DC Moon Watch (Tracking Sonata Breeding and Eclipse Effects!)

[Shokomon]

Welcome to DC Moon Watch and Lunar Cycle Dragon Breeding Theories!!

For all your DC Moon Watching and Theorizing Needs!!

Also known as the Valkemare Astrological Society (or Astronomical Society.)

 

Please note, we also look at breeding cycles for multiple dragons, first and foremost, the Lunar Heralds and now Sonatas!

 

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NEWS!

 

WE'VE GOT LUNAR ECLIPSES! And new Lunar Cycle Based Dragons!

 

With the most recent release, TJ has clued us in on a new mechanic! While how this will affect the new dragons has yet to be seen, I would like to use the thread to figure out how often we get these eclipse and for which moon. Remember! We have 2! 

 

Please use the form below to help us keep track! 

 

Also use this this form to document when you bred/caught a Sonata so we can figure out the breeding cycle! Just delete the extra phrases you don't need.

 

[b]Time[/b]: 00:00 AM/PM Dragon Cave Time (DC)
[b]Date[/b]: 00 Month 2015
[b]Season[/b]: Spring Summer Fall Winter
[b]Moon Phases[/b]: 
I. [b]Aurax ([color=#D4AF37]Gold Moon[/color]): [color=red]Waxing Crescent [/color] [color=orange]Waxing Gibbous[/color] [color=green]Full Moon[/color] [color=indigo]Waning Gibbous[/color] [color=purple]Waning Crescent[/color] [color=violet]New Moon[/color] First Quarter Last Quarter[/b]
II. [b]Cirion ([color=blue]Blue Moon[/color]): [color=red]Waxing Crescent [/color] [color=orange]Waxing Gibbous[/color] [color=green]Full Moon[/color] [color=indigo]Waning Gibbous[/color] [color=purple]Waning Crescent[/color] [color=violet]New Moon[/color] First Quarter Last Quarter[/b]
[b]Lunar Eclipse[/b]:
A. The site clock currently says [b]"----statement here----"[/b]
[b]Breeds[/b]
I. [b]Lunar Heralds[/b]:
  A. [b]I caught a [color=gold]Gold[/color] [color=silver]Silver[/color] [color=brown]Bronze[/color]  [color=#4400ff]Indigo[/color] Lunar Herald egg.[/b] [URL=http://insertlineagelinkhere]Lineage Link[/URL]
  B. [b]I bred a [color=gold]Gold[/color] [color=silver]Silver[/color] [color=brown]Bronze[/color] [color=#4400ff]Indigo[/color] Lunar Herald egg.[/b] [URL=http://insertlineagelinkhere]Lineage Link[/URL]
II. [b]Sonata[/b]:
  A. [b]I caught a [color=gold]Gold[/color] [color=silver]Silver[/color] [color=#4400ff]Indigo[/color] Sonata egg.[/b] [URL=http://insertlineagelinkhere]Lineage Link[/URL]
  B. [b]I bred a [color=gold]Gold[/color] [color=silver]Silver[/color] [color=#4400ff]Indigo[/color] Sonata egg.[/b] [URL=http://insertlineagelinkhere]Lineage Link[/URL]

 

We now have a spreadsheet! Thank you, @ArgentiAertheri!!! Please post them in the sheet and note on thread if you did so we don't get duplicates!

Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10OBH2FGBpCzKw6OWbEClQguImKn2TVpgU8lSKBm8JN8/edit

 

Please and thank you!

 

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Phase Change Quick View

• Aurax's Current Lunar Phase:

  

   

• Cirion's Current Lunar Phase:

  

   

• Current Lunar Herald Available:

  

   

• Pinkgothic's Daily Dragon Fix page that shows what's dropping and when the others will drop: Link
• Millie_Azure's Lunar Herald long term calendar: Link
• DC Moon Watch Document: Link

Thank you, Pinkgothic, for the Lunar Herald Cyclers and the DC Lunar Phase Cyclers.

(Note: See "The Valkemare Lunar Cycle in Table Form" or "Quick References for Terms and Extra Information" for the definitions of the Moon images and Lunar Herald Images.)

 

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Hello everyone!

 

With the release of the Lunar Heralds, an update that has been long ignored has become extremely relevant... the DC Time Reference page, specifically the phases of the two moons of Valkemare, Aurax (the larger Gold Moon) and Cirion (the smaller Blue Moon.)

 

Lunar Heralds are intricately tied to the moon, and in gameplay, that means the colors of the Lunar Heralds are tied to the phases of the two moons. Only... We don't know what the phases of the moons are OR how long they last, as no one was tracking the moons phases beforehand. (Like I said, it was ignored for the most part.)

 

However, with the release, we have been tracking the moon phases, efforts leading to the Dragon Cave Moon Watch and Lunar Egg Tracking Document, and a variety of theories on how moon phases work and what that means for the Lunar Herald Eggs!

 

Hopefully, with the use of this thread and the document. We will be able to chart the phases and figure out the breeding patterns for the Lunar Heralds! Now for the important part.

 

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The Official Valkemare Lunar Cycles and Lunar Herald Breeding Patterns

 

Thank you for everyone's contribution to this! The following contains official information for Aurax's and Cirion's Lunar cycles and the Lunar Heralds breeding patterns:

 

The Official Valkemare Lunar Cycle

Valkemare has two moons, Aurax, the larger golden moon, and Cirion, the smaller blue moon. These two moons are not in sync and do not share the same cycle, nor does either of their cycles match Earth's Lunar Cycle.

• Both Aurax and Cirion skip the First Quarter and Last Quarter Phases. Thus, the cycle for both Aurax and Cirion progresses as follows: New Moon --> Waxing Crescent --> Waxing Gibbous --> Full Moon --> Waning Gibbous --> Waning Crescent --> New Moon --> Repeat.
• Aurax's Lunar cycle is 32 days long, where New and Full Moon phases last 1 day, Waxing Crescent and Waning Gibbous phases last 7 days, and Waxing Gibbous and Waning Crescent phases last 8 days.
• Cirion's Lunar cycle is 16 days long, where New and Full Moon phases last 1 day, Waxing Crescent and Waning Gibbous phases last 3 days, and Waxing Gibbous and Waning Crescent phases last 4 days.
• Cirion orbit around Valkemare is two times faster than Aurax's orbit, so for every 1 Aurax cycle, there are 2 Cirion lunar cycles, a 2:1 Cirion:Aurax lunar cycle ratio.
• The current phase each moon can be found on the DC Time Reference page.
• Phase changes occur at 8:00 PM (20:00) EST/DragonCave (DC) time during Daylight Savings or at 7:00 PM (19:00) EST/DC time when Daylight Savings has ended.

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The Valkemare Lunar Cycle in Table Form

Here is a picture table showing the phases of each moon in a regular cycle. Gold-labeled things are Aurax-related. Blue-labeled things are Cirion-related. Gray-labeled things apply to both.

