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I'm still enjoying this release >w> while waiting for golds to re-release i've done a few little projects in between time, picked up a few extra bronze and indigo eggs. it's slowed down my playing and made me think a little more instead of just blindly collecting.

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golds are coming back?!

WOOO

im gonna grab another four! (and influence! biggrin.gif)'

anyone else hyped for the gold

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I need 6 Golds for freezing. A four-day Gold drop should be enough so I'll have room for the Silvers when they come. I just need to not pick up anything else.

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I have to say that I don't understand the people complaining about "this release dragging on forever".

 

I mean, yes, until the first blue Heralds came out you had to keep your scroll open, just in case. But, counting that you need at least two days to get your eggs to hatch, that meant two days of waiting for bronze, and two days more for blue. After that the release schedule was figured out, the dates for the next cycles known. From here on, everyone who wanted to do so could have gone back to normal at any time.

And if you wanted to treat this as a normal release, only the first window of every colour would be relevant for you, because those flooded about as long as any other release would, then went back to the slightly-above-normal rate that any new release of the common sort has during the first weeks.

 

So if you look at the facts you got three releases in 8 days (or, if you insist, one release with three sprites in 8 days), and a date to expect the next one about two weeks from then. Nothing and nobody was forcing anyone to collect Heralds from every recurring cycle, the colours coming back is just a change in a sprite that was already released, like with the Glory Drakes. And since the "original" releases had a normal format, there was no greater need to use the later cycles as additional release time than with any other dragon.

 

So for me, complaining about this release dragging on for too long is like complaining that the release of the Seasonals "dragged on" for almost a year - because, hey, a release is in full swing until the last of its sprites is out, even if you know that you can't expect that sprites for quite some time. I just can't see a reason to see it that way.

 

The only thing that does drag on (and I think that's fine) is the release thread. wink.gif But dragon-wise the Heralds didn't occupy that much time and space.

 

The people I do understand are the ones that are upset about the silver Heralds probably replacing a September release. Because if you are of the mind to get as many new dragon breeds as possible in as short a time as possible, then this must bother you.

I'm in a different boat, however, and rather think that with the more-or-less monthly releases we got too many breeds in too short a time. I never have been a pure sprite collector, so I appreciate time to actually do something with new dragons instead of just hauling them in one after the other.

 

That said - for me, this was (and will be, come the 21st) a great, interesting and fun release ! Thank you, TJ and LadyLyzar !

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I should have read this before I snared one lol

I'm checking the forums every day so I don't snag the wrong eggs lol.

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Really looking forward to Silvers now - although that did not stop me to stuff my scroll with many pretty eggs, the temptation is simply to big. ;3

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I have to say that I don't understand the people complaining about "this release dragging on forever".

 

I mean, yes, until the first blue Heralds came out you had to keep your scroll open, just in case. But, counting that you need at least two days to get your eggs to hatch, that meant two days of waiting for bronze, and two days more for blue. After that the release schedule was figured out, the dates for the next cycles known. From here on, everyone who wanted to do so could have gone back to normal at any time.

And if you wanted to treat this as a normal release, only the first window of every colour would be relevant for you, because those flooded about as long as any other release would, then went back to the slightly-above-normal rate that any new release of the common sort has during the first weeks.

 

So if you look at the facts you got three releases in 8 days (or, if you insist, one release with three sprites in 8 days), and a date to expect the next one about two weeks from then. Nothing and nobody was forcing anyone to collect Heralds from every recurring cycle, the colours coming back is just a change in a sprite that was already released, like with the Glory Drakes. And since the "original" releases had a normal format, there was no greater need to use the later cycles as additional release time than with any other dragon.

 

So for me, complaining about this release dragging on for too long is like complaining that the release of the Seasonals "dragged on" for almost a year - because, hey, a release is in full swing until the last of its sprites is out, even if you know that you can't expect that sprites for quite some time. I just can't see a reason to see it that way.

 

The only thing that does drag on (and I think that's fine) is the release thread. wink.gif But dragon-wise the Heralds didn't occupy that much time and space.

