Passing By Another User

[Emordnilap]

...It's quite obvious I can't regulate a topic well, and that the idea stinks. If you want to try and revive this, go ahead, you don't even have to credit me. I just can't deal with a topic like this. Please lock it.

 

　What if when you went to the main page or the wilderness, you got a message that linked to another users' scroll who was also on that page?

　The point is to help members who are active continue to grow their dragons in a way that fits with the site. It is not just to show active players - clicking on someone's scroll gives all their dragons a view unless fogged. The trophy level is just a way to fit it more into the site, there are a lot of things in the world that are uneeded, but they exist and make the world a lot more realilistic.

　I'm not trying to dominate fansites, fourm links, or anything else. An extra view/click/whatever can in extreme cases mean the life or death of a dragon. It's not going to be too much in your way for all the help it could be.

 

Additional Information:

 

You would have a box in your settings that says something along the lines of, "Don't pass by other users?", checking it would remove these messages and make it so others couldn't pass by you.

　• The box is automatically checked when you join, you may see, on the main page only, a message that says, "You see

　many people passing by you, and you wonder if you should greet them. Enable it here."

The message will not be a popup, instead it should go on the top of the page, like the way the normal messages are up in the main caves.

Users that are Bronze Trophy or less should have their whole scroll linked, while higher should have a link consisting of only eggs/hatchlings.

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Text:

 

No Users: "You make your way to the cave, but you saw nobody along the way. You feel a little lonely."

Under 10 Users: "You make your way to the cave, passing by a few others on the way. [username] stopped to say hello."

Over 10 Users; Under 25 Users: "You make your way to the cave, passing by many along the way, and [username] even walked there with you!"

Over 25 Users: "You make your way to the cave, but it's kind of crowded. Everyone is too busy ignoring eachother or fighting to get an egg for them to stop and say hello."

If The User You'd Pass Has The Setting Checked: "You make your way to the cave, passing by a few people, but nobody really took the time to greet you."

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Added:

 

If The User Has No Trophy: "They seem to be new to collecting dragons, you feel you should help out."

If The User Has Bronze Trophy: "They aren't a beginner, but they could use a little help collecting dragons."

If The User Has Silver Trophy: "They seem pretty good at collecting, as their collection is large, but they aren't the best yet."

If The User Has Gold Trophy: "You're somewhat suprized at the amount of dragons they have, but you remember that many people have that many or more."

　　• If You Own More: "Including yourself."

If The User Is A Mod or Higher: "You seem to reconize them, though you aren't sure from where. They look like they know what they're doing, however."

If The User Has Their Scroll Hidden: "You ask them if they need any help, and they shake their head as a no."

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Examples:

 

Myself: "You make your way to the cave, passing by a few others along the way. Emordnilap stopped to say hello. They seem to be new to collecting dragons, you feel you should help out."

 

Suggestions:

 

• No distinguishing text between users, list instead

　(Not added because: I feel this would take the idea quite a bit apart, and I feel it would get in the way for people just looking to find eggs. It would be very hard to target users as it is now, you'd have to know exactly where they were and when, when on any forums you could just find their signature and such.)

• Box not automatically checked.

　(Not added because: Contradictory.)

 

Frequent Points:

Read these links before posting critisim!

 

　This Can Be Achieved Through Other Means

　There's No Need For Trophies

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Edited April 3, 2016 by Emordnilap

[Shokomon]

I like the idea. It would add a little interactivity to the game.

 

Edit: Oh! Though, I would like so that people who have their scrolls hidden, would NOT show up. They hide their scrolls for a reason.

Edited April 2, 2016 by Shokomon

[Fuzzbucket]

I would like it if users who did NOT wish to appear didn't have to hide their scrolls to achieve this. I would hate it, and would not want to see such messages. I like the solitariness of the game

Edited April 2, 2016 by fuzzbucket

[olympe]

I dunno.

 

First of all, this message should not, under any circumstances, appear in a pop up. That would so kill the joy of hunting uninterrupted, it's not funny any more.