• - Also, shows the 2:1 ratio for Cirion's and Aurax's cycles:

 

-And here is a reference chart for what each image stands for:

(Where New = New Moon, WXC = Waxing Crescent, WXG = Waxing Gibbous, FULL = Full Moon, WNG = Waning Gibbous, WNC = Waning Crescent)

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The Lunar Herald Egg Breeding Pattern Explanation

As stated by TJ when the Lunar Herald dragons were first released, Lunar Herald colors follow the phases of the moon, as in you get different colored Lunar Heralds based on the phases of Aurax and Cirion. After gathering all the data, the theory that best describes how the moon phases is the illumination-based theory, where the color of the Lunar Herald are decided by how much of each moon is illuminated (how close to full or new it is), and by which moon is dominant in the sky, as explained below:

• When a moon is more than half full or >50% illuminated, it is either in a Gibbous phase or Full Moon phase.
• When a moon is less than half full or <50% illuminated, it is either in a Crescent phase or New Moon phase.
• When one moon is more than half full while the other is less than half full, the Lunar Herald egg corresponding to the moon more than half full (or dominant in the sky) appears.
• Gold/Aurax Herald eggs appear when Aurax (the golden moon) is dominant in the sky.
• Blue/Indigo/Cirion Herald eggs appear when Cirion (the blue moon) is dominant in the sky.
• Silver Lunar Heralds appear if both moons are more than half full.
• Bronze/Brown Lunar Herald appear if both moons are less than half.
  • Ex: When Aurax is Gibbous (100>x>50% illuminated) and Cirion is Cresent (0<x<50% illuminated), Lunar Herald eggs are Gold.
  • Ex2: When Aurax is New (0% illuminated) and Crion is Full (100% illuminated), Lunar Herald eggs are Indigo.
  • Ex3: When both Aurax and Cirion are in Gibbous phase (100>x>50% illuminated), Lunar eggs are Silver.
  • Ex4: When both Aurax and Cirion are in Crescent phase (0%<x<50% illuminated), Lunar eggs are Bronze.
• There is a set pattern to what color of Lunar Herald Egg will appear when.
  •  Silver and Indigo Lunar Herald Eggs are available for 8 days a piece once in one Valkemare Lunar Cycle.
  • Gold and Bronze are available for 4 days a piece twice in one Valkemare Lunar Cycle.
  • Availability Pattern:

     Silver -8 days later-> Gold -4 days later-> Bronze -4 days later-> Indigo -8 days later-> Bronze -4 days later->   Gold - 4 days later-> Repeat.

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The Lunar Herald Egg Breeding Pattern in Table Form

Here is a visual table displaying the breeding pattern for the Lunar Heralds. Eggs are shown relative to the compatible overlapping phases between Aurax and Cirion.

• I)A Table That Shows the Pattern Starting with Aurax WaXing Gibbous and Cirion New Moon

-- Best for viewing the pattern flow without breaking up any periods of egg drops

 

II) A Table That Shows the Pattern Starting with both Aurax and Cirion in Full Moon phase

-- Best for showing the pattern within a standard lunar cycle

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The Lunar Herald Egg Breeding Pattern in Text Form

Here is a list of sites, calendars, and online documents that list the Lunar Hearld breeding pattern in a more text-based form, often with exact dates and timing for the eggs.

• Websites/Online Documents for Lunar Herald Breeding Predictions

  1) Pinkgothic's Daily Dragon Fix Page that shows which Lunar Herald egg is currently dropping, when the others will begin dropping, Aurax and Cirion's current phases, and a calendar depicting the daily Lunar Herald egg color available during the current 32-day Lunar cycle.

  2) The DC Moon Watch Document is a collaborative document showing all the data for DC Lunar Cycle and Lunar Herald breeding pattern, authored and edited by Shokomon, BananaGummyBear64, and Pinkgothic.

• Calenders for Lunar Herald Predictions

  1) Long-term Calender made by Millie_Azure that shows predicted Lunar Herald eggs until the end of 2020.

  2) Short-term Calendar made by Rubyeyes that shows predicted Lunar Herald eggs until the end of Nov 2015.

  3) Another Short-term Calendar made by Millie_Azure that shows predicted Lunar Herald eggs until the end of 2015.

  Millie_Azure said:

  Also, here's a handy calendar through the end of the year.

  Blues and silvers will always drop for eight days at a time.

  Golds and bronzes will always drop for four days at a time.

   

  21 Sep - Waxing Gibbous - Waxing Gibbous - Silver

  29 Sep - Waning Gibbous - Waning Crescent - Gold

  3 Oct - Waning Crescent - New ---------------- Bronze

  7 Oct - Waning Crescent - Waxing Gibbous - Blue

  15 Oct - Waxing Crescent - Waning Crescent - Bronze

  19 Oct - Waxing Gibbous - New ---------------- Gold

  23 Oct - Waxing Gibbous - Waxing Gibbous - Silver

  31 Oct - Waning Gibbous - Waning Crescent - Gold

  4 Nov - Waning Crescent - New ---------------- Bronze

  8 Nov - Waning Crescent - Waxing Gibbous - Blue

  16 Nov - Waxing Crescent - Waning Crescent - Bronze

  20 Nov - Waxing Gibbous - New ---------------- Gold

  24 Nov - Waxing Gibbous - Waxing Gibbous - Silver

  2 Dec - Waning Gibbous - Waning Crescent - Gold

  6 Dec - Waning Crescent - New ---------------- Bronze

  10 Dec - Waning Crescent - Waxing Gibbous - Blue

  18 Dec - Waxing Crescent - Waning Crescent - Bronze

  22 Dec - Waxing Gibbous - New ---------------- Gold

  26 Dec - Waxing Gibbous - Waxing Gibbous - Silver

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The Lunar Herald Egg Breeding Pattern in Chart Form

These charts show what egg will be produced when ever two phases of Aurax and Cirion overlap. Phases that impossible are gray or dark gray in color.

• Start in the uppermost left box. Follow Cirion's phases downward, staying in a single Aurax phase until no possible overlaps are available. Then, move right to the next available overlap in the following Aurax phase. This reveals the 2:1 pattern of how Lunar Herald Egg colors change in the presence of the moons.

  I) Pattern 1 which starts on Aurax WaXing Gibbous phase and Cirion New Moon phase

  

   

  II) Pattern 2, which starts on Aurax and Cirion in their Full Moon phases

  

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The Lunar Herald Breeding Pattern-DC Lunar Cycle Composite Diagram

Here is a circle graph created by Daydreamer09 that shows both the DC lunar cycle, and the Lunar Herald Breeding Pattern as one diagram, complete with day of the cycle, phases present, and Lunar Herald egg color currently available:

Daydreame09 via PM said:

Hello. I made this circular Lunar Herald chart based off the ones you made in the Lunar Watch thread. It was created for my own personal reference, however because it is based off your compilation, I thought I'd forward it to you as well. You can download and keep it for yourself or share it with others.

 

[IMG=https://i.imgur.com/MLUMxOX_d.jpg]

 

-Day

 

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What can you do?

1) We need people to keep an eye on the phases! That way as soon as the phases change, we can document the time down for accurate calculations of the phases length.

- Leaving a Comment on the Moon Phases Sheet in the Doc stated above helps as well.

 

2) We need people to post what eggs they were Catching OR Breeding during different phases of the moons, so we can accurately figure out what Lunar Herald colors come when.

- Leaving a Comment on the Lunar Asynchronization page in the Doc stated above also helps.

- Please use the form below to post information:

Time: 00:00 AM/PM Dragon Cave Time (DC)

Date: 00 Month 2015

Moon Phases:

I. Aurax (Gold Moon) : Waxing Crescent Waxing Gibbous Full Moon Waning Gibbous Waning Crescent New Moon First Quarter Last Quarter

II. Cirion (Blue Moon) : Waxing Crescent Waxing Gibbous Full Moon Waning Gibbous Waning Crescent New Moon First Quarter Last Quarter

Lunar Heralds:

A. I caught a Gold Silver Bronze Indigo Lunar Herald egg. Lineage Link

B. I bred a Gold Silver Bronze Indigo Lunar Herald egg. Lineage Link

(Just delete the phrases/colors you don't need.)