 

The people I do understand are the ones that are upset about the silver Heralds probably replacing a September release. Because if you are of the mind to get as many new dragon breeds as possible in as short a time as possible, then this must bother you.

I'm in a different boat, however, and rather think that with the more-or-less monthly releases we got too many breeds in too short a time. I never have been a pure sprite collector, so I appreciate time to actually do something with new dragons instead of just hauling them in one after the other.

 

That said - for me, this was (and will be, come the 21st) a great, interesting and fun release ! Thank you, TJ and LadyLyzar !

 

Yes! All of this, exactly. Hear, hear!

 

I also think that there's been a lot of fun suspense regarding the silver Lunar Heralds -- I mean, the four variants and the drawn-out time frame have really contributed to my appreciation of the sprite, overall! I've spent so long looking at them, planning, deciding how many of each color I want and noticing which ones I prioritize...considering how their offspring will look and the best partner for each color...how many eggs to keep on my scroll as they keep dropping... They're really lovely!

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I have to say that I don't understand the people complaining about "this release dragging on forever".

 

I mean, yes, until the first blue Heralds came out you had to keep your scroll open, just in case. But, counting that you need at least two days to get your eggs to hatch, that meant two days of waiting for bronze, and two days more for blue. After that the release schedule was figured out, the dates for the next cycles known. From here on, everyone who wanted to do so could have gone back to normal at any time.

And if you wanted to treat this as a normal release, only the first window of every colour would be relevant for you, because those flooded about as long as any other release would, then went back to the slightly-above-normal rate that any new release of the common sort has during the first weeks.

 

So if you look at the facts you got three releases in 8 days (or, if you insist, one release with three sprites in 8 days), and a date to expect the next one about two weeks from then. Nothing and nobody was forcing anyone to collect Heralds from every recurring cycle, the colours coming back is just a change in a sprite that was already released, like with the Glory Drakes. And since the "original" releases had a normal format, there was no greater need to use the later cycles as additional release time than with any other dragon.

 

So for me, complaining about this release dragging on for too long is like complaining that the release of the Seasonals "dragged on" for almost a year - because, hey, a release is in full swing until the last of its sprites is out, even if you know that you can't expect that sprites for quite some time. I just can't see a reason to see it that way.

 

The only thing that does drag on (and I think that's fine) is the release thread. wink.gif  But dragon-wise the Heralds didn't occupy that much time and space.

 

The people I do understand are the ones that are upset about the silver Heralds probably replacing a September release. Because if you are of the mind to get as many new dragon breeds as possible in as short a time as possible, then this must bother you.

I'm in a different boat, however, and rather think that with the more-or-less monthly releases we got too many breeds in too short a time. I never have been a pure sprite collector, so I appreciate time to actually do something with new dragons instead of just hauling them in one after the other.

 

That said - for me, this was (and will be, come the 21st) a great, interesting and fun release ! Thank you, TJ and LadyLyzar !

My thoughts exactly. I think this release was a real treat, and I feel bad for TJ and LadyLyzar when I read so many negative comments. huh.gif

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I'm with Lantean_Pegasus on this one, too. If you have followed this thread at all, it didn't take that long to figure out just when you needed to have space open for a new color. And if you didn't have the space just as the new eggs started you still had plenty of chance. I was away without internet for the first two days of the first bronze drop. Guess what? I still had almost all the bronze eggs I needed before the blue ones started dropping. And I have a scroll goal of four pairs of each new sprite!

 

I have been able to go back to breeding other things since my blue ones hatched, figuring that if the predictions were right about the silvers I had plenty of time. And if the predictions were wrong I could still pick up the eggs once those bred eggs hatched!

 

 

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I have loved this release, even with it's length. It's made it easier for me to collect the few I had planned on, as well as some other eggs that were overlooked by others. The sprites are gorgeous, and to have 4 of them is awesome biggrin.gif

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On the one had I understand the frustration of just waiting for Silvers, but on the other hand thanks to this break between cycles I've managed to start working on some older goals again, mainly because I'm checking the cave regularly anyway so I might as well do something if there's no Silvers yet.

