ANSWERED:Night or day indicator for Solstices

[Tigerkralle]

Hi,

 

since we will only known the wing colours for our Solstices when it is already too late meaning when they are adults i have a in my eyes simple solution.

 

Indicates if the egg or hatchling is a dayborn or nightborn Solstices like you can see that for Day or Night Glory Drakes, when you unlocked the information in the encyclopedia. That will happen if you picked up both once a Night Glory Drake and once a Day Glory Drake. Because they are a Holiday breed and we will have only one week to catch them alongside all the other Holiday breeds i would go so far as to show this information for all users right from the beginning.

 

Just a litte word behind the breed:

Holiday Dragon (2013) (Day)

or

Holiday Dragon (2013) (Night)

 

Why at all suggestion this? It is too confusing with the actual mechanic with the day added to thinks at the abandon page and living in an other timezone then DC to be able to tell if it is a bred at night (cave time) or day (cave time) with only the time left until death.

 

If we can see if our beloved Solstices is a dayborn or a nightborn we can sort all things out and be a lot more in Holiday then drama mood. So we just trade for the colour that we like the most or want to have for a certain lineage.

 

Cheers!

Tigerkralle

 

 

Edit to add:

So the indication will not exactly the same mechanic as with the Glory Drakes because this mechanic is based on two separate entries in the encyclopedia and two entries is too much for Solstices but an indicator very similar like that is what we wish for.

 

I am open for a suggestion to reword this thougt.

 

Update:

We need something that is not a description or a second entry in the encyclopedia like the Glory Drakes.

If Odeen is okay with this she could give us an additional stage 2 hatchling with rosy wings and the default stage 2 hatchling for the blue-winged? Whatever she is thinging is the best for our beloved Solstices. If my grammar or choice of words are weird please point it out i am not a native speaker in English.

 

Edit Holiday breeding season 2016:

So there are reports of rosy-winged stage 2 hatchlings. Thank you very much, spriters!

I assume we can close this suggestion? Is there more to say about this topic?

Edited December 22, 2016 by Tigerkralle

[Jazeki]

This seems like a good idea, but i also think that these are set up like the other dragons that are time contingent in that we have to figure them out ourselves. The new default skin also has a built-in clock on dc time that users can use when breeding as well. It also may be smarter to make a new "I bred a day/night solstice" thread for people to use or even to wait for hatchie swaps than to play around with mechanics. I seem to recall Odeen saying she would adjust the wing colors for them.

 

Edited to note I am on the phone so excuse any typos.

[Fuzzbucket]

This seems like a good idea, but i also think that these are set up like the other dragons that are time contingent in that we have to figure them out ourselves. The new default skin also has a built-in clock on dc time that users can use when breeding as well. It also may be smarter to make a new "I bred a day/night solstice" thread for people to use or even to wait for hatchie swaps than to play around with mechanics. I seem to recall Odeen saying she would adjust the wing colors for them.

 

Edited to note I am on the phone so excuse any typos.

That's brilliant, Jazeki. MUCH more reliable.

 

ETA also as the blue-winged solstices aren't even IN the encyclopaedia, it isn't that easy to add information about them. Not that that info is in there for glories either.

Edited November 19, 2015 by fuzzbucket

[stagazer_7]

I was just asking about this in another thread the other day - a definite support for this suggestion.

 

I probably won't be checking out many forum threads while hunting the AP, so simply checking whether I caught a day or night Solstice on the egg's info page would be extremely helpful. I know one can simply reduce the number of hrs the egg has from the DC's inbuilt clock to pretty acurrately figure out whether an egg is a day/night Solstice, but what of eggs that have been bred around 6:00 and 18:00 EST, when the wing colors change? And is there a AP queue for holiday eggs like there is for other abandoned eggs before they hit the AP?

 

What Tigerkralle is suggesting would completely remove the dilemma whether you caught the right egg or not and would avoid all the drama that is almost positive to happen (again ). And the mechanic is already in place and works well for Day/Night Glory Drakes so I can see it working just as flawlessly for Solstices, who adopted the same breeding mechanics.

Edited November 20, 2015 by stagazer_7

[Ruby Eyes]

This seems like a good idea, but i also think that these are set up like the other dragons that are time contingent in that we have to figure them out ourselves.

Well, as soon as you *acquire* your very first Day Glory or Night Glory egg, the site tells you which it is. So, just like those other dragons that are time-dependent with egg-laid time, the site should just tell us when the Solstice egg was bred as soon as we picked up just ONE of these (which many of us have already done last Christmas). That still leaves enough of a riddle for those who don't like spoilers to figure out if Day or Night equals blue or blush.

 

I seem to recall Odeen saying she would adjust the wing colors for them.