 

3) We need help tracking which Sonata eggs! This will help us figure out teh breeding cycle. Eventually, we will need a new excel sheet to the gather data on the Sonata breeding cyle

- Please use the form below to post information:

Time: 00:00 AM/PM Dragon Cave Time (DC)

Date: 00 Month 2015

Moon Phases:

I. Aurax (Gold Moon) : Waxing Crescent Waxing Gibbous Full Moon Waning Gibbous Waning Crescent New Moon 

II. Cirion (Blue Moon) : Waxing Crescent Waxing Gibbous Full Moon Waning Gibbous Waning Crescent New Moon 

Sonats:

A. I caught a Gold Silver  Indigo Sonata egg. Lineage Link

B. I bred a Gold Silver Indigo Sonata egg. Lineage Link

(Just delete the phrases/colors you don't need.)

 

[b]Time[/b]: 00:00 AM/PM Dragon Cave Time (DC)
[b]Date[/b]: 00 Month 2015
[b]Moon Phases[/b]: 
I. [b]Aurax ([color=#D4AF37]Gold Moon[/color]): [color=red]Waxing Crescent [/color] [color=orange]Waxing Gibbous[/color] [color=green]Full Moon[/color] [color=indigo]Waning Gibbous[/color] [color=purple]Waning Crescent[/color] [color=violet]New Moon[/color][/b]
II. [b]Cirion ([color=blue]Blue Moon[/color]): [color=red]Waxing Crescent [/color] [color=orange]Waxing Gibbous[/color] [color=green]Full Moon[/color] [color=indigo]Waning Gibbous[/color] [color=purple]Waning Crescent[/color] [color=violet]New Moon[/color][/b]
[b]Breeds[/b]
I. [b]Lunar Heralds[/b]:
  A. [b]I caught a [color=gold]Gold[/color] [color=silver]Silver[/color] [color=brown]Bronze[/color]  [color=#4400ff]Indigo[/color] Lunar Herald egg.[/b] [URL=http://insertlineagelinkhere]Lineage Link[/URL]
  B. [b]I bred a [color=gold]Gold[/color] [color=silver]Silver[/color] [color=brown]Bronze[/color] [color=#4400ff]Indigo[/color] Lunar Herald egg.[/b] [URL=http://insertlineagelinkhere]Lineage Link[/URL]
II. [b]Sonata[/b]:
  A. [b]I caught a [color=gold]Gold[/color] [color=silver]Silver[/color] [color=#4400ff]Indigo[/color] Sonata egg.[/b] [URL=http://insertlineagelinkhere]Lineage Link[/URL]
  B. [b]I bred a [color=gold]Gold[/color] [color=silver]Silver[/color] [color=#4400ff]Indigo[/color] Sonata egg.[/b] [URL=http://insertlineagelinkhere]Lineage Link[/URL][color=#4400ff]Indigo[/color] Sonata egg.[/b] [URL=http://insertlineagelinkhere]Lineage Link[/URL]

 

 

Due to Daylight Savings occurring in the cave, we need to confirm if Phase Change occurs early at 7 PM EST/DC, instead of 8PM EST/DC during Daylight Savings time.

- We also should confirm that the Lunar Herald Eggs are changing normally because of this.

- Any help is greatly appreciated! Everything is confirmed! Thank you!

 

3) We need people to make up theories or post previous ones on how this all works because theories are fun.

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That's it! So, Be nice, have fun, and let's get to work! Converse! Theorize! Discuss! Post!

 

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Edit (10/01/17): Updating the news section, and Looky! Tomato_Juice made us a new banner for the thread!! And Another smaller one too!

 

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[url=http://ow.ly/S6UfJ][img=https://i.imgur.com/Fj1Qliu.jpg][/url] (Big)
[url=http://ow.ly/S6UfJ][img=https://i.imgur.com/G6P2ede.jpg][/url] (Small)

 

 

And Millie_Azure made a bunch of simple and sweet ones! Featuring the Valkemare Astrological Society too!  (Edit: All the images are broken...   The links still work though.)

Millie_Azure said:

DragCave Moon Watch feature Cirion and Aurax - Large 

[url=http://ow.ly/S6UfJ][img=https://i.imgur.com/rPNtYgQ.jpg][/url]

 

DragCave Moon Watch feature Cirion and Aurax - Small

[url=http://ow.ly/S6UfJ][img=https://i.imgur.com/cryNTmx.jpg][/url]

 

Valkemare Astrological Society feature Cirion and Aurax - Large

[url=http://ow.ly/S6UfJ][img=https://i.imgur.com/9zH8UMv.jpg][/url]

 

Valkemare Astrological Society feature Cirion and Aurax - Large

[http://ow.ly/S6UfJ][/url]

[http://ow.ly/S6UfJ][img=https://i.imgur.com/HGAEzru.jpg][/url]

 

 

- In addition, Millie_Azure made a button for the Lunar Herald Calender. Everyone is free to us it! (Edit: This image is broke too...)

Millie_Azure said:

I made a quick, simple little button so people can link to the calendar more easily. If anyone with better photoshop skills than I have wants to make a nicer one, feel free!

 

 

[url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15v2Ars0ZSx-H8B8R399Cu06A4cj19Me5GhN-2uj2TRU/edit?usp=sharing][img=https://i.imgur.com/xX43PFb.gif][/url]

 

 

And Pinkgothic has made a lovely banner that changes to reflect whatever lunar egg is dropping currently!! There are also images for what will display depending on which egg is dropping.

pinkgothic said:

Here you go:

 

 

[IMG=https://leviathan.thorngale.net/lunar/image.png]

 

 

It serves these images depending on time:

 

 

And I'd be more than happy to swap those out for something nicer. I consider those placeholders until something better comes along.

(Added by Shokomon)

- Here is the code for the cycler including a link to MillieAzure's Lunar Herald Calendar:

[url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15v2Ars0ZSx-H8B8R399Cu06A4cj19Me5GhN-2uj2TRU/edit?usp=sharing][IMG=http://leviathan.thorngale.net/lunar/image.png][/url]

 

- And here is the code, including a link to the thread itself or Pinkgothic's website:

DC Moon Watch Thread: [url=http://ow.ly/S6UfJ][IMG=http://leviathan.thorngale.net/lunar/image.png][/url]
PinkGothic's Egg Drop Website: [url=http://leviathan.thorngale.net/lunar-herald-colour.php][IMG=http://leviathan.thorngale.net/lunar/image.png][/url]

 

 

And then, I finally made my own banners... I'll shrink the links eventually. Also, Lunar Herald Egg Buttons! And now with tiny urls and link back to the thread!

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I finally finished making the buttons and banners I been wanting to make for this thread! thoughwemightnotneedthemanymore Because they are on photobucket, they are unfortunately huge links. I may upload them to tiny link later, but I'm too lazy right now. Phobucket sucks, and Tinypic is dead, so new image hosting site it is! Thank you Postimage.org!

 

Here are the buttons!! One for each Lunar Herald Egg, and the Question mark egg for those who can't decide between them:

Indigo Egg Code: [url=http://ow.ly/S6UfJ][IMG=https://i.postimg.cc/LXC2RHJz/The-DC-Moon-Watch-Button-I.png][/url]
Gold Egg Code: [url=http://ow.ly/S6UfJ][IMG=https://i.postimg.cc/PJ0Hp2zJ/The-DC-Moon-Watch-Button-G.png][/url]
Silver Egg Code: [url=http://ow.ly/S6UfJ][IMG=https://i.postimg.cc/qBF45vVr/The-DC-Moon-Watch-Button-S.png][/url]
Bronze Egg Code: [url=http://ow.ly/S6UfJ][IMG=https://i.postimg.cc/3Nk7xPGz/The-DC-Moon-Watch-Button-B.png][/url]
Question Egg Code: [url=http://ow.ly/S6UfJ][IMG=https://i.postimg.cc/635tD7pW/The-DC-Moon-Watch-Button.png][/url]

 

Here are the banners, also featuring the Valkemare Astronomical Society, because that can still be argued:

• DC Moon Watch and Lunar Herald Theories Banner:
   
• Valkemare Astrological Society Banner:
• DC Moon Watch Banner:
• Valkemare Astronomical Society Banner:

DC Moon Watch and Lunar Herald Theories Banner: [url=http://ow.ly/S6UfJ][IMG=https://i.postimg.cc/xTWjcTt5/The-DC-Moon-Watch-Banner1.png][/url]
Valkemare Astrological Society Banner: [url=http://ow.ly/S6UfJ][IMG=https://i.postimg.cc/LsSH3QdZ/The-DC-Moon-Watch-Banner2.png][/url]
DC Moon Watch Banner: [url=http://ow.ly/S6UfJ][IMG=https://i.postimg.cc/1zKyC0P7/The-DC-Moon-Watch-Banner3.png][/url]
Valkemare Astronomical Society Banner: [url=http://ow.ly/S6UfJ][IMG=https://i.postimg.cc/x1MfHDZ2/The-DC-Moon-Watch-Banner4.png][/url]

 

 

Lastly, Pinkgothic was kind enough to use the cycler she made to make my buttons into a cycling button that changes to match whichever egg is dropping currently:

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[img=https://leviathan.thorngale.net/lunar/shoko.png]

 

You will see the one of following images depending on what egg is dropping-

Indigo Egg:

Gold Egg:

Silver Egg:

Bronze Egg:

 

- Here is the code for the cycler including a link to MillieAzure's Lunar Herald Calendar:

[url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15v2Ars0ZSx-H8B8R399Cu06A4cj19Me5GhN-2uj2TRU/edit?usp=sharing][IMG=http://leviathan.thorngale.net/lunar/shoko.png][/url]

 

- And here is the code, including a link to the thread itself or Pinkgothic's website:

DC Moon Watch Thread: [url=http://ow.ly/S6UfJ][IMG=http://leviathan.thorngale.net/lunar/shoko.png][/url]
PinkGothic's Egg Drop Website: [url=http://leviathan.thorngale.net/lunar-herald-colour.php][IMG=http://leviathan.thorngale.net/lunar/shoko.png][/url]

 

Promote the thread where ever you go!

Edited May 21 by Shokomon
Updates to Generalize Thread and Sonata Breeding COllection

[Shokomon]

Here is What We Know

(Swiped from the summary in the August Release Thread)

Note: Blue eggs are now Indigo eggs.

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IMPORTANT: Before 09/03/15, 1:56 PM, the time page was showing Aurax's phase for BOTH moons. Therefore, all information gathered before that time was incorrect. TJ has provided a corrected lunar cycle up to 12:00 AM EST 09/13/15 in his post.

- Basically, Only Aurax was showing the right phases. Cirion was showing Aurax's phases up until 09/03/15 when TJ fixed it.

- This does NOT affect the information gathered on the eggs, just the moon phases the eggs were caught/bred under.

 

- The cycle has progressed, and so far we know:

(Note: Cycle Post taken and modified from TJ's post)

 

----- Cirion's phases change faster than Aurax's.

------- There is a 1:2 ratio between the moons' cycles, where for every 1 Aurax lunar cycle, there are 2 Cirion Lunar cycles.

----- Aurax takes 8 days to move from WaNing Crescent to New Moon, 7 days to move from WaXing Crescent to WaXing Gibbous, 8 days to move from WaXing Gibbous to Full moon, and approximately 7 days to move from WaNing Gibbous to WaNing Crescent.

----- Cirion takes 4 days to move from WaXing Gibbous to Full Moon, 3 days to move from WaNing Gibbous to WaNing Crescent, 4 days to move from WaNing Crescent to New Moon, and 3 days to move from WaXing Crescent to WaXing Gibbous.

----- Aurax's New Moon and Full Moon phases are 24 hours long.

----- Cirion's Full Moon and New Moon phases are 24 hours long.

----- Cirion and Aurax both skip the First Quarter and Last Quarter Phases.

----- !!! Cirion's cycle is completely confirmed!

----- !!! Aurax's cycle is completely confirmed!

----- Note: As of 7:46 PM EST/DC on Nov 4, 2015, Lunar phases changed occurred "early," even though it was not 8:00 PM EST/DC in the Cave. It was later been proven that Moon Phases do not adjust for daylight savings, and during that time, drop at 7 PM EST/DC in the Cave.

 

Note: We have finished the first cycle of Lunar Eggs and confirmed Moon Phases, and have completed the Second Cycle of Lunar Eggs and confirmed Moon Phases. Below are the phase changes and Lunar Herald egg colors from the first release of Lunar Heralds and the first analysis of the Lunar Cycle for Valkemare's moons.

 

TJ09 said:

Aug 29, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DragonCave (DC) to Sep 01, 2015 @ 7:59 PM EST/DC.

Aurax: Waning Gibbous

Cirion: Waning Crescent

CB Lunar eggs are Gold.

 

Sep 01, 2015 starting 8:00 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning Crescent*

Cirion: New*

CB Lunar eggs change from Gold to Bronze.

- The Gold egg drop lasted about 3 days and 17 hours.

* = TJ's post doesn't mention a phase change at the same time the new color drops, but we know the color change happened here. So, we assume the phase changed happened here too.

 

Sep 02, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning Crescent

Cirion: New

CB Lunar eggs are Bronze.

 

Sep 03, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DC to Sep 05, 2015 @ 7:59 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning Crescent**

Cirion: Waxing Crescent**

CB Lunar eggs are Bronze, and Bred Lunar eggs are Bronze.

** Exact time of change Unknown.

 

Sep 05, 2015 starting @ 8:00 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning crescent

Cirion: Waxing Gibbous

CB Lunar eggs have changed from Bronze to Blue/Indigo, and Bred Lunar eggs have changed from Bronze to Blue/Indigo.

- The Bronze egg drop lasted about 4 days.

 

Sep 05, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DC to Sep 09, 2015 @ 7:59 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning crescent

Cirion: Waxing Gibbous

CB Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo, and Bred Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo.

 

Sep 09, 2015 starting 8:00 PM EST/DC to Sep 10, 2015 @ 7:59 PM EST/DC

Aurax: New

Cirion: Full

CB Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo, and Bred Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo.

 

Sep 10, 2015 starting 8:00 PM EST/DC to Sept 13, 2015 @ 7:59 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waxing Crescent

Cirion: Waning Gibbous

CB Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo, and Bred Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo.

 

Sep 13, 2015 starting @ 8:00 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waxing Crescent

Cirion: Waning Crescent

CB Lunar eggs have changed from Blue/Indigo to Bronze, and Bred Lunar eggs have changed from Blue/Indigo to Bronze.

- The Blue/Indigo egg drop lasted about 8 days.

 

Sep 14, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DC to Sep 17, 2015 @ 7:59 EST/DC

Aurax: Waxing Crescent

Cirion: Waning Crescent

CB Lunar eggs are Bronze, and Bred Lunar eggs are Bronze.

 

Sep 17, 2015 starting @ 8:00 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waxing Gibbous

Cirion: New

CB Lunar eggs have changed from Bronze to Gold, and Bred Lunar eggs have changed from Bronze to Gold.

- The Bronze egg drop lasted about 4 days.

 

Sep 18, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DC to 7:59 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waxing Gibbous

Cirion: New

CB Lunar eggs are Gold, and Bred Lunar eggs are Gold.

 

Sep 18, 2015 starting @ 8:00 PM EST/DC to Sep 21, 2015 @7:59 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waxing Gibbous

Cirion: Waxing Crescent

CB Lunar eggs are Gold, and Bred Lunar eggs are Gold.

 

Sep 21, 2015 starting @ 8:00 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waxing Gibbous

Cirion: Waxing Gibbous

CB Lunar eggs have changed from Gold to Silver, and Bred Lunar eggs have changed from Gold to Silver.

- The Gold egg drop lasted about 4 days.

