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I actually like that the blues are dropping longer and I hope the bronze and golds drop again so I can get the last ones I need to finish my four CB pair goal before the silvers drop. =3

 

And my blues finally gendered so I could name a couple! <3

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Slightly Off Topic - Double suns and multiple moons are actually more the norm in our Universe, scientists are discovering. Our solar system is very rare in that respect, and our planet even more so.

 

Back on Topic - Debating whether or not to try for more blues, seeing as how they are still being requested in the trades a lot. Not to keep but for trade. Decisions decisions......

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Sorry, I haven't posted the summary in a bit! Been busy all day.

- Eggs are still very much blue.

- LadyLyzar has given us the Indigo Lunar Herald Avatar!

- Please tell me if I missed anything!

 

A CURRENT SUMMARY OF WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE MOON AND EGGS:

(For everybody who was late to the party and/or wants updates)

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- We have Beautiful pseudo-six-winged Lunar Heralds, the former prize breed, moon-loving dragons!

- Currently, Aurax (Gold Moon) and Cirion (Blue Moon) are still in the WaXing Crescent and WaNing Gibbous phases respectively.

- Everyone is still catching Blue/Indigo eggs in the Cave! No change in color!

- We have Adult dragons, and we are breeding Blue/Indigo Lunar eggs. No change in color!

- The eggs are found in the Alpine, Desert, and Volcano Biomes. (Think places where the sky is easily seen.)

- So far, Gold, Bronze, and Blue/Indigo eggs have dropped in the Cave! Bronze and Blue/Indigo eggs have been bred.

 

- Info on the current moon phase can be accessed from the Time page, which you can get to by clicking the clock in the top right hand corner of the new Standard DC skin, by going to the Help page and clicking Time Reference link, by going to the first page in this thread and clicking the link in the banner, OR by clicking the 3 above links embedded in this post.

- As of Sept 05, 2015 @ ~9:00PM, Indigo Lunar eggs began dropping en masse! Go and grab them!!!

 

- No one had been tracking the moons until now, so we have no idea how quickly they change. So, we cannot accurately predict what eggs will come when.

- That means no one knows how to get the other egg colors until the other moon phases come and the lunar cycle completes itself.

- There is a possibility that the release started in the middle of the Waning Gibbous phase for Aurax and Waning Crescent phase for Cirion.

 

- IMPORTANT: All data before 09/03/13, 1:56 PM was incorrect as the time page was showing Aurax's phase for BOTH moons. TJ has provided a corrected cycle in his post.

- This does NOT affect the information gathered on the eggs, just the moon phases the eggs were caught/bred under.

 

- The cycle has progressed, and so far we know: (Cycle Post taken and modified from TJ's post)

 

--- Based on current data, it seems that Cirion's phases change faster than Aurax's.

----- Aurax takes 8 days to move from WaNing Crescent to New Moon.

----- Cirion takes 4 days to move from WaXing Gibbous to Full Moon.

----- Aurax's New Moon is 24 hours long.

----- Cirion's Full Moon is 24 hours long. New Moon Phase is unconfirmed to be 24 hours long.

 

Aug 29, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DragonCave (DC) to Sep 01, 2015 @ 7:59 PM EST/DC.

Aurax: Waning Gibbous

Cirion: Waning Crescent

CB Lunar eggs are Gold.

 

Sep 01, 2015 starting 8:00 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning Crescent*

Cirion: New*

CB Lunar eggs change from Gold to Bronze.

- The Gold egg drop lasted about 3 days and 17 hours.

* = TJ's post doesn't mention a phase change at the same time the new color drops, but we know the color change happened here. So, we assume the phase changed happened here too.

 

Sep 02, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning Crescent

Cirion: New

CB Lunar eggs are Bronze.

 

Sep 03, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DC to Sep 05, 2015 @ 7:59 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning Crescent**

Cirion: Waxing Crescent**

CB Lunar eggs are Bronze, and Bred Lunar eggs are Bronze.