 

However I agree with those hoping for a November or January release.

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I love this release.

The dragons.

The length of the drop, the schedule of it, the concept of it...

So much work was put into it, so much fun had by those trying to figure it out...

Lady Lazar, amazing as always.

TJ, clever as always.

How can any of it disappoint?

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There was a Golden Wyvern in Alpine and I missed it by a fraction dang

 

On topic, I personally like this release a lot. Like the others said, it's creative, the mechanics, once figured out, are interesting, and the sprites look lovely. I think everyone's hard work on these dragons shouldn't be regarded as something that becomes tiring to us, even if it can be a bit stressful biggrin.gif .

 

EDIT: Blackhill ninja'd me on this lmao

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I have to say that I don't understand the people complaining about "this release dragging on forever".

 

I mean, yes, until the first blue Heralds came out you had to keep your scroll open, just in case. But, counting that you need at least two days to get your eggs to hatch, that meant two days of waiting for bronze, and two days more for blue. After that the release schedule was figured out, the dates for the next cycles known. From here on, everyone who wanted to do so could have gone back to normal at any time.

And if you wanted to treat this as a normal release, only the first window of every colour would be relevant for you, because those flooded about as long as any other release would, then went back to the slightly-above-normal rate that any new release of the common sort has during the first weeks.

 

So if you look at the facts you got three releases in 8 days (or, if you insist, one release with three sprites in 8 days), and a date to expect the next one about two weeks from then. Nothing and nobody was forcing anyone to collect Heralds from every recurring cycle, the colours coming back is just a change in a sprite that was already released, like with the Glory Drakes. And since the "original" releases had a normal format, there was no greater need to use the later cycles as additional release time than with any other dragon.

 

So for me, complaining about this release dragging on for too long is like complaining that the release of the Seasonals "dragged on" for almost a year - because, hey, a release is in full swing until the last of its sprites is out, even if you know that you can't expect that sprites for quite some time. I just can't see a reason to see it that way.

 

The only thing that does drag on (and I think that's fine) is the release thread. wink.gif But dragon-wise the Heralds didn't occupy that much time and space.

 

The people I do understand are the ones that are upset about the silver Heralds probably replacing a September release. Because if you are of the mind to get as many new dragon breeds as possible in as short a time as possible, then this must bother you.

I'm in a different boat, however, and rather think that with the more-or-less monthly releases we got too many breeds in too short a time. I never have been a pure sprite collector, so I appreciate time to actually do something with new dragons instead of just hauling them in one after the other.

 

That said - for me, this was (and will be, come the 21st) a great, interesting and fun release ! Thank you, TJ and LadyLyzar !

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Bump for the morning!

- Eggs are still Bronze!!

- Check the DC Moon Watch and Lunar Herald Theories Thread for speculation when Silvers are going to come (as well as explanations why we think that way)!

- State your breeding plans and funny names for the Lunar Heralds in the Lunar Herald Breeding and Naming Thread!

- Please vote for your favorite Lunar Herald color on the  What's Your Favourite Lunar Herald?, Vote away! smile.gif Thread!

- Please tell me if I missed anything!

 

A CURRENT SUMMARY OF WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE MOON AND EGGS:

(For everybody who was late to the party and/or wants updates)

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- We have Beautiful pseudo-six-winged Lunar Heralds, the former prize breed, moon-loving dragons!

- Currently, Aurax (Gold Moon) and Cirion (Blue Moon) are still in the WaXing Crescent and WaNing Crescent phases respectively.

- Everyone is still catching Bronze eggs in the Cave!

- We have Adult dragons, and we are now breeding Bronze Lunar eggs!!

- The eggs are found in the Alpine, Desert, and Volcano Biomes. (Think places where the sky is easily seen.)

- So far, Gold, Bronze, and Blue/Indigo eggs have dropped in the Cave! Bronze and Blue/Indigo eggs have been bred.