 

Sep 22, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DC to Sep 25, 2015 @ 7:59 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waxing Gibbous

Cirion: Waxing Gibbous

CB Lunar eggs are Silver, and Bred Lunar eggs are Silver.

 

Sep 25, 2015 starting 8:00 PM EST/DC to Sep 26, 2015 @ 7:59 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Full

Cirion: Full

CB Lunar eggs are Silver, and Bred Lunar eggs are Silver.

 

Sep 26, 2015 starting 8:00 PM EST/DC to Sep 29, 2015 @ 7:59 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning Gibbous

Cirion: Waning Gibbous

CB Lunar eggs are Silver, and Bred Lunar eggs are Silver.

 

Sep 29, 2015 starting @ 8:00 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning Gibbous

Cirion: Waning Crescent

CB Lunar eggs have changed from Silver to Gold, and Bred Lunar eggs have changed from Silver to Gold.

- The Silver egg drop lasted about 8 days.

 

Sep 30, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DC to Oct 3, 2015 @ 7:59 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning Gibbous

Cirion: Waning Crescent

CB Lunar eggs are Gold, and Bred Lunar eggs are Gold.

 

Oct 3, 2015 starting @ 8:00 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning Crescent

Cirion: New

CB Lunar eggs have changed from Gold to Bronze, and Bred Lunar eggs have changed from Gold to Bronze.

- The Gold egg drop lasted about 4 days.

[Edited by Shokomon]

- Note: The Moon Phases TJ posted were Phases of the moon at 12:00 AM EST of their respective date. That is why the post doesn't match up with the color change.

- We can have proof that on Sept 1, 2015, the phases changed at 8:00 PM EST/DC, where Aurax shifted Waning Gibbous to Waning Crescent. However, since Cirion's phases were wrong at the time, we can only assume that Cirion changed from Waning Cresent to New Moon based on TJ's corrected phases.

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A General Overview of Theories

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- There are many theories on how the eggs will come and when, including, but not limited to:

1)Debunked.

2) Certain eggs being avaliable relative to the different phases of each moon (assuming the moons are NOT in sync) and overlap between both moons' phases.

3) Debunked.

4) Certain Lunar eggs colors are linked to Aurax, and the other colors are linked to Cirion.

5) Debunked.

6) The Lunar egg colors are based on what percentage of the moons are illuminated. If one moon is greater than 50% illuminated (gibbous to full), while the other moon is less than 50% illuminated (crescent to new), then Lunar eggs are the color of the dominant moon. If both moons are equal in illumination, other colors show up.

7) Debunked.

8 ) Debunked.

9) The Lunar Herald eggs colors will NOT come in a linear fashion, and there are possible periods where a color or two do not show up for extended periods of time, despite the other colors showing up. For example, Gold --> Bronze --> Blue --> Bronze --> Gold --> Silver --> Bronze --> Continue.

- Exactly which moon phase produces what eggs, which colors are associated with which moon, and the time lengths for how long each egg color will be available are up for debate.

- The Lunar Heralds' description has given some support to Theories 2, and 6.

- The newest phase change, recent egg colors, and TJ's correctional post seems to support Theory 2, 6, and 9.

 

- There are also theories about the DC lunar cycle itself, including, but not limited to:

1) Debunked.

2) The Moons are NOT in sync, and occasionally have overlapping phases.

3) Debunked.

4) The DC Lunar cycles are NOT equivalent to Earth's Lunar cycle, and the current phases may last longer or shorter than a week.

- And there more theories on the size of the moons, their relative speeds, their distance from Valkemare, and the list goes on.

- As of the most recent phase change and TJ's correctional post, the Valkemare's moon phases are not in sync͵ supporting Theory 2.

- As of the most recent phase change and TJ's correctional post, the Valkemare's moon phases are not in alignment with Earth's, supporting Theory 4.

 

See "Debunked Theories" Section for disproved theories.

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Current Prevailing Theory

--

This theory has been confirmed!

 

The thread's most prevalent theory revolves around the ideas that Lunar Herald Egg colors are tied to the how much of the two moons, Aurax (The Gold Moon) and Cirion (The Blue Moon) are illuminated and which one is most illuminated:

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- Different moon phases correspond to different amounts of illumination:

--- Gibbous Moons are in between 50% and 100% illminated.

--- Crescent Moons are in between 0% and 50% illuminated.

--- Full Moons are 100% illuminated.

--- New Moons are 0% illuminated.

 

- Different colors of Lunar Herald eggs should occur under these conditions:

--- The Gold Lunar Herald eggs show up when Aurax is most illuminated and over 50% illuminated.

--- The Indigo Lunar Herald eggs show up when Cirion is most illuminated and over 50% illuminated.

--- The Silver Lunar Herald eggs show up when Aurax and Cirion are both over 50% illuminated.

--- The Bronze Lunar Herald eggs show up when Aurax and Cirion are both under 50% illuminated.

 

- In simple terms:

 

If "---" Cirion and "---" Aurax illumated = Eggs are "---."

>50% Cirion, <50% Aurax = Indigo

<50% Cirion, >50% Aurax = Gold

<50% Cirion, <50% Aurax = Bronze

>50% Cirion, >50% Aurax = Silver

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There are also predictions on the lunar cycle lengths and which eggs will come next in the oncoming days:

 

-Theories are based on these speculations extrapolated from current data:

--- Cirion's orbit 16 days long.

--- Aurax's orbit 32 days long. (Exactly 2x Cirion's)

--- New Moons and Full Moons count towards their following phases.

-----Explanation: Instead of below,

Quote

08/29/15 ---> 09/01/15 ---> 09/02/15 ---> 09/05/15 ---> 09/09/15

-- 12:00 AM ------- 8:00 PM ------- 8:00 PM* --------- 8:00 PM -------- 8:00 PM ---

Waning Crescent --- New ----- Waxing Crescent --- Waxing Gibbous ----- Full

--- [3 days, 20 hrs] ---|--- [24 hours] ----|---- [3 days] ------|----- [4 days] ----|---

*= estimation as we don't have a confirmed time for that period

Which grants unequal phase lengths, the New Moon counts towards the following Crescent phase, which results in equal phase lengths, as seen below:

Quote

08/29/15 ---> 09/01/15 ---> 09/02/15 ---> 09/05/15 ---> 09/09/15

-- 12:00 AM ------- 8:00 PM ------- 8:00 PM* --------- 8:00 PM -------- 8:00 PM ---

Waning Crescent --- New -and- Waxing Crescent --- Waxing Gibbous ----- Full

--- [3 days, 20 hrs] ---|--------------- [4 days] --------------|---------- [4 days] ----|---

*= estimation as we don't have a confirmed time for that period

--- Prince_Xanthius made a handy table that shows our predicted Lunar cycles for Aurax and Cirion:

(Red numbers are unconfirmed but are extrapolated from available data. All red numbers are confirmed for Cirion and Aurax.)

 

- We have predicted that the Cirion's speed will outpace Aurax too quickly, leaving it's Waning Gibbous phase, before Aurax can reach Waxing Gibbous.

- Also, because of the 2:1 lunar cycle Cirion and Aurax have, we predict that the eggs will come an unusual pattern that can leave us without certain colors for seemingly long periods of time, despite all the eggs having an equal number of drop days.

- This phenomenon, also, suggests that because of the set lengths and speeds of the two moons, only a certain number of phases out of the every single combination will be available; the unavailable combinations will never occur.

--- PinkGothic made an excellent post explaining this phenomenon.

--- Prince_Xanthius made a simple table that explains which Lunar Herald colors come during which overlapping phases of the moons based on the above stated phenomenon.

