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I have a pretty intense loathing for most of the people running for president, from both parties. Yay politics.

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I'm not voting for any Republicans but, out of them all, I dislike Trump and Fiorina the most. Trump knows nothing about running a nation (he wants to build a wall around the country which would ruin international trade for us and cost thousands of American jobs) and Fiorina is so adamant about de-funding Planned Parenthood (which would ruin hundreds of thousands of women, men, and children who depend on PP for basic health assistance; it's not just abortion [which is only 3% of what PP does]).

 

I'm leaning more and more for Clinton. She's not perfect, no, but at least she's straight forward about her foreign policy and desire for diplomacy. Sanders seems too eager for war for my comfort. He's supported war before and then, when it backfired, he laid blame on the people our military was sent to aid. I think it was the war with Iraq? I don't recall, I'll have to reread the article I found the other day that compared Clinton and Sanders' foreign policy stances. Sanders had mentioned next to nothing about foreign policy and seemed to be focus on domestic concerns more. Which, don't get me wrong, is great but we're not an isolationist country. We can't be an isolationist country because we owe too much debt and our government, unfortunately, likes to put its nose where it doesn't belong. Clinton, at the least, is focusing on both the domestic and the foreign by the sound of it.

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I'm leaning more and more for Clinton. She's not perfect, no

You don't have to be perfect to not be a criminal wink.gif

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Bernie Sanders, no contest. From what I've seen, there is no other candidate I would throw my lot in with. Just to preface; I have no set political party. I agree with many liberal policies, but coming from a family that has a history of running small businesses, there's quite a few conservative ideas I find myself siding with. More than anything, I'm a free thinker and I hate the idea of a two-party system, with people (mostly those in congress) taking one side of the sandbox and noisily honking at any bills the "other side" tries to pass... despite, you know, not reading the ****ing bills.

 

The Republican race is a circus. It's loud, disturbing, and it even has a clown. I'm afraid to visit my Grandmother for the next year because Trump is the personification of Fox News, which she loves. People also love to say he'd "be good for America's economy." Oh yeah, a bratty boy born with a silver spoon in his mouth would be great for the economy. Taxing Mexico, one of our largest trade partners, to make them pay for a wall, to keep out illegal immigrants? Yeah... not like we have a deficit or anything. TOTALLY not like Mexico is our neighbor or anything. Not like millions of dollars are generated from trade with Mexico. The last guys who built a huge wall to keep out invaders was China, even then it took hundreds of years to build, killed hundreds of people during its labor, and didn't even keep out invaders. Why am I even humoring that idea?! I won't waste any more time on Donald Trump. It's like Scrooge McDuck had a frontal lobotomy and was exposed to radiation.

 

If I had to pick one from that side who's coherent, though, I would guess I would have to say Jeb Bush is the least of all the evils, but that may be because he can talk about issues without lapsing into praising his religion or praising himself. However, I feel he has a conflict of interest. The Bush family is heavily involved with oil corporations. Though one would hope he would put that behind himself as he went into office, the truth is that it's quite rare to completely leave your past life behind for any reason. Oil corporations heavily benefited from our involvement in the middle east, and both George H.W Bush and his son lead us into costly wars in the region. Our involvement in the area directly lead to the formation of ISIS thanks to our constant overthrowing of established regimes, causing power vacuums (There's a lot of history here that I can't cover because we would get off topic, I implore you to do some research on this. It's worth knowing). There were other causes, of course, but when North Korea threatens war against us and our allies and China commits human right atrocity after human right atrocity, America isn't too keen on invading. However, when Kuwait is threatened, suddenly the U.S wants to 'spread democracy'. Jeb Bush is not his brother or his father, and there are many people unlike their families. However, those who are unlike their close families are the minority. Blood is thicker than water, and that's my opinion on that subject.