 

- Info on the current moon phase can be accessed from the Time page, which you can get to by clicking the clock in the top right hand corner of the new Standard DC skin, by going to the Help page and clicking Time Reference link, by going to the first page in this thread and clicking the link in the banner, OR by clicking the 3 above links embedded in this post.

- There is currently no repeat flood for Bronze eggs. As such, it will be more difficult to catch bronze eggs, since other eggs have already mixed in. This is to be expected because Bronzes already had their flood earlier in the release.

 

- No one had been tracking the moons until now, so we have no idea how quickly they change. So, we cannot accurately predict what eggs will come when.

- That means no one knows how to get the other egg colors until the other moon phases come and the lunar cycle completes itself.

 

- IMPORTANT: All data before 09/03/13, 1:56 PM was incorrect as the time page was showing Aurax's phase for BOTH moons. TJ has provided a corrected cycle in his post.

- This does NOT affect the information gathered on the eggs, just the moon phases the eggs were caught/bred under.

 

- The cycle has progressed, and so far we know: (Cycle Post taken and modified from TJ's post)

 

--- Based on current data, it seems that Cirion's phases change faster than Aurax's.

----- Aurax takes 8 days to move from WaNing Crescent to New Moon.

----- Cirion takes 4 days to move from WaXing Gibbous to Full Moon; Cirion takes 3 days to move from WaNing Gibbous to WaNing Crescent.

----- Aurax's New Moon is 24 hours long.

----- Cirion's Full Moon is 24 hours long. New Moon Phase is unconfirmed to be 24 hours long.

----- Cirion skips both First and Last Quarter Phases. Aurax skips Last Quarter phase, but is unconfirmed to skip First Quarter phase.

 

Aug 29, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DragonCave (DC) to Sep 01, 2015 @ 7:59 PM EST/DC.

Aurax: Waning Gibbous

Cirion: Waning Crescent

CB Lunar eggs are Gold.

 

Sep 01, 2015 starting 8:00 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning Crescent*

Cirion: New*

CB Lunar eggs change from Gold to Bronze.

- The Gold egg drop lasted about 3 days and 17 hours.

* = TJ's post doesn't mention a phase change at the same time the new color drops, but we know the color change happened here. So, we assume the phase changed happened here too.

 

Sep 02, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning Crescent

Cirion: New

CB Lunar eggs are Bronze.

 

Sep 03, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DC to Sep 05, 2015 @ 7:59 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning Crescent**

Cirion: Waxing Crescent**

CB Lunar eggs are Bronze, and Bred Lunar eggs are Bronze.

** Exact time of change Unknown.

 

Sep 05, 2015 starting @ 8:00 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning crescent

Cirion: Waxing Gibbous

CB Lunar eggs have changed from Bronze to Blue/Indigo, and Bred Lunar eggs have changed from Bronze to Blue/Indigo.

- The Bronze egg drop lasted about 4 days.

 

Sep 05, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DC to Sep 09, 2015 @ 7:59 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning crescent

Cirion: Waxing Gibbous

CB Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo, and Bred Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo.

 

Sep 09, 2015 starting 8:00 PM EST/DC to Sep 10, 2015 @ 7:59 PM EST/DC

Aurax: New

Cirion: Full

CB Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo, and Bred Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo.

 

Sep 10, 2015 starting 8:00 PM EST/DC to Sept 13, 2015 @ 7:59 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waxing Crescent

Cirion: Waning Gibbous

CB Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo, and Bred Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo.

 

Sep 13, 2015 starting @ 8:00 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waxing Crescent

Cirion: Waning Crescent

CB Lunar eggs have changed from Blue/Indigo to Bronze, and Bred Lunar eggs have changed from Blue/Indigo to Bronze.

- The Blue/Indigo egg drop lasted about 8 days.

 

Sep 14, 2015 starting @ 12:00 AM EST/DC

Aurax: Waxing Crescent

Cirion: Waning Crescent

CB Lunar eggs are Bronze, and Bred Lunar eggs are Bronze.