--- Possible available and unavailable phase overlaps: (Table and images made by Shokomon)

 

-This means we will probably see bronzes (<50% Aurax and <50% Cirion) and golds (>50% Aurax, <50% Cirion) before we will see our first batch of Silvers (>50% Aurax, >50% Cirion).

- Our first batch of Silver should drop late September.

---This was confirmed on September 21, 205 at 8:00 PM.

 

- Rubyeyes has made a wonderful calendar predicting the upcoming eggs.

- Millie_Azure made the following post predicting the upcoming phases and the corresponding Lunar Herald eggs available, including a calendar all the way to 2020:

Millie_Azure said:

Also, here's a handy calendar through the end of the year.

Blues and silvers will always drop for eight days at a time.

Golds and bronzes will always drop for four days at a time.

 

 

21 Sep - Waxing Gibbous - Waxing Gibbous - Silver

29 Sep - Waning Gibbous - Waning Crescent - Gold

3 Oct - Waning Crescent - New ---------------- Bronze

7 Oct - Waning Crescent - Waxing Gibbous - Blue

15 Oct - Waxing Crescent - Waning Crescent - Bronze

19 Oct - Waxing Gibbous - New ---------------- Gold

23 Oct - Waxing Gibbous - Waxing Gibbous - Silver

31 Oct - Waning Gibbous - Waning Crescent - Gold

4 Nov - Waning Crescent - New ---------------- Bronze

8 Nov - Waning Crescent - Waxing Gibbous - Blue

16 Nov - Waxing Crescent - Waning Crescent - Bronze

20 Nov - Waxing Gibbous - New ---------------- Gold

24 Nov - Waxing Gibbous - Waxing Gibbous - Silver

2 Dec - Waning Gibbous - Waning Crescent - Gold

6 Dec - Waning Crescent - New ---------------- Bronze

10 Dec - Waning Crescent - Waxing Gibbous - Blue

18 Dec - Waxing Crescent - Waning Crescent - Bronze

22 Dec - Waxing Gibbous - New ---------------- Gold

26 Dec - Waxing Gibbous - Waxing Gibbous - Silver

 

And for those super long-term lineage project planners, here's a calendar through 2020.

 

Current data fully supports the theory!

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Debunked Theories

--

These are general theories already debunked by current data.

 

- Debunked Theories Surrounding Lunar Egg Colors:

  1) Certain eggs being available during different phases of the moons in general, under the assumption that the moons are in sync, and will share the same moon phases.

  3) One moon's phases controlling cave-born colors and the other moon's phases controlling bred colors.

  5) Gold is the CB color, and the others could be Bred colors.

  7) The Lunar egg colors are based on what percentage of the moons are illuminated, regardless of which moon is illuminated.

  8 ) The Lunar Herald egg colors will come in a linear fashion (aka all the colors in a row.) For example, Gold --> Bronze --> Blue --> Silver --> Gold --> Repeat.

- Debunked Theories Surrounding Aurax's and Cirion's Lunar Cycle:

  1) The Moons are in sync and share phases.

  3) The DC Lunar cycle is equivalent to Earth's Lunar cycle, and the current phase will change in at  most a week.

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Quick References for Terms and Extra Information

 

- List of every Phase, Phase Change, And Lunar Herald Color change for the Lunar Herald Breeding/Valkemare Lunar Cycle by day of cycle: View Post here.

 

- Good to Know Websites

1. The Time Reference page found on DC that shows the current time of day, seasons, and moon phases found in the DC world of Valkemare
2. The Dragon Cave Wiki Lunar Herald page that gives a good overview on the Lunar Herald Dragons including sprites and extra information. (BE WARNED. THERE BE SPOILERS IN THE LINK.)
3. Pinkgothic made a page on the Daily Dragon Fix Website that tells you what egg is dropping and when the other eggs will begin dropping! It also shows a calendar displaying the current lunar cycle and color changes, as well as, the current lunar phase. You can view it here.

 

- World-Related and Moon Terms

• Valkemare = The world where the Dragon Cave game takes place
• Aurax = Valkemare's (DC's) Bigger Gold Moon
• Cirion = Valkemare's (DC's) Smaller Blue Moon
• Waxing Crescent = WaXing Crescent = WxC
• Waxing Gibbous = WaXing Gibbous = WxG
• Full Moon = Full Moon = Full = Ful

•  Waning Gibbous = WaNing Gibbous = WnG

• Waning Crescent = WaNing Crescent = WnC
•  New Moon = New Moon = New
• First Quarter = FQ (not used)
• Last Quarter = LQ (not used)
  • (8-bit moons are Shokomon's work.)

 

- Lunar Herald Eggs (by LadyLyzar, the wonderful artist for the Lunar Heralds)

•   Gold = Gold Lunar Herald Egg = Golden Lunar Herald Egg = Aurax Lunar Herald Egg
•  Silver = Silver Lunar Herald Egg = White Lunar Herald Egg = Light Lunar Herald Egg = Full Lunar Herald Egg
•  Bronze = Bronze Lunar Herald Egg = Brown Lunar Herald Egg = Chocolate Lunar Herald Egg = Dark Lunar Herald Egg = New Lunar Herald Egg
•  Indigo = Indigo Lunar Herald Egg = Blue Lunar Herald Egg = Sapphire Lunar Herald Egg = Cirion Lunar Herald Egg

 

- Calenders and Tracking Documents

• Documents

  1) DC Moon Watch and Lunar Egg Tracking Document

  - A document for actively Aurax's and Cirion's moon phases and Lunar Herald eggs caught/bred during those times to determine Valkemare's Lunar Cycles and Lunar Herald breeding patterns.

• Calenders for Lunar Herald Predictions

  1) Short-term Calendar made by Rubyeyes that shows predicted Lunar Herald eggs until the end of Nov 2015.

  2) Long-term Calender made by Millie_Azure that shows predicted Lunar Herald eggs until the end of 2020.

 

- Picture explaining how moon phases work (from Wikipedia)

 

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Edit (11/9/19): Editing images because photobucket sucks and tinypic is dead

Edited November 9, 2019 by Shokomon

[schmupti]

Any theories yet that it's the amount of moonlight in the sky rather than individual moons and phases?

 

Perhaps the range isn't the standard prize bronze->silver->gold but blue (all dark) -> bronze (slim light, 1 or 2 crescents) -> gold (moderate light, 1 or 2 gibbous) -> silver (all full).

[Shokomon]

Any theories yet that it's the amount of moonlight in the sky rather than individual moons and phases?

 

Perhaps the range isn't the standard prize bronze->silver->gold but blue (all dark) -> bronze (slim light, 1 or 2 crescents) -> gold (moderate light, 1 or 2 gibbous) -> silver (all full).

Huh, well that's certainly possible! I've seen a different theory based on a similar principle and put that idea theories section above, but for yours, you are saying:

 

If at least 1 moon is a Gibbous: Gold Lunar Egg

If at least 1 moon is a Crescent: Bronze Lunar Egg, unless the other moon is Full or Gibbous

If both moons are Full: Silver Lunar Egg

If both moons are New: Blue Lunar Egg

 

- And it doesn't matter which moon is in what, just that one of them is.

- You didn't put what would happen if one moon was full or if one moon was new, but I'm assuming it would be like this:

 

If 1 moon is full: Gold Lunar egg, unless the other moon is Full

If 1 moon is New: Color of the Lunar egg is determined by the other moon's phase

 

Am I understanding it correctly? Or am I confused?

 

This could work, bu I'm partial to the theory that certain colors are associated with Aurax and other colors with Cirion. So, any theory I prefer usually takes that into account. You could still be right though!

[Ruby Eyes]

My theory is:

- as long as Aurax shows more light than Cirion, it'll be a golden (lots of golden light) or bronze one (a little golden light)

(so far, that matches current sightings, considering that Cirion is smaller than Aurax)

- more blue light means blue eggs

- both really bright means silver eggs

 

so the only questions remaining would be exactly how much light is required, and why are there no half moons?