 

On to the Democratic party... Perhaps I am biased against Clinton. My family has never trusted her, and I don't either. Like most candidates, she has taken lots of campaign donations from large corporations and will likely be beholden to their desires. She has never felt honest to me. I didn't like her when she ran for president four years ago, I remember her dodging questions and vastly exaggerating the things she had done in usual politician fashion. When the Clintons were in office, they mostly coasted off of an economic boom that Reagan had created. I feel their success in office was only in small part to them. Perhaps more research on my part would warm me up to her, but for now, I have a gut feeling that's warning me about her. A gut feeling I've had for a very long time. It would be nice to have a female in office, but I never want to vote for someone just because they are *insert group here*.

 

Why do I support Bernie Sanders? For one, I think in all honesty, one of the GREATEST mistakes of the current time is the Citizen's United ruling that opened the floodgates for political spending and corporate personhood. When I did my research on the subject... it was like realizing your back tire is stuck in the mud, and you aren't going anywhere until you're out of the muck. This issue is a top priority to me, and it's a top issue to Bernie Sanders. This ruling is something that won't be attacked by any other politician, aside MAYBE Trump, and he's not a viable option. It's legalized bribery, and it benefits politicians who are elected. More than that, Bernie Sanders has a track record with helping equality movements. He was a figurehead of the Civil Rights movement, vehemently supporting it! He supports planned parenthood, he supports separation of church and state, cutting the wealth gap, net neutrality, helping the growing lower class get back on their feet, fixing our crumbling infrastructure, equalizing pay for men and women. He wants to change our broken education system, and take tips from the nations who are top-tier in global education like Finland and Norway. I feel like this candidate stands for everything I stand for. He's not hawkish in war, but I'm done with all this senseless violence. In the past, all we've done is cause more and more issues, even Obama's drone program creates more terrorists than it kills. I think we have too many problems at home that need to be focused on. If we have to sacrifice some foreign policy to tackle lots of domestic policy? So be it. After all, he can always select a vice president and a cabinet to cover his weak points. This rocket is pointed in the right direction, we just need to light his fuse.

 

And that's about all I have to say about that.

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Bernie Sanders, no contest. From what I've seen, there is no other candidate I would throw my lot in with. Just to preface; I have no set political party. More than anything, I'm a free thinker and I hate the idea of a two-party system, with people (mostly those in congress) taking one side of the sandbox and noisily honking at any bills the "other side" tries to pass... despite, you know, not reading the ****ing bills.

 

It would be nice to have a female in office, but I never want to vote for someone just because they are *insert group here*.

 

Why do I support Bernie Sanders? For one, I think in all honesty, one of the GREATEST mistakes of the current time is the Citizen's United ruling that opened the floodgates for political spending and corporate personhood. When I did my research on the subject... it was like realizing your back tire is stuck in the mud, and you aren't going anywhere until you're out of the muck. This issue is a top priority to me, and it's a top issue to Bernie Sanders. This ruling is something that won't be attacked by any other politician, aside MAYBE Trump, and he's not a viable option. It's legalized bribery, and it benefits politicians who are elected. More than that, Bernie Sanders has a track record with helping equality movements. He was a figurehead of the Civil Rights movement, vehemently supporting it! He supports planned parenthood, he supports separation of church and state, cutting the wealth gap, net neutrality, helping the growing lower class get back on their feet, fixing our crumbling infrastructure, equalizing pay for men and women. He wants to change our broken education system, and take tips from the nations who are top-tier in global education like Finland and Norway. I feel like this candidate stands for everything I stand for. He's not hawkish in war, but I'm done with all this senseless violence. In the past, all we've done is cause more and more issues, even Obama's drone program creates more terrorists than it kills. I think we have too many problems at home that need to be focused on. If we have to sacrifice some foreign policy to tackle lots of domestic policy? So be it. After all, he can always select a vice president and a cabinet to cover his weak points. This rocket is pointed in the right direction, we just need to light his fuse.

I agree with all of your comment but especially these parts.

 

I promised myself when I saw a woman running for office [who is also a Democrat] then I'd support her. That was before I saw how much better Bernie is how much I thoroughly agree with what he'd bring to the table. I'm not going to vote for a woman just because she's a woman. Likewise I'm not going to vote for a man just because he's a man. I want to vote for someone who's policies and approach I actually AGREE with, and that's Bernie Sanders.