[Edited by Shokomon]

- Note: The Moon Phases TJ posted were Phases of the moon at 12:00 AM EST of their respective date. That is why the post doesn't match up with the color change.

- We can assume that on Sept 1, 2015, the phases changed at 8:00 PM EST/DC, where Aurax shifted Waning Gibbous to Waning Cresent, and Cirion from Waning Cresent to New Moon.

 

- There are many theories on how the eggs will come and when, including, but not limited to:

  • 1) Certain eggs being available during different phases of the moons in general, under the assumption that the moons are in synch, and will share the same moon phases.

2) Certain eggs being avaliable relative to the different phases of each moon (assuming the moons are NOT in synch) and overlap between both moons' phases.

3) One moon's phases controlling cave-born colors and the other moon's phases controlling bred colors.

4) Certain Lunar eggs colors are linked to Aurax, and the other colors are linked to Cirion.

5) Gold is the CB color, and the others could be Bred colors.

6) The Lunar egg colors are based on what percentage of the moons are illuminated. If one moon is greater than 50% illuminated (gibbous to full), while the other moon is less than 50% illuminated (crescent to new), then Lunar eggs are the color of the dominant moon. If both moons are equal in illumination, other colors show up.

7) The Lunar Herald egg colors will come in a linear fashion (aka all the colors in a row.) For example, Gold --> Bronze --> Blue --> Silver --> Gold --> Repeat.

8) The Lunar Herald eggs colors will NOT come in a linear fashion, and there are possible periods where a color or two do not show up for extended periods of time, despite the other colors showing up. For example, Gold --> Bronze --> Blue --> Bronze --> Gold --> Silver --> Bronze --> Continue.

- Exactly which moon phase produces what eggs, which moon controls breeding and caveborn colors, and which colors are associated with which moon are up for debate.

- The Lunar Heralds' description has given some support to Theories 1, 2, and 6.

- The newest phase change, recent egg colors, and TJ's correctional post seems to support Theory 2, 6, and 8.

 

- There are also theories about the DC lunar cycle itself, including, but not limited to:

  • 1) The Moons are in synch and share phases.

2) The Moons are NOT in synch, and occasionally have overlapping phases.

3) The DC Lunar cycle is equivalent to Earth's Lunar cycle, and the current phase will change in at  most a week.

4) The DC Lunar cycles are NOT equivalent to Earth's Lunar cycle, and the current phases may last longer or shorter than a week.

- And there more theories on the size of the moons, their relative speeds, their distance from Valkemare, and the list goes on.

- As of the most recent phase change and TJ's correctional post, the Valkemare's moon phases are not in synch͵ supporting Theory 2.

- As of the most recent phase change and TJ's correctional post, the Valkemare's moon phases are not in alignment with Earth's, supporting Theory 4.

 

- LadyLyzar will tells us more about the dragons, once we start getting adults.

- TJ stated that the orbits of Valkemare's moons are close to circular, and the centre of mass would be close to the planet as it is much larger in size.

--- (Sorry for the confusion here! I completely misinterpreted what TJ posted. Thank you pinkgothic for making a much more accurate summary statement.)

- LadyLyzar seems to hint that the Lunar Heralds may have been initially intended to be prize dragons, and later states that they were made at the same time as the Shimmers.

- LadyLyzar confirms that the 2nd and 3rd set of wings are in fact illusions. Only the top ones are real and that it is not motion illusion.

- LadyLyzar has given us information on the Adults!

- LadyLyzar is giving us a pretty Gold Lunar Herald avatar to match her own avatar. She'll give us the Bronze avatar once we start getting adults.

--- She has given us the Bronze Herald Avatar! And now the Indigo Lunar Herald Avatar!

- LadyLyzar states that Lunar Heralds do indeed have metallic scales, but she didn't intend for them to be classified as "metallic dragons" like Golds and Silvers. As they were originally intended to be prizes, she wanted to make them shiny and pretty.