 

 

Do we even have any information on "first quarter" or "last quarter"?

[Capella]

My theory is:

- as long as Aurax shows more light than Cirion, it'll be a golden (lots of golden light) or bronze one (a little golden light)

(so far, that matches current sightings, considering that Cirion is smaller than Aurax)

- more blue light means blue eggs

- both really bright means silver eggs

 

so the only questions remaining would be exactly how much light is required, and why are there no half moons?

 

 

Do we even have any information on "first quarter" or "last quarter"?

Last Quarter could've happened between Aurax's waning gibbous and waning crescent phase, it just would've had to have lasted less than a day e.g. between 0:00 and 0:00 cave time, which were the times TJ recorded the phases for us.

[Shokomon]

My theory is:

- as long as Aurax shows more light than Cirion, it'll be a golden (lots of golden light) or bronze one (a little golden light)

(so far, that matches current sightings, considering that Cirion is smaller than Aurax)

- more blue light means blue eggs

- both really bright means silver eggs

 

so the only questions remaining would be exactly how much light is required, and why are there no half moons?

 

 

Do we even have any information on "first quarter" or "last quarter"?

The only information we really have on the Quarter phases is that Aurax skipped the Last Quarter. When the cave hit 09/01/15 @ 8:00PM, Aurax is confirmed to move from Waning Gibbous to Waning Crescent. We could assume that the Quarter phases are excluded, but we really have to watch and see if it was just a 1 time thing or the Quarters really are exluded.

 

Actually, I wonder why there are no half moons too... Maybe it was too much to code?

[pinkgothic]

I am still tickled pink that the theory I had right at the start is thus far holding true, even though I was all "huh, that's not what's happening" then. I'm not proud of the theory itself, it's the obvious theory as far as I'm concerned, but there's just something hilarious about that I stubbornly posted it up even though it went against the data visible at the time.

 

If you'd asked me before I nabbed any eggs what I'd assume the correspondence of eggs to moons to be like, I would have said:

 

First, group moon phases like this:

 

Group A:

- first quarter

- waxing gibbous

- full moon

- waning gibbous

 

Group B:

- last/third quarter

- waning crescent

- new moon

- waxing crescent

 

In that case, the colours work like this:

 

- White: Aurax A, Cirion A

- Gold: Aurax A, Cirion B

- Blue: Aurax B, Cirion A

- Dark: Aurax B, Cirion B

 

But that's evidently not what's happening.

 

(I may have at the time also semi-privately (there are a few users I shared this with) had the theory "huh, the deviation in colour makes no sense to me... did TJ sneak in another error into this release; are we all going to wake up with white eggs in the morning?", which almost held true - it wasn't the eggs that were glitching, it was the moon phase page. )

[Shokomon]

I am still tickled pink that the theory I had right at the start is thus far holding true, even though I was all "huh, that's not what's happening" then. I'm not proud of the theory itself, it's the obvious theory as far as I'm concerned, but there's just something hilarious about that I stubbornly posted it up even though it went against the data visible at the time.

 

 

 

(I may have at the time also semi-privately (there are a few users I shared this with) had the theory "huh, the deviation in colour makes no sense to me... did TJ sneak in another error into this release; are we all going to wake up with white eggs in the morning?", which almost held true - it wasn't the eggs that were glitching, it was the moon phase page. )

I've got only 1 word for you. NICE! Let's see how far your theory goes!

 

And speaking of Moon Phases, WE'VE GOT BLUES! AND PHASE CHANGE! Get your butts to the cave!

 

The new information below will be added to the opening post later:

Aug 29, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DragonCave (DC) to Sep 01, 2015 @ 7:59 PM EST/DC.

Aurax: Waning Gibbous

Cirion: Waning Crescent

CB Lunar eggs are Gold.

 

Sep 01, 2015 starting 8:00 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning Crescent*

Cirion: New*

CB Lunar eggs change from Gold to Bronze.

- The Gold egg drop lasted about 3 days and 17 hours.

* = TJ's post doesn't mention a phase change at the same time the new color drops, but we know the color change happened here. So, we assume the phase changed happened here too.

 

Sep 02, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning Crescent

Cirion: New

CB Lunar eggs are Bronze.

 

Sep 03, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DC to Sep 05, 2015 @ 7:59 PM

Aurax: Waning crescent**

Cirion: Waxing crescent**

CB Lunar eggs are Bronze and Bred Lunar eggs are Bronze.

** Exact time of change Unknown.

 

Sep 05, 2015 starting @ 8:00 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning crescent

Cirion: Waxing Gibbous

CB Lunar eggs have changed from Bronze to Indigo and Bred Lunar eggs have changed from Bronze to Indigo.

- The Bronze egg drop lasted about 4 days.

[Edited by Shokomon]

 

Edit to colors and adding to top.

Edited September 6, 2015 by Shokomon

[NotBambi]

I've got only 1 word for you. NICE! Let's see how far your theory goes!

 

And speaking of Moon Phases, WE'VE GOT BLUES! AND PHASE CHANGE! Get your butts to the cave!

 

The new information below will be added to the opening post later:

So... we should be ready to catch Silver Lunar Heralds on the 9th at 8 PM cave time, right?

[schmupti]

You got me, but it looks like the current drop's disproved me, so no worries.

[Shokomon]

So... we should be ready to catch Silver Lunar Heralds on the 9th at 8 PM cave time, right?

Possibly! Depending on how and when Aurax changes... Speaking of which:

 

It seems at the moment Cirion is changing faster than Aurax.

- Cirion has gone through these phases: Waning Crescent --> New Moon --> Waxing Crescent --> Waxing Gibbous.

- Aurax has gone through these phases: Waning Gibbous --> Waning Crescent.

- Though the New Moon Phase is shorter compared to the other phases, which can account for part of the reason why Cirion is ahead of Aurax.

 

It may be that Cirion has a faster orbit than Aurax, while Aurax has a cycle closer to Earth's Moon (which is why it hasn't changed yet.)

 

Which was exactly what I was hoping for! Yay! Hopefully, we'll get all the colors in less than a month!

 

If it takes a week (like earth's Lunar cycle) for Aurax to change, then hopefully Aurax will change to New moon on 09/08/15 (since the last change was 09/01/15 at 8:00PM), and then to WaXing Crescent on 09/09/15 (assuming a New and Full Moons last only 24 hrs).

As for Cirion, if we assume that the phase change from New moon to WaXing Cresent occurred at 09/02/15 @ 8:00PM (24 hrs after the first phase change of WaNing Crescent to New Moon at 8:00PM 09/01/15), then there is a 3 day wait between Cirion phases that aren't New or Full Moon. Cirion's next phase from WaXing Gibbous (which started today, 09/05/15 at 8:00PM) to Full Moon should be at 09/08/15 as well.

 

Who knows what will come up. You could be right.

[ForNarniaMC]

Time: 00:15 AM Dragon Cave Time (DC)

Date: 6 September 2015

Moon hases: 

I. Aurax (Gold Moon): Waning Crescent

II. Cirion (Blue Moon): Waxing Gibbous

Lunar Heralds:

A. I caught a Indigo Lunar Herald egg. Lineage Link

B. I bred a Gold Silver Bronze Indigo Lunar Herald egg. Lineage Link

 

 

[Shokomon]

Thank you for your contribution!

[angelicdragonpuppy]

I am still tickled pink that the theory I had right at the start is thus far holding true, even though I was all "huh, that's not what's happening" then. I'm not proud of the theory itself, it's the obvious theory as far as I'm concerned, but there's just something hilarious about that I stubbornly posted it up even though it went against the data visible at the time.