 

GO BERNIE! <3 You can do it my buddy ol' pal! <3

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Don't really have a favorite.

Not a fan of politicians anyway. dry.gif

 

Definitely NOT liking Trump or Sanders or Bush or Clinton. Beyond that, idk.

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Most of the Republicans scare the heck out of me and the Dems just don't move me.

Maybe my choice isn't in the race yet.

I will vote for someone in 16 laugh.gif

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One thing that I do appreciate about Trump is that he does not play the "politically correct" game. He says what he thinks and doesn't care if it isn't politically correct.

 

IMO we need someone who will do that. The constant barrage of "I'm offended" is grating and draining. I appreciate the man's openness and not walking on eggshells. He tells it like it is.

 

However, there is also a time and place to shut your mouth and I don't think Trump has quite figured that out. Hence I am concerned he is going to alienate more people than he attracts.

 

I also really do not like that he approves of eminent domain. To forcibly take someone's property is just wrong, even if you pay them for it. You cannot put a price on some things.

 

After the last debate, I am not sure if Carson is presidential material, but I would like to see more screen time for him before deciding. Even if he isn't nominated for the Presidency, he would make a fantastic Surgeon General.

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One thing that I do appreciate about Trump is that he does not play the "politically correct" game. He says what he thinks and doesn't care if it isn't politically correct.

 

IMO we need someone who will do that. The constant barrage of "I'm offended" is grating and draining. I appreciate the man's openness and not walking on eggshells. He tells it like it is.

^So much this. I don't like or trust Trump at all, but the lack of PCness is extremely refreshing.

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Being "pc" is literally the pc term for not being an obvious bigot, so it is depressingly funny to me when people rebuke political correctness or praise others for not "buying into" political correctness.

 

Like, yeah, it's nice when I am not tricked because a bigot is openly hateful, but that doesn't make it a good trait imo. XD

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Not exactly. PC is having to choose your words so carefully that you won't offend someone even if your statement is taken grossly out of context, or if there is no malice behind it.

 

Every public figure in the world has had this happen to them at least once.

 

I can remember where Obama was slammed for making a sexual innuendo comment during a speech. I don't think he wrote the speech himself and was clearly embarrassed once he realized what he had just said. The crowd rolled laughing; he did not. Despite that, he was still raked over the coals for his "bad taste".

 

Trump just says "forget it" and jumps right in.

 

Unfortunately, our society has embraced victimhood and a me-centered worldview. It is never our fault, it's our parents / siblings / school / teachers / boss / neighbor / whatever. Something has gone amiss when there is a total lack of personal responsibility and culpability.

 

This victim mentality backfires harshly when people realize that the world is not going to cater to them, so that expectation pops like an over-inflated balloon. Some react by deepening the victim cycle; some others react violently. In life, you are going to be offended. Choose how you react to it wisely.

 

Many of our most famous successful people have come from positively wretched backgrounds. There was a time when no matter what happened to you, people believed that they could better themselves.

 

That spirit appears to be fading and I am hoping for leaders that can rekindle it.

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I honestly believe that Trump, ignoring his views on social issues/immigrants etc etc because I don't want to get into that with this post, cannot be presidential material simply because he lacks the ability to be a politician. Which, I know, is a lot of his support, but also he treats the position like a CEO position, where he can call the shots by himself, and not like a role where he has to work with Congress to pass legislation.

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I'm not American, so I'll just have to get some popcorn and watch things happen. But from what I've read on the internet* so far, I think Bernie Sanders would be the best option available.

 

 

(* ... which is mostly determined by who[m?] I follow on Twitter. So I'll probably never see the whole picture - but does anybody...?)

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Not exactly.  PC is having to choose your words so carefully that you won't offend someone even if your statement is taken grossly out of context, or if there is no malice behind it.

 

Every public figure in the world has had this happen to them at least once. 

 

I can remember where Obama was slammed for making a sexual innuendo comment during a speech.  I don't think he wrote the speech himself and was clearly embarrassed once he realized what he had just said.  The crowd rolled laughing; he did not.  Despite that, he was still raked over the coals for his "bad taste".