 

Second, I'd rather have two links - one to the whole scroll (which I might use for members with silver trophy or less) and one for growing things only (to help out with giving views and clicks).

 

Third, I really hate the gold trophy text. What do you think a member with 10,000+ dragons thinks about a collector with 501 dragons? Surely not, "You're suprised by how many dragons they currently have, and wonder if they're the best collector out there."

[danicast]

I think this is totally useless. There isn't a way to communicate between scrolls, only in the forum. In the forum you already can see who is online and those who doesn't want to appear as online can choose to stay anonymous (as I do myself).

No support.

[Jazeki]

What is the point of this? To just show scrolls of people that are active? I don't understand the need to address trophy level if the point is to have an option to visit other people's scrolls.

[Emordnilap]

I think this is totally useless. There isn't a way to communicate between scrolls, only in the forum. In the forum you already can see who is online and those who doesn't want to appear as online can choose to stay anonymous (as I do myself).

No support.

What is the point of this? To just show scrolls of people that are active? I don't understand the need to address trophy level if the point is to have an option to visit other people's scrolls.

 

　This would not be a form of communication between scrolls, it is simply 'hey, this person is active and might want some help'.

　The point is to help members who are active continue to grow their dragons in a way that fits with the site. It is not just to show active players - clicking on someone's scroll gives all their dragons a view unless fogged. The trophy level is just a way to fit it more into the site, there are a lot of things in the world that are uneeded, but they exist and make the world a lot more realilistic.

 

I dunno.

 

First of all, this message should not, under any circumstances, appear in a pop up. That would so kill the joy of hunting uninterrupted, it's not funny any more.

 

Second, I'd rather have two links - one to the whole scroll (which I might use for members with silver trophy or less) and one for growing things only (to help out with giving views and clicks).

 

Third, I really hate the gold trophy text. What do you think a member with 10,000+ dragons thinks about a collector with 501 dragons? Surely not, "You're suprised by how many dragons they currently have, and wonder if they're the best collector out there."

 

　I agree with you on the popup part and I will edit the post to mention it, as well as the double links, which I twist a bit and edit the post for as well. I'll change the Gold Trophy text too. Thank you for your help!

[purplehaze]

It does seem a bit pointless to me. If I want to socialize I come to the forum. It's not like you can really interact with those folks you "meet" (nor would I want to!)

[Emordnilap]

It does seem a bit pointless to me. If I want to socialize I come to the forum. It's not like you can really interact with those folks you "meet" (nor would I want to!)

　Again, it's not a way to socialise. Stop thinking about what the text says and think about the way it is being used. The text itself is mostly pointless, you could just put the scroll name on the top of the page and say, "oh it's done," and that would be the only thing in this post that has a point. What I'm trying to do is give users a better way to give and recieve views that isn't on an external site.

　The text is added so it fits into the world of dragoncave, it makes it realilistic and adds a bit of feel to what's going on. It's a lot more interesting and eye-catching to have a (very) short paragraph rather than just a scroll name floating around.

[Tehya Faye]

I don't think this will give nearly enough views to be very helpful. It's not like a forum signature where everyone who loads the page gives a view to everything you are able to fit in there. Instead you are relying on people to click a link, which most probably won't do.

[Emordnilap]

I don't think this will give nearly enough views to be very helpful. It's not like a forum signature where everyone who loads the page gives a view to everything you are able to fit in there. Instead you are relying on people to click a link, which most probably won't do.

Well, our signatures here are the same thing, except a lot bigger and less people will see them. You have a link in your signature, and there's a higher chance more people will click the links this would bring up (knowing what they were doing) considering many dragoncave users don't normally use the forums.

[Tehya Faye]

My signature link isn't to help with views, it's just so people can see what I have if they are curious. I can't imagine getting much more than 15 times the number of views should this be implemented, which isn't nearly enough to raise dragons in a safe and swift manner. Even that's probably a generous estimate.

 

Edit: For clarification - I'm just picturing the max number of views the typical person here would get is maybe 200. Also, updated numbers because the math didn't quite check out.