** Exact time of change Unknown.

 

Sep 05, 2015 starting @ 8:00 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning crescent

Cirion: Waxing Gibbous

CB Lunar eggs have changed from Bronze to Blue/Indigo, and Bred Lunar eggs have changed from Bronze to Blue/Indigo.

- The Bronze egg drop lasted about 4 days.

 

Sep 05, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DC to Sep 09, 2015 @ 7:59 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waning crescent

Cirion: Waxing Gibbous

CB Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo, and Bred Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo.

 

Sep 09, 2015 starting 8:00 PM EST/DC

Aurax: New

Cirion: Full

CB Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo, and Bred Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo.

 

Sep 10, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DC to 7:59 PM EST/DC

Aurax: New

Cirion: Full

CB Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo, and Bred Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo.

 

Sep 10, 2015 starting 8:00 PM EST/DC

Aurax: Waxing Crescent

Cirion: Waning Gibbous

CB Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo, and Bred Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo.

 

Sep 11, 2015 @ 12:00 AM EST/DC

Aurax: Waxing Crescent

Cirion: Waning Gibbous

CB Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo, and Bred Lunar eggs are Blue/Indigo.

[Edited by Shokomon]

- Note: The Moon Phases TJ posted were Phases of the moon at 12:00 AM EST of their respective date. That is why the post doesn't match up with the color change.

- We can assume that on Sept 1, 2015, the phases changed at 8:00 PM EST/DC, where Aurax shifted Waning Gibbous to Waning Cresent, and Cirion from Waning Cresent to New Moon.

 

- There are many theories on how the eggs will come and when, including, but not limited to:

  • 1) Certain eggs being available during different phases of the moons in general, under the assumption that the moons are in synch, and will share the same moon phases.

2) Certain eggs being avaliable relative to the different phases of each moon (assuming the moons are NOT in synch) and overlap between both moons' phases.

3) One moon's phases controlling cave-born colors and the other moon's phases controlling bred colors.

4) Certain Lunar eggs colors are linked to Aurax, and the other colors are linked to Cirion.

5) Gold is the CB color, and the others could be Bred colors.

6) The Lunar egg colors are based on what percentage of the moons are illuminated. If one moon is greater than 50% illuminated (gibbous to full), while the other moon is less than 50% illuminated (crescent to new), then Lunar eggs are the color of the dominant moon. If both moons are equal in illumination, other colors show up.

7) The Lunar Herald egg colors will come in a linear fashion (aka all the colors in a row.) For example, Gold --> Bronze --> Blue --> Silver --> Gold --> Repeat.

8) The Lunar Herald eggs colors will NOT come in a linear fashion, and there are possible periods where a color or two do not show up for extended periods of time, despite the other colors showing up. For example, Gold --> Bronze --> Blue --> Bronze --> Gold --> Silver --> Bronze --> Repeat.

- Exactly which moon phase produces what eggs, which moon controls breeding and caveborn colors, and which colors are associated with which moon are up for debate.

- The Lunar Heralds' description has given some support to Theories 1, 2, and 6.

- The newest phase change, recent egg colors, and TJ's correctional post seems to support Theory 2, 6, and 9.

 

- There are also theories about the DC lunar cycle itself, including, but not limited to:

  • 1) The Moons are in synch and share phases.

2) The Moons are NOT in synch, and occasionally have overlapping phases.

3) The DC Lunar cycle is equivalent to Earth's Lunar cycle, and the current phase will change in at  most a week.

4) The DC Lunar cycles are NOT equivalent to Earth's Lunar cycle, and the current phases may last longer or shorter than a week.

- And there more theories on the size of the moons, their relative speeds, their distance from Valkemare, and the list goes on.

- As of the most recent phase change and TJ's correctional post, the Valkemare's moon phases are not in synch͵ supporting Theory 2.

- As of the most recent phase change and TJ's correctional post, the Valkemare's moon phases are not in alignment with Earth's, supporting Theory 4.

 

- LadyLyzar will tells us more about the dragons, once we start getting adults.