That would be sweet

[cyradis4]

Support for some sort of in-cave way to see on the dragon's page which they are or when they were bred. Through the Encyclopedia seems the best way, given that the coding should be nearly-identical to what the Day/Night Glories have.

 

NO support for some sort of thread. Too easy to make a mistake, given the many different time zones. And that doesn't help those who don't come on the forums.

 

Cheers!

C4.

[stagazer_7]

NO support for some sort of thread. Too easy to make a mistake, given the many different time zones. And that doesn't help those who don't come on the forums.

While I don't see anything really wrong with having a thread where we'd be able to arrange swaps (there's already a Christmas lineage aid center and there will surely be a Holiday trading thread), there still should be some sort of in-Cave indicator of what type of egg one picks up from the AP. Why not have both?

[Lurhstaap]

Don't eggs show the time they were bred? Doesn't that in itself tell you whether you have a daywing or a nightwing? EDIT: Nevermind, I just checked one of my eggs. They show the day but not the time. I think that would be the simplest fix for this problem - have all eggs of all species display the time they were laid as well as the date. That would be useful for all time-based species, not just Solstices, and it might be fun for other reasons too. (People could go for eggs laid on 11:11 on November 11th, for example, or, for me, I might want an egg bred on 12:11 on December 11th because that's my birthday.)

Edited November 20, 2015 by Lurhstaap

[cyradis4]

Don't eggs show the time they were bred? Doesn't that in itself tell you whether you have a daywing or a nightwing? EDIT: Nevermind, I just checked one of my eggs. They show the day but not the time. I think that would be the simplest fix for this problem - have all eggs of all species display the time they were laid as well as the date. That would be useful for all time-based species, not just Solstices, and it might be fun for other reasons too. (People could go for eggs laid on 11:11 on November 11th, for example, or, for me, I might want an egg bred on 12:11 on December 11th because that's my birthday.)

Been suggested before, but I haven't seen the thread bumped in quite a while. I'd love to see hours added to bred / hatch / death and such, and minutes added to cooldown timers, but....

 

*shrug*

 

Cheers!

C4.

[olympe]

Just a litte word behind the breed:

Holiday Dragon (2013) (Day)

or

Holiday Dragon (2013) (Night)

This, or a timer that also tells us the exact hour of when the egg was created. (I'd say even minutes would be helpful, especially for ND experiments - but that might be too much to ask.)

 

A trhead where people can announce what they bred will not help much at all. There are too many people without access to the forums for various reasons (age restrictions, parental disapproval, language barrier). Also, if 100 people would post there, it'd become a pain to find the breeder of the egg you found in the AP.

[Tigerkralle]

Don't eggs show the time they were bred? Doesn't that in itself tell you whether you have a daywing or a nightwing? EDIT: Nevermind, I just checked one of my eggs. They show the day but not the time. I think that would be the simplest fix for this problem - have all eggs of all species display the time they were laid as well as the date. That would be useful for all time-based species, not just Solstices, and it might be fun for other reasons too. (People could go for eggs laid on 11:11 on November 11th, for example, or, for me, I might want an egg bred on 12:11 on December 11th because that's my birthday.)

So every egg is showing the in-cave breeding time? That sounds like a suggestion that needs it's own thread and maybe this suggestion already exists.

 

Oh and please keep in mind there is the 12 hours system and the 24 hours system to display time and here in Germany we use 24 hours and i almost get confused about am and pm. I once tried to get the right time for an experiment and thougt it was noon my time but then i discovered rigth in time it was midnight my time. (Thought at first noon was 12 am but it is 12 pm... )

 

 

@cyradis4

I think you have a pretty good understanding about the mechanics of the AP and i saw a post from you somewhere why it is a nightmare to get the breeding time if you caought a Solstice from the AP that is let us say an egg with 5 days and 15 hours left.

I tried to write something down but i am not a native speaker in English and i am building a very long post where i am lost even myself if i want to get the meaning.

[purplehaze]

I think a simple indicator on the egg's encyclopedia link would be best. If we don't have some way to know for sure which we have before it grows up then I foresee a great deal of drama, including torches and pitchforks.

[cyradis4]

Take this Halloween:

The wall formed within hours. The Halloween eggs immediately behind the wall began to loose time, and by morning they were showing at 6d 20 hr (for those who know how to check the backlog) while those dragons which were actually IN the AP were showing 7d.

 

If you were hunting the AP at 8 am, you would think, 7d egg.... Must be a blue, YAY! Then when it hatched Blush, you would wonder.... WHY?

 

Why is because of that backlog. The egg *showed* 7 days at 8 am.... But had been bred 4 hrs earlier, at 4 am... During the blush window. And unless you checked the backlog *right* when you caught it (I've found very few who know how despite it being quite simple), there is no way to know. And re-abandoned eggs are a pure nightmare (ie, person grabbed it form the AP, held it for a few hours, then tossed it again).