Edited April 2, 2016 by Tehya Faye

[Pokemonfan13]

I would -not- like this idea. I wouldn't mind my scroll being viewed by whoever, but I do not want to be pestered with stuff when I'm navigating through the site. And I can imagine this being very obnoxious when trying to hunt, since there's no way this wouldn't increase the load time of the page. It might not be much for people with good internet, but there are all too many people who have horrid internet, and every bit matters to them.

[Jazeki]

 

　This would not be a form of communication between scrolls, it is simply 'hey, this person is active and might want some help'.

　The point is to help members who are active continue to grow their dragons in a way that fits with the site. It is not just to show active players - clicking on someone's scroll gives all their dragons a view unless fogged. The trophy level is just a way to fit it more into the site, there are a lot of things in the world that are uneeded, but they exist and make the world a lot more realilistic.

 

 

 

　I agree with you on the popup part and I will edit the post to mention it, as well as the double links, which I twist a bit and edit the post for as well. I'll change the Gold Trophy text too. Thank you for your help!

You seem to be contradicting yourself here. I know that the intention is to get people to click scrolls. Trophy level is not tied to the amount of help that people need. Some people are new and play enough to have silver or gold trophies. Some people have been playing since DC started and have bronze trophies.

 

 

Anyway, as Tehya pointed out, you're relying on the idea that players will click others' scrolls to help them as opposed to simply visiting an already existing fan site instead or clicking a forum link. The site itself is really geared around individual gameplay without much inter-scroll action.

 

This serves no purpose for players with hidden scrolls or those who want to opt out. Edit: It's also important to consider users who have (Please note that it is against the site rules to give aid to a user without their permission.) turned on on their scrolls.

Edited April 2, 2016 by Jazeki

[Emordnilap]

My signature link isn't to help with views, it's just so people can see what I have if they are curious. I can't imagine getting much more than 100 times the number of views should this be implemented, which isn't nearly enough to raise dragons in a safe and swift manner. Even that's probably a generous estimate.

 

　I never said it could be a standalone way to get views, all I said was that it would be "helpful", helpful is synonymus with useful, which means it has some kind of positive use. Since I seem to have confused you, I will reword the decription.

 

I would -not- like this idea. I wouldn't mind my scroll being viewed by whoever, but I do not want to be pestered with stuff when I'm navigating through the site. And I can imagine this being very obnoxious when trying to hunt, since there's no way this wouldn't increase the load time of the page. It might not be much for people with good internet, but there are all too many people who have horrid internet, and every bit matters to them.

 

　They could just disable seeing them.

 

You seem to be contradicting yourself here. I know that the intention is to get people to click scrolls.

Trophy level is not tied to the amount of help that people need. Some people are new and play enough to have silver or gold trophies. Some people have been playing since DC started and have bronze trophies.

 

Anyway, as Tehya pointed out, you're relying on the idea that players will click others' scrolls to help them as opposed to simply visiting an already existing fan site instead or clicking a forum link. The site itself is really geared around individual gameplay without much inter-scroll action.

 

Edit: It's also important to consider users who have (Please note that it is against the site rules to give aid to a user without their permission.) turned on on their scrolls.

 

　There actually wasn't a contradiction, you weren't looking at the whole sentence and missed the "just" part of the sentence. Yes, it shows active players, but would you want to be clicking inactive players' scrolls?

　I never said trophy level had anything to do with it, in fact, I said there was no point to it besides making the message seem more realilistic.

 

　People will do it, and some may do it exclusively because of the ease of access. If you had to order pizza, and you had the choice of ordering online or going to the actual store, most people would order online, they're doing the same thing but with less effort.

 

　There's a disable option.

Edited April 2, 2016 by Emordnilap

[Jazeki]

　There actually wasn't a contradiction, you weren't looking at the whole sentence and missed the "just" part of the sentence. Yes, it shows active players, but would you want to be clicking inactive players' scrolls?