- LadyLyzar does not call the "blue" Lunar eggs "Indigos;" She just states that the "blues" are indigo in color as indigo is her favorite color, which makes sense as the "blue" lunar was meant to be her Alt. She later has reaffirmed this, stating that there is no official name for the "blue" Lunars and that they really are just indigo in color as they were to be her alt were these dragons to be chosen as prize dragons.

-LadyLyzar states that the element for the Lunar Heralds had not been planned out, and that she would put them as "Light" element.

- LadyLyzar states that the Lunar Heralds were retooled after the Shimmers were chosen for prizes, and while the moon phases work a little different than she expected, it's not complicated, and we will figure it out eventually. She won't tell us anything about the mechanic though.

 

- The description for the Lunar Heralds has been updated from this:

Lunar Heralds are deeply attuned to the two moons of Valkemare, Aurax and Cirion. Strictly nocturnal, they draw energy from moonlight and will only hunt when the moons have waned. When breeding, the amount of moonlight the parents receive from each moon will determine the color of the egg produced.

- To this:

Lunar Heralds are deeply attuned to the two moons of Valkemare, Aurax and Cirion. Strictly nocturnal, they draw energy from moonlight and will only hunt when the moons have waned. When breeding, the amount of moonlight the parents receive from each moon will determine the color of the egg produced. When a Lunar Herald is struck by direct moonlight, an illusion of multiple wings may appear. Witnessing a Lunar Herald’s illusory wings is commonly believed to be a sign of good fortune.

Threads!

- Lunar Herald Breeding and Naming

- DC Moon Watch and Lunar Herald Theories

-  What's Your Favourite Lunar Herald?, Vote away! smile.gif

 

Documents!

- DC Moon Watch & Lunar Egg Tracking

 

And, I think that's it for the summary.

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I've been enjoying this release, and while I do hope it doesn't rule out a September one, I feel like a hybrid or pygmy/two-head/drake could still be worked in without too much trouble.

 

Excited for the Silver ones though~

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I'm with Lantean_Pegasus on this one, too. If you have followed this thread at all, it didn't take that long to figure out just when you needed to have space open for a new color. And if you didn't have the space just as the new eggs started you still had plenty of chance. I was away without internet for the first two days of the first bronze drop. Guess what? I still had almost all the bronze eggs I needed before the blue ones started dropping. And I have a scroll goal of four pairs of each new sprite!

 

I have been able to go back to breeding other things since my blue ones hatched, figuring that if the predictions were right about the silvers I had plenty of time. And if the predictions were wrong I could still pick up the eggs once those bred eggs hatched!

This - and I have to say, I love the new Heralds - but I also love that I've been able to finally catch some Xenos and other uncommons on my own. Before this release, I had a really hard time with the Xenos because I completely missed the initial drop.

 

I love that the Herald's release has been kind of easy. Yes, we have the 'brain teaser' portion and the first day of the Bronze drop was challenging - but we've all been really able to catch our fill of each color. I am glad to have some variation in types of rotational dragons... I love that the Seasonals change -but that only happens 4 times a year. This is great because it happens several times a month.

 

I do get why people are frustrated. I'm spending far more time on the site than normal and I really, really want those silvers! The good news is that, according to the most popular theory, the new eggs drop around the 21st so you only have another week or so left (counting catching/hatching time). We're almost through it and then life can return to normal.

 

Also - for those upset about the potential to not get new eggs between now and March - remember, TJ has dropped new eggs in October before (outside of Halloween) - the Harvests, for example were an early October release and we still had the Halloween release that year. He may choose to do that yet. If he does, I hope it is a nice and simple one or two egg release (or a Hybrid or new BSA would be cool too!).

 

Speculations aside, I'm happy with this release and so glad the Silvers will be here soon. Since I have my goal of CB Golds - I'll be concentrating on other things if those do drop tonight. I love that I'm not stressed about it because normally, I would be.

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I love this release, and I love that we have to figure out its mechanics. It's nice to learn something new about the in-game world instead of simply collecting sprites.

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I love this release, and I love that we have to figure out its mechanics. It's nice to learn something new about the in-game world instead of simply collecting sprites.

Same! I love getting involved in the story of the DC world.

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