 

If you are brutally lucky, one of the original clutch was never allowed to hit the AP, and you can see from that *egg's* time when it was bred. But that won't work, once it hatches. And otherwise.....? You are out of luck.

 

So counting backwards will work with eggs traded from the original breeder, but NOT from anything from the AP.

 

 

Though I suspect it will take a couple of days for a wall to form, once that wall forms.... All bets on the solstice breeding times are off.

 

Cheers!

C4.

 

 

Here's the post I think a couple of you have referenced. It was in Tiny Little Questions, so.... a rather esoteric place!

 

Cheers!

C4.

[Obscure_Trash]

I personally do not feel like I need some kind of indicator, but I understand there are those that do and would therefore support this if it wasn't already planned.

 

On that note, I think it's about time that blue solstices were added to the encyclopedia. =o

[Odeen]

I don't see the point in differentiating between the wing colors via encyclopedia. The dragons are physiologically and behaviorally identical; they're like snow angels in the sense that it's purely a color difference, and snow angels don't have separate encyclopedia entries.

[purplehaze]

But the Snow Angels do show all three variants in the encyclopedia. I don't think anyone was talking about a separate entry for them, just showing both variants in the entry that is there.

 

And are you against having us know what the egg we pick up from the AP will be? Because that is really what this is all about.

Edited November 22, 2015 by purplehaze

[Odeen]

But the Snow Angels do show all three variants in the encyclopedia. I don't think anyone was talking about a separate entry for them, just showing both variants in the entry that is there.

 

And are you against having us know what the egg we pick up from the AP will be? Because that is really what this is all about.

Snow angels show all variants on the encyclopedia, but someone cannot know what wings their snow angel will have by looking at the breed name on the dragon's page (issues of scroll-locked colors vs breeding dynamics aside; someone with no snow angels can't figure out their scroll color by picking up an egg).

 

As for what I am and am not against, I have little to no desire to make an egg that would visually differentiate between the two wing types.

[Fuzzbucket]

But the Snow Angels do show all three variants in the encyclopedia. I don't think anyone was talking about a separate entry for them, just showing both variants in the entry that is there.

Yes - While I am not asking for differentiated eggs, I would like to see both colours in the encyclopaedia. Not because of all this stuff, but so that people new to the game don't get a WHUT moment when a dragon that is not in there at all shows up on their scroll ! There WILL be question threads ! (I also rather wish the glories SAID about the time of day they are bred thing; there is no suggestion they can only be bred at certain times.)

 

Other than that - I'm OK having to guess in the AP Worse things happen in there !

[stagazer_7]

I really like this suggestion as the reason behind it is strictly preventive and it would make lineage work a lot easier - it's almost certain that Solstice eggs behind the AP wall will lose time (thanks for the explanation cyradis4) and despite our best efforts to try and predict the wing color, it will still be a sort of lottery and will result in many a 'ruined' lineage and a lot of grumbling or bigger drama. Catching a perfect dragon combination from the AP is a challenge, why make it harder and add the uncertainty of whether you really have a perfect mate or not, especially if this could be easily prevented by a mechanic that is already in the game?

 

I don't think differently colored eggs or hatching sprites are necessary, just a discreet marking on the egg's info/view page would solve the question of whether one has rosy- or blue-winged Solstice:

 

 

Hmm, I rarely check the Encyclopedia, but I'm really surprised that both versions of the sprite haven't been added yet, they're both pretty and should really be there ... oh, and also for the more important reasons fuzzbucket stated.

 

As for Snow Angels - it would be nice to somehow know if your scroll is predestined for White, Gold or Tricolored Angels (hope this gets addressed sometimes in the future in a separate thread), but after weathering the first year you know which type of dragon you'll have and you're good - if one wants to create perfectly matching wing-color lineages is then up to players to decide, but there's no uncertainty of what type of Angel you'll going to get.

 

I would be really sad to see drama concerning Solstices again, they and Snow Angels are my favorite Christmas dragons and I wish to see people celebrate them by making a ton of beautiful lineages with them. I have both blue- and rosy-winged lines and I would love to continue them with a matching wing color (or alternating ones, I still haven't decided for one of my lines) - this suggestion would help, it really would.

Edited November 22, 2015 by stagazer_7

[Odeen]

The reason glory drakes have the day/night verbiage in their links is because they have separate encyclopedia entries from one another. This is not something that will ever be true of solstice dragons.