- TJ stated that the orbits of Valkemare's moons are close to circular, and the centre of mass would be close to the planet as it is much larger in size.

--- (Sorry for the confusion here! I completely misinterpreted what TJ posted. Thank you pinkgothic for making a much more accurate summary statement.)

- LadyLyzar seems to hint that the Lunar Heralds may have been initially intended to be prize dragons, and later states that they were made at the same time as the Shimmers.

- LadyLyzar confirms that the 2nd and 3rd set of wings are in fact illusions. Only the top ones are real and that it is not motion illusion.

- LadyLyzar has given us information on the Adults!

- LadyLyzar is giving us a pretty Gold Lunar Herald avatar to match her own avatar. She'll give us the Bronze avatar once we start getting adults.

--- She has given us the Bronze Herald Avatar! And now the Indigo Lunar Herald Avatar!

- LadyLyzar states that Lunar Heralds do indeed have metallic scales, but she didn't intend for them to be classified as "metallic dragons" like Golds and Silvers. As they were originally intended to be prizes, she wanted to make them shiny and pretty.

- LadyLyzar does not call the "blue" Lunar eggs "Indigos;" She just states that the "blues" are indigo in color as indigo is her favorite color, which makes sense as the "blue" lunar was meant to be her Alt. She later has reaffirmed this, stating that there is no official name for the "blue" Lunars and that they really are just indigo in color as they were to be her alt were these dragons to be chosen as prize dragons.

-LadyLyzar states that the element for the Lunar Heralds had not been planned out, and that she would put them as "Light" element.

- LadyLyzar states that the Lunar Heralds were retooled after the Shimmers were chosen for prizes, and while the moon phases work a little different than she expected, it's not complicated, and we will figure it out eventually. She won't tell us anything about the mechanic though.

 

- The description for the Lunar Heralds has been updated from this:

Lunar Heralds are deeply attuned to the two moons of Valkemare, Aurax and Cirion. Strictly nocturnal, they draw energy from moonlight and will only hunt when the moons have waned. When breeding, the amount of moonlight the parents receive from each moon will determine the color of the egg produced.

- To this:

Lunar Heralds are deeply attuned to the two moons of Valkemare, Aurax and Cirion. Strictly nocturnal, they draw energy from moonlight and will only hunt when the moons have waned. When breeding, the amount of moonlight the parents receive from each moon will determine the color of the egg produced. When a Lunar Herald is struck by direct moonlight, an illusion of multiple wings may appear. Witnessing a Lunar Herald’s illusory wings is commonly believed to be a sign of good fortune.

Threads!

- Lunar Herald Breeding and Naming

- DC Moon Watch and Lunar Herald Theories

 

Documents!

- DC Moon Watch & Lunar Egg Tracking

 

And, I think that's it for the summary.

 

Edit: Adding more theories.

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Anyone going to grab a CB Lunar (or breed, i guess) at 8pm DC-time just to see? Just in case these theories are wrong?

 

I have 3 CB bronzes that I haven't bred. And 4 blue adults that I just realized adulted! Yay! .... This means I'll probably do some breeding. Soon. Ish.

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The Golds were here for slightly under 4 days, and the Bronzes were here for 4. The current theory is that the Indigos will be here for 8 days in total, then Bronzes for another 4, Golds for another 4, and finally Silvers for 8.

 

 

 

I'm not very awake and my brain definitely isn't working so I'm probably talking through my hat again, (I don't actually have a hat, so maybe we could just postulate one for the purpose?) but if Silvers are supposed to come AFTER Golds in the second cycle during a 28-day period, there's a lot more rotation among the Dropping of various colours than I previously gathered...

