. Figured I'd add to the data. :]

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For my own notes until I get the sheet update:

 

Spotted:

XLDQO - Lumina - 11/12/2016 - 4:09 PM - Alpine - A: Waxing Gibbous - C: Waxing Gibbous

O5DS9 - Lumina - 11/12/2016 - 4:30 PM - Alpine - A: Waxing Gibbous - C: Waxing Gibbous

 

(Codes changed to protect eggs.)

Edit: Adding eggs.

Edited by Shokomon

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I bred 5 pairs today. Got mate's breed of both mixed pairs. One light pair gave dark egg, one dark pair gave light egg, one dark pair gave dark egg. I have put all on spreadsheet.

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Dustpuppy, I've observed breeding go all dark on days when the cave is producing both. It's why I think we really should rely on cave data, even though it's harder to gather. (the posts above for the same moon status illustrate this. A total of 3 darks and 1 light bred when the cave, based on my own observations, is clearly producing a majority of light luminas)

 

Aurax (Golden moon) Waxing gibbous

Cirion (Blue moon) Waxing gibbous

 

rxjbj - Light in Forest @ 7:19pm

kzfmg - Dark in Desert @ 7:20pm

qiduo - Light in Alpine @ 7:30pm

h51nf - Light in Desert @ 8:50pm

sdtzg - Light in Volcano @ 9:07pm

s0dr1 - Light in Alpine @ 2:41am

 

(still the same moons)

lnwsi - Light in Alpine @ 8:11pm

 

 

I'm not finding any more, but I'll edit if I do.

Edited by Pokemonfan13

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Back for another go! Got my friend BSD to participate this time, too. Got one no-egg result, one off-breed result, and one normal Lumina.

 

Time of Day It is night. The sun is setting.

Season Fall

Moon Phases

Aurax (Golden moon) Waning gibbous

Cirion (Blue moon) Waning gibbous

 

M Lumina x F Golden Wyvern = Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/RE3Zb

 

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OK, now for mine again...

 

No Egg: 9

Off Breed: 3

 

F Lumina x M Silver = Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/0HXH4

 

F Lumina x M Alt Black = Dark Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/llyCE

 

M Lumina x F Albino = Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/hZpft

 

F Lumina x M Guardian = Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/Vadol

 

F Lumina x M Albino = Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/C4efu

 

Wow, very unproductive this time. But of the few Lumina eggs produced, all but one were the Light type.

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Just bred my Dark Luminae.

 

Time of Day: It is night.

Season: Fall

Aurax (Golden moon): Waning gibbous

Cirion (Blue moon): Waning crescent

 

Out of 8 pairings, I got 1 refusal, 1 no interest, 1 off-breed and 5 Dark Luminae.

 

Also, when I was cave hunting yesterday I noticed quiet a few Dark Luminae I would think throughout the day and probably no Light Luminae.

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I saw at least two in the cave last night, but did not get the codes. Sorry.

 

And my breeding has yielded nothing but Darks this week.

Edited by purplehaze

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Would someone please add this data to the sheet?

 

Just cought a Dark Lumina in Volcano. https://dragcave.net/lineage/59tlu

 

Time of Day: It is day.

Season: Fall

Aurax (Golden moon): Waning gibbous

Cirion (Blue moon): Waning crescent

 

Nov 22, 2016, 02:59 pm

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Just took a Dark Lumina from the Jungle. Also, about to begin another breeding cycle.

 

Time of Day It is night.

Season Fall

Moon Phases

Aurax (Golden moon) Waning crescent

Cirion (Blue moon) New

 

No Egg: 2

Off Breed: 1

Refusal: 1 (Dark Lumina x normal Lumina, lol)

 

Lumina F x Silver M = Dark Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/Hor3f

 

Lumina M x Red F = Dark Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/buVs4

 

Lumina F x Falconiform M = Dark Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/agMra

 

Lumina F x Bronze Tinsel M = Dark Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/pHTou

 

Lumina F x Guardian M = Dark Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/7CkvS

 

Lumina F x Albino M = Dark Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/svXLN

 

Lumina M x Tsunami Wyvern F = Dark Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/m8woO

 

Lumina M x Almandine Pyralspite F = Dark Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/XxXO5

 

Lumina F x Aria M = Dark Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/83jIi

 

Lumina F x Antarean M = Dark Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/IEMLx

 

Lumina F x Silver M = Dark Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/59QRc

 

Dark Lumina M x Witchlight F = Dark Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/aNg1E (Also, I WANT this egg! Its code is great! Will reward anyone who catches it from the AP and is willing to trade it to me!)

 

Dark Lumina M x Black F = Dark Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/MWxfC

 

Results: All non-off-breed eggs were Dark Luminas and almost all pairs produced an egg this time.