　I never said trophy level had anything to do with it, in fact, I said there was no point to it besides making the message seem more realilistic.

 

　People will do it, and some may do it exclusively because of the ease of access. If you had to order pizza, and you had the choice of ordering online or going to the actual store, most people would order online, they're doing the same thing but with less effort.

I didn't miss the whole part of the sentence. I was emphasizing the points in bold. It is a contradiction as you note that people can opt out or pass on by without clicking. As for the pizza ordering analogy, it can be a nuisance with extra effort to order online (extra steps for finding the food you want, adding to the cart, adding in credit card info and all that) just like can be nuisance to load the names of users, read additional text, find who you want to "visit", and finally click on the scroll. There're two sides to every pizza/suggestion.

 

As for the trophy level thing, if there's no point to it aside from "realism", which is subjective, why not just take it out?

Edited April 2, 2016 by Jazeki

[Tehya Faye]

It's not that convenient, though. Fansite viewers let me give help to I don't even know how many users while I go about my normal activities. Other adoptable sites I've been on did require a more click-heavy playstyle, but they gave a lot of incentive for clicking that just isn't present here. It won't be very helpful for those needing help, nor is it all that convenient for those wanting to give help.

[brairtrainer]

I actually like this idea because I like seeing what other people have. If it can be disabled, who's going to say no to a few people coming onto their scroll and clicking their eggs (since clicks are stronger and seem to be less likely to cause sickness). Perhaps incorrperate this idea with the idea to place a header on top of a scroll (this was suggested months ago, but included a way of allowing users to let you know what their forum name was.)

[Eos]

Doesn't seem like something we really need. I would definitely disable it, so no support from me. The external websites work just fine.

[Emordnilap]

I didn't miss the whole part of the sentence. I was emphasizing the points in bold. It is a contradiction as you note that people can opt out or pass on by without clicking. As for the pizza ordering analogy, it can be a nuisance with extra effort to order online (extra steps for finding the food you want, adding to the cart, adding in credit card info and all that) just like can be nuisance to load the names of users, read additional text, find who you want to "visit", and finally click on the scroll. There's two sides to every pizza/suggestion.

 

As for the trophy level thing, if there's no point to it aside from "realism", which is subjective, why not just take it out?

　I don't see how those points have anything to do with the opting out or passing on.

　This isn't about finding specific players either, and I honestly don't see where you got that idea. Sure, you could look for specific players, but that's not the point of it.

 

　Also, the ending question you have there makes no sense to me. We don't need the forums, or even the site itself, so why don't we just take that out?

 

It's not that convenient, though. Fansite viewers let me give help to I don't even know how many users while I go about my normal activities. Other adoptable sites I've been on did require a more click-heavy playstyle, but they gave a lot of incentive for clicking that just isn't present here. It won't be very helpful for those needing help, nor is it all that convenient for those wanting to give help.

 

　Then stick to the fansites. I am in no way fighting the fansites with this. I honestly don't feel like arguing about every single little detail, especially when it's quite obvious, at least to me, that those details aren't what I'm trying to do.

　I'm not trying to dominate fansites, fourm links, or anything else. An extra view/click/whatever can in extreme cases mean the life or death of a dragon. It's not going to be too much in your way for all the help it could be.

[Moonwick]

I think this is cute, actually. I like the idea of seeing other egg hunters in the cave with me, if they so choose to display themselves. To make sure I understand: is it sort of like a thing that shows who is online in a certain cave?

That's my understanding of it at least (I have a hard time comprehending stuff) o:

 

If so, a problem I'd have is maybe it'd be hard to load for each cave separately, could cause a bit of lag for some due to loading in all the names/scrolls, especially when events are taking place. Even if disabled, it may still cause some issues.

 

Overall I like it, at least in theory. It would be very cute. ^^

[JurassicAsh]

I like this, I feel this could add a sense of community to this site, and really could reassure new users that they are not alone.

[Fiona]

"If it can be disabled, who's going to say no to a few people coming onto their scroll and clicking their eggs"

 

Who? I would. I do not in any way shape or form like this idea.