 

Might that not imply that IF Silver Drops for 8 days straight, (in example, theoretically between the 2nd Bronze and Gold) this could potentially be with Gold also Dropping for 8 days at a time afterward, (with us having caught the last half of the Gold period at the beginning of this Release,) unlike the Blue and Bronze in alternating reversed pattern, IF a steady and equal-time rotation of each colour every 28 days is the case? (As it may well not be, but some rotating cycle which makes both of my brain cells orbit my head in an erratic manner, but since they were doing that anyway... laugh.gif )

 

 

Edit: I also evidently can't count - IF these colours all drop for a total of 8 days each cycle, I will definitely have to follow a calendar made by someone else to sort this out on a monthly basis, as it so very obviously isn't a 28 day cycle anyway... Need COFFEEEEE!

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We don't think it's a 28 day cycle. Time will tell for sure.

 

I'm planning on something calendar-ish in my sig. Something simple such as "The moons are at X and Y. Z color lunars are dropping." There may be other plans as well but not for sure yet.

 

Unfortunately I haven't been able to find a method for my sig that will update daily automatically so I don't have to keep changing the graphic manually. Anyone know of anything that could help?

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Anyone going to grab a CB Lunar (or breed, i guess) at 8pm DC-time just to see? Just in case these theories are wrong?

I'm just going to breed one of my pairs real quick and post the results here for you guys to know smile.gif

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I don't understand the reasoning behind why silver won't be next.

 

 

We've already established that waning gibbous = gold, waning crescent = bronze, and waxing crescent = blue. The next in the sequence is waxing gibbous, moon cycles do not skip a phase like that unless the moon decides to randomly go backwards, which does not happen. It's a CYCLE, which means it goes in a repeated circle, and there's still one last phase we haven't seen... waxing gibbous and therefore silvers.

 

 

Where are people getting that bronze would be next?

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I'm not very awake and my brain definitely isn't working so I'm probably talking through my hat again, (I don't actually have a hat, so maybe we could just postulate one for the purpose?) but if Silvers are supposed to come AFTER Golds in the second cycle during a 28-day period, there's a lot more rotation among the Dropping of various colours than I previously gathered...

 

Might that not imply that IF Silver Drops for 8 days straight, (in example, theoretically between the 2nd Bronze and Gold) this could potentially be with Gold also Dropping for 8 days at a time afterward, (with us having caught the last half of the Gold period at the beginning of this Release,) unlike the Blue and Bronze in alternating reversed pattern, IF a steady and equal-time rotation of each colour every 28 days is the case? (As it may well not be, but some rotating cycle which makes both of my brain cells orbit my head in an erratic manner, but since they were doing that anyway...  laugh.gif )

 

 

Edit: I also evidently can't count - IF these colours all drop for a total of 8 days each cycle, I will definitely have to follow a calendar made by someone else to sort this out on a monthly basis, as it so very obviously isn't a 28 day cycle anyway... Need COFFEEEEE!

 

If Cirion is exactly twice as fast as Aurax, you'd expect all colours to drop the same number of days, but with two colour sets halved and the other two in a block.

 

Here's a simplified, generalised chart:

 

Moon A Phase 1 & Moon B Phase 1 <-- colour two

Moon A Phase 1 & Moon B Phase 2 <-- colour one

Moon A Phase 2 & Moon B Phase 3 (like 2) <-- colour three

Moon A Phase 2 & Moon B Phase 4 (like 1) <-- colour four

Moon A Phase 3 (like 2) & Moon B Phase 1 <-- colour four

Moon A Phase 3 (like 2) & Moon B Phase 2 <-- colour three

Moon A Phase 4 (like 1) & Moon B Phase 3 (like 2) <-- colour one

Moon A Phase 4 (like 1) & Moon B Phase 4 (like 1) <-- colour two

 

Basically, the way the moons interact if they're in a 2:1 relation causes there to be a specific colour progression - ramping down on one end, ramping up on the other.

 

It's like making rainbow paper strips with equal colour blocks on them, but then rather than arranging them in a strictly recurring pattern, turning each second paper strip around. That makes the colours on the ends of the colour strips 'twice as long', but all in all you have the same amount of colour for each of the colours.

 

(In our case, silver and blue are at the end of the colour progression.)