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At the 5 minute drop I just saw 4 Dark Lumina, 2 in Alpine (xeCKF, g3zwx), 1 in Coast (JX909) and 1 in Jungle (8TLcv).

 

Time of Day: It is day.

Season: Fall

Aurax (Golden moon): Waning crescent

Cirion (Blue moon): New

 

Haven't added them to the sheet 'cause I really need to go to bed...

 

 

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I can't believe Dark Lumina's breeding system is still unconfirmed, I swear the only dragon to have held out longer than this is the ND xd.png

 

Are there any leading theories with all the data collected? Has anyone spoken to Corteo to confirm or deny these theories?

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I just saw a Dark Lumina in the Volcano, I'm trying to collect other things so I haven't grabbed it. (9s4ab)

 

Maybe once the breeding pattern for these guys is figured out, I'll like them better xd.png

 

Also, question; are these guys considered common or uncommon?

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Anyone else then me must add this to the spreadsheet.

 

Time of Day: It is day. The sun is rising.

Season: Fall

Aurax (Golden moon): Waning crescent

Cirion (Blue moon): Waxing crescent

 

Bred this Dark Lumina and i was hoping for a Dark Lumina.^^

https://dragcave.net/lineage/Qz34Y

 

Action log: Nov 25, 2016, 10:15 am

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I'm so sorry. I haven't been keeping up with this at all.

 

I've been so busy recently.

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Time of Day It is night. The sun is setting.

Season Fall

Moon Phases

Aurax (Golden moon) New

Cirion (Blue moon) Full

 

I'm starting to get a hypothesis going. If it's correct, I should see either a lot of normal Luminas or a roughly 50/50 mix. Here goes...

 

No Egg: 18

Off Breed: 1

 

OK, well... I guess I've been breeding them too often. The first five all made no egg. In fact, I'm calling tonight's batch inconclusive because of how few actually made an egg.

 

Bronze Tinsel m x Lumina f = Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/wSDVl

 

Dark Lumina m x Cronos Xenowyrm f = Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/2xyuf

Edited by Lurhstaap

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i don't know if this is worth reporting but, like Lurhstaap, i got mostly nothing. in fact, out of 18 breeding attempts, i didn't get a single egg.

 

just for the record:

 

Time of Day

It is night

 

Season

Fall

 

Moon Phases

Aurax (Golden moon)

New

Cirion (Blue moon)

Full

Edited by miaou

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There's a Light Lumina in the cave, "dyvwa" (caps messed)

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Wow, we still don't know? Damn, it must be pretty complicated givenyou how fastto we cracked theme Heralds.

Okay, gonna breed my CB Luminae, will report, but I won't add to the spreadsheet since I use my phone.

 

M.Lumina x f.Mageia = Light Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/tbXn8

 

M.Lumina x f.Aeon = Aeon (probably my fault since Aeon ratios are still pretty jacked)

https://dragcave.net/lineage/jc6Ax

 

F.Lumina x m.Blacktip = Blacktip

https://dragcave.net/lineage/BekTw

 

F.Dark Lumina x m.Albino = Albino

https://dragcave.net/lineage/6W2nY

 

F.Dark Lumina x m.Rainbow Copper = no egg

 

M.Dark Lumina x f.Aria = Aria

https://dragcave.net/lineage/n0ju8

 

F.Dark Lumina x m.Black Tea = Black Tea

https://dragcave.net/lineage/XULF3

 

F.Dark Lumina x m.Blusang = refusal (I think we can discount this since refusals are universal)

 

F.Dark Lumina x Pacified Aegis = Light Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/6XSgN

 

F.Dark Lumina x m.Frill = no interest

 

M.Dark Lumina x f.Witchlight = Light Lumina

https://dragcave.net/lineage/VOGHW

 

 

So I find it weird that aside from holidays only the Xenowyrm gave a Lumina egg at all, but the majority of thise bred were D.Lumina and all were L.Lumina eggs.

 

It is night, the sun is setting

It is fall

Aurax = waxing cresent

Cirion = waning gibbous

Breeding took ten to fifteen minutes, and concluded at five to ten past seven pm cave time

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I just bred a dark lumina through an Albino (CB male) and a Light Lumina (Messy Lineaged Female). I was actually hoping for an albino to experiment creating a neggie.

 

Time of day: It is Day (12:56pm EST)

 

Season: Fall

 

Aurax (Golden Moon): Waxing crescent

 

Cirion (Blue Moon): Waning gibbous

 

https://dragcave.net/lineage/8mWFu

Edited by kyleedj

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Wow, still nothing? Well, I've bred 27 Luminae just now. Feel free to add my results to the spreadsheet.