 

1. When I'm on the home page, the biome pages or the AP I'm there for a reason. It's not to find someone else's scroll and give them a view, it's to conduct some part of the game for myself. Therefore I'm not going to be clicking those links, am I? That would just interfere with me doing what I went there to do.

 

2. And thank you very much but I don't need random passers-by to help me raise my dragons. As long as we have the fansites we have I can put them in, take them out, fog them or ER them as suits my preference. I would NOT like my eggs gaining random views just because someone else happened to be on a biome the same time I was.

 

You did say people could opt out by hiding their scrolls, or perhaps the option to opt out altogether. Well, I don't want to have to hide my scroll. I don't have it linked in the forum because my scrollname and forumnames are different and I don't want a bunch of people wandering onto my scroll, perhaps deciding they want to be vicious and attacking my good eggs and hatchlings. Snooping in my business. Deciding I must be a selfish, greedy hoarder because of all the rares I have or whatever.

 

We don't need something like this to raise our eggs and hatchlings as long as the fansites are working and it just means people offering "help" to people who don't need help.

Edited April 2, 2016 by Fiona BlueFire

[Emordnilap]

"If it can be disabled, who's going to say no to a few people coming onto their scroll and clicking their eggs"

 

Who? I would. I do not in any way shape or form like this idea.

 

1. When I'm on the home page, the biome pages or the AP I'm there for a reason. It's not to find someone else's scroll and give them a view, it's to conduct some part of the game for myself. Therefore I'm not going to be clicking those links, am I? That would just interfere with me doing what I went there to do.

 

2. And thank you very much but I don't need random passers-by to help me raise my dragons. As long as we have the fansites we have I can put them in, take them out, fog them or ER them as suits my preference. I would NOT like my eggs gaining random views just because someone else happened to be on a biome the same time I was.

 

You did say people could opt out by hiding their scrolls, or perhaps the option to opt out altogether. Well, I don't want to have to hide my scroll. I don't have it linked in the forum because my scrollname and forumnames are different and I don't want a bunch of people wandering onto my scroll, perhaps deciding they want to be vicious and attacking my good eggs and hatchlings. Snooping in my business. Deciding I must be a selfish, greedy hoarder because of all the rares I have or whatever.

 

We don't need something like this to raise our eggs and hatchlings as long as the fansites are working and it just means people offering "help" to people who don't need help.

You would have a box in your settings that says something along the lines of, "Don't pass by other users?", checking it would remove these messages and make it so others couldn't pass by you.

　You would not have to hide your scroll.

Edited April 2, 2016 by Emordnilap

[Jazeki]

　I don't see how those points have anything to do with the opting out or passing on.

　This isn't about finding specific players either, and I honestly don't see where you got that idea. Sure, you could look for specific players, but that's not the point of it.

 

　Also, the ending question you have there makes no sense to me. We don't need the forums, or even the site itself, so why don't we just take that out?

 

 

 

　Then stick to the fansites. I am in no way fighting the fansites with this. I honestly don't feel like arguing about every single little detail, especially when it's quite obvious, at least to me, that those details aren't what I'm trying to do.

　I'm not trying to dominate fansites, fourm links, or anything else. An extra view/click/whatever can in extreme cases mean the life or death of a dragon. It's not going to be too much in your way for all the help it could be.

My initial question was "is this to just show active players?" Your answer was "no, it's not just to show active players, but also have people click and help, etc." and then you edited the suggestion to ensure that people can opt out if they choose or people who have hidden scrolls will not be shown in wherever this will show up on the site. So, yes. It is just for showing active players.

 

My comment about choosing a player to click is in reference to the idea that it takes time and effort to visit each scroll individually.

 

As for the last question, it was in regards to improving the suggestion since again knowing what trophy a user has does nothing to enhance this suggestion. If a user is going to click a scroll, they're going to do it regardless of trophy level. There is no need for sarcasm.

Edited April 2, 2016 by Jazeki