 

Eta: I don't remember having any trouble predicting wing color from AP caught solstice eggs last year, once I knew the mechanic was to be put into effect. The only ones I wasn't sure of were the ones that had already hatched prior, and even then I had a greater than fifty percent instance of being right. I suspect people are exaggerating the difficulty of simply counting back to the time laid when dealing with eggs.

Edited November 22, 2015 by Odeen

[stagazer_7]

The reason glory drakes have the day/night verbiage in their links is because they have separate encyclopedia entries from one another. This is not something that will ever be true of solstice dragons.

Oh, I didn't know that was how it worked, thanks for pointing out the difference. I was just hoping it would be possible to create just a mark on the egg's info page, like the Glory Drakes have and have both wing-colored sprites on the same Encyclopedia page, like Snow Angels have. Kind of a mix of both, but then it's really not a mechanic that is already in the game and would require some tweaking.

 

Eta: I don't remember having any trouble predicting wing color from AP caught solstice eggs last year, once I knew the mechanic was to be put into effect. The only ones I wasn't sure of were the ones that had already hatched prior, and even then I had a greater than fifty percent instance of being right. I suspect people are exaggerating the difficulty of simply counting back to the time laid when dealing with eggs.

It's funny, but by the time I noticed my Solstices had different wing colors, the breeding period was over and I had some adults and a bunch of growing dragons. Anyhow, since I didn't know about different wing colors I didn't really pay any attention to the time I picked up the eggs, I just focused on whether I liked the pairing or not.

 

I mean, I would survive if a day/night marker wouldn't be implemented (like fuzz said, there are worse things out there ), but in that case I hope the AP wall time lag won't be too long and make predicting the exact breeding time unreliable. I still like and support OP's suggestion of adding this marker, but I guess we could wait and see how predicting breeding time goes this year...

Edited November 22, 2015 by stagazer_7

[Tigerkralle]

If this marker is not there i will always ask in the forum because i will be too confused with getting the breeding time right because nearly all of my family members are born in December and around Christmas...

And it is just to prevent more drama about this magically Christmas er Holiday Dragons. I am so greatful that i can have rosy-winged ones, because i was not there for the CBs.

 

I really wish for this easy solution because i have my one blue-winged for sprite collection and now only want to collect rosy-winged and i will realease all the blue-winged ones because i don't need them. Before they are going into the wilderness i want to see them on a scroll where they are loved.

And the wing-colour has different effects on me: The rosy-winged are magical and making me smile the blue-winged are just a pretty sprite. I cannot explain it, it is just magically for my feelings.

 

I really didn't remember that the Glories have two different entries in the encyclopedia.

Are there other possibilities for getting a marking?

[purplehaze]

The reason glory drakes have the day/night verbiage in their links is because they have separate encyclopedia entries from one another. This is not something that will ever be true of solstice dragons.

 

Eta: I don't remember having any trouble predicting wing color from AP caught solstice eggs last year, once I knew the mechanic was to be put into effect. The only ones I wasn't sure of were the ones that had already hatched prior, and even then I had a greater than fifty percent instance of being right. I suspect people are exaggerating the difficulty of simply counting back to the time laid when dealing with eggs.

I didn't realize that they could only have a separate marker if they had separate entries, although that does seem to make sense. I just wish we could know which we had without doing all the calculations and then still perhaps being wrong.

 

If there is no way to know what they will be until they are adults then I don't think I will be picking up any (or many) of them in the AP. For lineage purposes matching the wing colors really matters to me. I already have some that are not what I would have hoped, but I will try to work with those, I just don't want to add more mismatches. At least with the Snow Angels, once you know your scroll's version you always know what you will get and can collect lineages accordingly.

 

They are such a gorgeous dragon (both wing colors!) that I really want to use them a lot, but I will be trying to arrange with trusted breeders to get what I need instead of leaving it to chance, I guess.

[stagazer_7]

I didn't realize that they could only have a separate marker if they had separate entries, although that does seem to make sense.

I still kind of hope hope that it would be possible to code this so the day/night links leads to the same Encyclopedia page - or maybe they needn't even bother with anything new and complicated, they could use the existing model, like with Glories and Sunrise/Sunsets and lead night/day links to different pages, but the difference would be in code only, everything else about the two pages would be exactly the same and players wouldn't even realize the difference as the content would be identical, making it basically the same Encyclopedia entry. (but this is strictly theoretical as I know very little about coding)

Edited November 23, 2015 by stagazer_7

[Odeen]

or maybe they needn't even bother with anything new and complicated, they could use the existing model, like with Glories and Sunrise/Sunsets and lead night/day links to different pages, but the difference would be in code only, everything else about the two pages would be exactly the same and players wouldn't even realize the difference as the content would be identical, making it basically the same Encyclopedia entry. (but this is strictly theoretical as I know very little about coding)

This is not something that will ever be true of solstice dragons.