 

 

 

(I may have at the time also semi-privately (there are a few users I shared this with) had the theory "huh, the deviation in colour makes no sense to me... did TJ sneak in another error into this release; are we all going to wake up with white eggs in the morning?", which almost held true - it wasn't the eggs that were glitching, it was the moon phase page. )

Oh, Pinkgothic, that's brilliant! I was wondering if the colors were just randomly assigned to the different moon phases but with your theory it makes perfect sense.

[helix9]

The timing was pretty impeccable on my part, since all my bronzes just grew up in the past hour and freed up my scroll. It looks like the indigos are dropping in big cave drops like the past two as well, so that's a good sign for the future silvers.

 

Thank you all for keeping track of this information!

[Kegluneq]

Something I noticed:

 

IMPORTANT: Before 09/03/13, 1:56 PM

 

:B

 

So, according to the adults description: "Lunar Heralds are deeply attuned to the two moons of Valkemare..."

 

The day of the release (when the Golds dropped), both moons were in synch and as I was expecting they were corrected, right? The Blue, or Indigo ones, are the only color dropping right now though the moons are not in synch anymore.

 

What I'm thinking, wondering, guessing is that we will get the chance to collect CB's of the same color till the Silvers drop. My theory is that both moons influence CB color, as well as influence breeding color.

 

But since both moons were in synch in the beginning it was fair to drop and breed one kind at a time till we get the Silvers. The initial drop of the Silvers is yet to come, so once the Silvers start dropping in the Cave we will catch an breed Silvers (only) for about 4 days, just like the previous Gold and Bronze.

 

If my theory is correct, once the "initial" drop of the Silvers finishes and Golds start dropping in the cave again we should see 2 different colors dropping from there on.

Edited September 6, 2015 by Kegluneq

[Fiona]

Kegluneq, the two moons were not in synch, as shown by TJ's post correcting the data for the initial drop. Cirion should have shown as Waning Crescent, rather than as Waning Gibbous. Aurax was correctly being shown as Waning Crescent but Cirion was not. TJ said Cirion was showing Aurax's phases by mistake. So the two moons have not been in synch at all yet.

 

My guess is that the heralds will hold to the pattern that we see currently developing. That is, golds will drop and breed for four days, then bronze, then blue and last silver, and then it will start back again at gold. Rinse and repeat.

[Kegluneq]

Yes, that's right ^^ I mean, both moons were not in synch from the very beginning, I read TJ's post about it. Somehow I feel the current phase of both moons should be the decisive factor on the color of the eggs, being bred or CB. It's just a theory like I said in my previous post, but then again if Cirion was showing a different phase by mistake then the system itself was not confused about it.

 

So far, it seems to me too that's going to happen: first Gold, then Bronze, Blue and Silver at last, and then all over again, because it seems one moon is affecting or influencing the pattern so far.

[Shokomon]

Does anyone think that we could get a double dose of eggs on certain days. Like say, both moons are full, you may have a chance of getting gold and indigo?

[dustpuppy]

First off, thank you so much for these updates, Shokomon!

 

I've tried to break down the theories of Ruby Eyes and pinkgothic (if I understood them correctly) into a simple, easy-to-remember form:

 

More gold than blue light = GOLD

 

Little gold light + little blue light = BRONZE

 

More blue than gold light = BLUE

 

A lot of both = SILVER

 

Does that sound about right? It makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[NotBambi]

First off, thank you so much for these updates, Shokomon!

 

I've tried to break down the theories of Ruby Eyes and pinkgothic (if I understood them correctly) into a simple, easy-to-remember form:

 

More gold than blue light = GOLD

 

Little gold light + little blue light = BRONZE

 

More blue than gold light = BLUE

 

A lot of both = SILVER

 

Does that sound about right? It makes a lot of sense to me.

Makes perfect sense and I think that several of us are on the same page

[pinkgothic]

Hmm. Eye-balling the data and fumbling around with my colour <-> phase theory, I suspect we'll get Aurax/gold lunar heralds again before we get whites/silvers. Possibly with a day of dark/bronze lunar heralds before the Aurax/gold drop.

 

Assuming it takes Aurax about five days to change to the 'next relevant' phase (which is a complete guess at this point), since it takes Cirion somewhere in the ballpark of two-ish, three-ish days to change phase, then we might be looking at this:

 

7th of September: Aurax dim (waxing-crescent-ish) | Cirion bright (waxing-gibbous-ish)

8th of September: Aurax dim (waxing-crescent-ish) | Cirion bright (waning-gibbous-ish)

9th of September: Aurax dim (waxing-crescent-ish) | Cirion bright (waning-gibbous-ish)

10th of September: Aurax dim (waxing-crescent-ish) | Cirion bright (waning-gibbous-ish)

11th of September: Aurax dim (waxing-crescent-ish) | Cirion dim (waning-crescent-ish) <-- dark/bronzes again!

12th of September: Aurax bright (waxing-gibbous-ish) | Cirion dim (waning-crescent-ish) <-- Aurax/gold again!

13th of September: Aurax bright (waxing-gibbous-ish) | Cirion dim (waning-crescent-ish)

14th of September: Aurax bright (waxing-gibbous-ish) | Cirion dim (waxing-crescent-ish)

15th of September: Aurax bright (waxing-gibbous-ish) | Cirion dim (waxing-crescent-ish)

16th of September: Aurax bright (waxing-gibbous-ish) | Cirion dim (waxing-crescent-ish)

17th of September: Aurax bright (waning-gibbous-ish) | Cirion bright (waxing-gibbous-ish) <-- white/silver starts here, though!

[...]

 

I honestly have no idea how likely that is to be accurate. I'm half asleep. But I do think Cirion isn't going to stay bright long enough to overlap with Aurax's bright phase in such a way that we'll get white/silvers next.

 

We'll see, I suppose!

 

[ Edit: Edited for clarity. ]

 

[ Edit II: Make that a bit more readable, for that matter. ]

Edited September 6, 2015 by pinkgothic

[Shokomon]

I wish the cycle would hurry up already so we could be done.

 

But that's a cool assessment, PinkGothic!

 

I want to know already...

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Edit: I'm sticking with this for the initial part at least:

If it takes a week/7days (like earth's Lunar cycle) for Aurax to change, then hopefully, at most, Aurax will change to New Moon on 09/08/15 @ 8:00PM (since the last change was 09/01/15 at 8:00PM), and then to WaXing Crescent on 09/09/15 (assuming New and Full Moons last only 24 hrs).

 

As for Cirion, if we assume that the phase change from New moon to WaXing Cresent occurred at 09/02/15 @ 8:00PM (24 hrs after the first phase change of WaNing Crescent to New Moon at 8:00PM 09/01/15), then there is an approximate 3 day wait between Cirion phases that aren't New or Full Moon. Cirion's next phase change from WaXing Gibbous (which started today, 09/05/15 at 8:00PM) to Full Moon should be at 09/08/15 as well.

 

So then by if we follow your theory by 8:00PM 09/08/15 We get the phases:

 

Aurax: Waning Crescent (dark) --> New Moon (dark)

Cirion: Waxing Gibbous (Bright) --> Full Moon (Bright)

 

We should continue to get indigos. And then by the next day, 09/09/15, at 8:00 PM:

 

Aurax: New Moon (dark) --> Waxing Cresent (dark)

Cirion: Full Moon (Bright) --> Waning Gibbous (Bright)

 

We should still get indigos... And since Cirion is faster than Aurax, will get at least 1 dark phase for Cirion before Aurax gets a bright phase...matching up with your predictions of bronzes will come up first.

Edited September 6, 2015 by Shokomon

[NotBambi]

But I do think Cirion isn't going to stay bright long enough to overlap with Aurax's bright phase in such a way that we'll get white/silvers next.

Oh dear... That's worrisome... *mumbles about potential drama*