 

Lumina x Kingcrowne: Kingcrowne

DL x Bleeding Moon: DL

DL x White: no egg

DL x White: DL

DL x Magma: DL

DL x LL: DL

DL x Lunar Herald, blue: DL

Pyro Xeno x DL: refusal

Bleeding Moon x DL: BM

DL x Undine: DL

 

LL x Black tea: no egg

LL x Silver: DL

LL x Xeno(Mageia): DL

LL x Yellow Undine: LL!!!

LL x Xeno (Mageia): no egg

Llx Sunsong Amphiptere: DL

LL x Yeno Mageia: DL

LL x Xeno Mageia: no egg

LL x Xeno Mageia: Xeno Pyro

LL x Xeno Mageia: LL!

LL x Yellow Undine: DL

LL x Horse: no egg

LL x Horse: no interest

LL x Coastal Waverunner: CW egg

LL x Swallowtail: SWT egg

LL x Anagallis: Anagallis egg

 

Time of Day It is day. (I bred them around 1:30 pm)

Season Fall

Moon Phases

Aurax (Golden moon) Waxing crescent

Cirion (Blue moon) Waning gibbous

 

I underlined the Light Luminae eggs, as they are obviously the rarer variety.

Edited by Fly-by-Night

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OK, I've got enough of a hypothesis going to ask for falsifying data. This concerns BRED eggs only, as it's easier to diagnose focusing on just them rather than trying to pay attention to CB patterns at the same time. Once the breeding pattern is understood we can test it and see if it applies to the CBs or not.

 

So! Please, everyone, try to DISPROVE the following contentions:

 

- It has to do with the moons, I believe.

 

- Firstly, it could be controlled by overall moon brightness. Secondly, it could be controlled by the waxing/waning cycle. Thirdly, it could be both at once.

 

- If the first case is true, then we should observe that the brighter the combined moons are, the more we see Light Luminas, and vise versa. If -both- moons are bright (Gibbous or Full), then we should breed/find only normal Luminas. If one moon is bright and the other dim (Crescent or New), then we should find a mix of both, possibly favoring normal Luminas if one of the moons is actually full and the other is crescent (in short, still a relatively bright sky). If both moons are dim (Crescent or New), then we should find only Dark Luminas. So far, I have noticed a loose version of this pattern, but I haven't looked over the entire thread to see if there are any eggs that flatly disprove it (for example, a normal Lumina bred when -both- moons were Crescent or New, or a Dark Lumina bred when both moons were Gibbous or Full.) Any such dragon would disprove this version of the hypothesis.

 

- If the waxing/waning cycle is the controlling factor, then we would expect to see normal Luminas more when one or both moons are waxing (meaning getting brighter), and Dark Luminas more when one or both moons is waning (that is, getting dimmer). I haven't paid close attention to this, but it is a possibility. To falsify this, you'd need to produce a Dark Lumina bred when both moons were waxing or a normal Lumina bred when both moons are waning.

 

- Finally, it's possible that both are taken into account, producing a very complex system that would be difficult to piece out. For example, let's say hypothetically that Aurax is Waxing Gibbous and Cirion is Waning Crescent. With one moon both waxing and in a bright phase, and the other both waning and in a dim phase, this averages out to mean 50/50 lights and darks.

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I don't see any reason to throw out CB data, especially since breeding seems to still be weighted towards dark luminas. (My personal preference is to throw out bred data)

 

As far as I'm concerned, this is going to be solved by graphs. I agree that the moons are a very likely candidate, but I think the cycle will probably become very obvious with enough data.

 

There's a problem with your theory #1, though. Your disproof scenario for a combination of both moons will be impossible if the real answer is that the phases of only one of the moons control lumina production, since you want the controlling moon to be in the incorrect phase to produce your proof. Although if this is the case, the graphs will make the difference crystal clear.

Edited by Pokemonfan13

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sighting in the coast: dark lumina coded y4hlk (caps messed)

night, fall, Aurax Waxing crescent, Cirion Waning crescent

 

 

4 more Dark Luminae:

jcjmn (Alpine), nlvxo (Coast), nsqlo and lbnku (Volcano)

day, fall, Aurax Waxing crescent, Cirion Waning crescent

Edited by Ruby Eyes

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I have looked at data about CBs and there are things that can be said:

- when Cirion is New - light Luminas don't appear, there are only dark ones in biomes

- when Cirion is Waxing Gibbous and Aurax is Waning Crescent - dark luminas don't appear, but light ones do

- when Aurax is New (and Cirion is Full) - Luminas (both light and dark) don't appear

Or certain cases weren't added to the sheet.

 

There is one light Lumina seen when Cirion is New (number 513), but I've checked its code and found CB Sunrise dragon instead (added lineage link to the sheet as a proof).

 

 

It's difficult to say something that specific about other phases as the significant part of data still comes from period just after release.

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