 

Trump just says "forget it" and jumps right in.

Could you provide some more specific examples? Specifically, I'd like to see some "politically incorrect" or whatever quotes from Trump that AREN'T racist/sexist/bigoted.

 

I don't recall the Obama mistake being referred to as politically incorrect by anyone, really.

 

EDIT: I ask because I have only ever heard decries of pc from people who have said horribly bigoted things and do not like being called on it.

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It was mostly on conservative blogs and sites, discussing how low class Obama was for daring to make such a remark. Context, context, context. You could tell he was embarrassed.

 

I haven't been following Trump all that closely as I prefer Carson, but I will have a look for some specific quotes from him. However, again, always important to check the context and if the source material was cropped to make it sound worse than it was. Our brilliant media has been guilty of that more than once.

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I don't vote party lines. Doing so is what has gotten us into this mess in the first place. I vote morals. If the candidates is against the things that I believe in, then he/she will not get my vote, regardless of the political party with which he/she is aligned.

That being said, I feel that Hillary ought to be in prison for being a traitor, not running for president at all.

Socialism works great on paper. But once you introduce the reality of human beings and how we work, it falls apart. The only reason it's (kind of) working in Norway is because they have an export that sustains their economy (oil). If you want socialism, please feel free to move to Venezuela for a real world taste of what it ACTUALLY produces.

Trump: Don't much care for him. He's brash, controversial, and, to some, offensive. That being said, he is a very successful business man, and I have no doubt that if he were to become president, he would direct that same bullish behavior at our enemies, and we might actually have a chance at putting ISIS in it's place (like... six feet under, maybe).

I was really hoping that Ted Cruz would have a chance, but it seems he's dropped out of the race. So I'm not too sure who I'm voting for at this point. The lesser of the three evils is still... pretty bad. (What has this nation come to when THIS is what we have to choose from... A Traitor, a Socioeconomic idiot, and a loose cannon. Hmmm... Might have to consider moving from America while it's still legal to leave. Socialist nations typically close the borders for people trying to escape.

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^So much this. I don't like or trust Trump at all, but the lack of PCness is extremely refreshing.

Indeed, having a racist, sexist, short-sighted, selfish cactus-spike is like a breath of fresh air.

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I can't stand Trump. From his short-sighted and hypocritical insults to the way he's looks at the nation and what he plans to do to change it, he's the last thing this country needs.

 

I won't deny that he's made some good arguments, but he also understands very little about the working class and those struggling with low income. His attitude towards people who don't agree with him is something I haven't seen since elementary school. If you agree with him then he speaks highly of you, but it you don't agree with him he throws petty insults that have nothing to do with the subject at hand.

 

What do looks have to do with anything? What matters is your ability to run a country. Is he qualified to run? I don't think so.

 

At this point, the only one I'd vote for is Sanders. He seems the lesser of evils.

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anyone but trump, honestly. what a piece of trash. i don't have a single positive thing to say about him.

 

i'm personally voting for bernie, but i could settle for clinton if it comes to it. just anyone but trump, lmao. i'm especially worried now since cruz has dropped out of the race, it's basically guaranteed that trump'll be the republican nominee now.

 

american politics suck, tbh

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I like Gary Johnson, and think he would make a great president.

But he doesn't have a chance.

But I still like him, so he has my support anyway, and will continue to have my support.

 

Everyone else is extreme in one way or another, and I don't like any of them. It's too bad the only people that get any time in the spotlight is republicans and democrats, because there are great choices outside of those parties that really deserve a chance but won't ever get one.

The two-party system is garbage.

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Bernie Sanders is a wonderful candidate in my opinion. Never before has a politician's speeches make me want to cry... in a good way, that is!

 

I could type forever about him, but I'll just say I'd be very happy to see him as the president because it really seems like he wants whats best for the people and isn't afraid to address the real problems in this country that other politicians won't talk about. Because the other politicians benefit from those problems, of course. rolleyes.gif

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