 

Edit:

 

Some visualisation:

 

user posted image

Edited by pinkgothic

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well... bad luck... ok... I can catch something... I think so... AAAAA i dont know what to do anymore lol

 

Should we wait or start hunting again? unsure.gif

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Slightly Off Topic - Double suns and multiple moons are actually more the norm in our Universe, scientists are discovering. Our solar system is very rare in that respect, and our planet even more so.

 

Back on Topic - Debating whether or not to try for more blues, seeing as how they are still being requested in the trades a lot. Not to keep but for trade. Decisions decisions......

True, but afaik very few multi-star systems have planets because of how hard it is to have a stable orbit in that situation. I think the only orbits possible are like right next to the parent star (probably outside the habitable zone) or very far from both (DEFINITELY outside the habitable zone).

 

Multiple moons (or even "is a moon") are fairly common among all planets, though, probably including superEarths (which Tj has indicated the DC planet is).

 

Anyway: kind of disappointed that it's still blue, but I didn't expect anything else.

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well... bad luck... ok... I can catch something... I think so... AAAAA i dont know what to do anymore lol

 

Should we wait or start hunting again? unsure.gif

I've been waiting three days, I personally am going to start hunting and breeding like usual again.

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I don't understand the reasoning behind why silver won't be next.

 

 

We've already established that waning gibbous = gold, waning crescent = bronze, and waxing crescent = blue. The next in the sequence is waxing gibbous, moon cycles do not skip a phase like that unless the moon decides to randomly go backwards, which does not happen. It's a CYCLE, which means it goes in a repeated circle, and there's still one last phase we haven't seen... waxing gibbous and therefore silvers.

 

 

Where are people getting that bronze would be next?

You are only looking at one moon. Valkemare has two. Here's the phase and colour combinations we know so far:

 

Gold

Aurax waning gibbous & Cirion waning crescent

 

Bronze

Aurax waning crescent & Cirion new moon

Aurax waning crescent & Cirion waxing crescent

 

Blue

Aurax waning crescent & Cirion waxing gibbous

Aurax new moon & Cirion full moon

Aurax waxing crescent & Cirion waning gibbous

 

As you can see, we had Golds when Aurax - the golden moon - was at her brightest. Brown came with them both being in the waning or new moon phases, when the light was lowest. Cirion - the blue moon - approaching her brightest triggered the blue eggs. Now the current theory is that we won't get silvers until both moons are in a gibbous/full moon phase at the same time.

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I don't understand the reasoning behind why silver won't be next.

 

 

We've already established that waning gibbous = gold, waning crescent = bronze, and waxing crescent = blue. The next in the sequence is waxing gibbous, moon cycles do not skip a phase like that unless the moon decides to randomly go backwards, which does not happen. It's a CYCLE, which means it goes in a repeated circle, and there's still one last phase we haven't seen... waxing gibbous and therefore silvers.

 

 

Where are people getting that bronze would be next?

If you are a visual person, I suggest looking at the chart created by RubyEyes:

http://thedragonlayer.proboards.com/thread/3675/moon-phases

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Why do I feel like we are NEVER going to get the Silvers? -.-

It'll probably happen just before Halloween breeding starts. Just to really censorkip.gif folks off.

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If Cirion is exactly twice as fast as Aurax, you'd expect all colours to drop the same number of days, but with two colour sets halved and the other two in a block.

 

Here's a simplified, generalised chart:

 

Moon A Phase 1 & Moon B Phase 1 <-- colour two

Moon A Phase 1 & Moon B Phase 2 <-- colour one

Moon A Phase 2 & Moon B Phase 3 (like 2) <-- colour three

Moon A Phase 2 & Moon B Phase 4 (like 1) <-- colour four

Moon A Phase 3 (like 2) & Moon B Phase 1 <-- colour four

Moon A Phase 3 (like 2) & Moon B Phase 2 <-- colour three

Moon A Phase 4 (like 1) & Moon B Phase 3 (like 2) <-- colour one

Moon A Phase 4 (like 1) & Moon B Phase 4 (like 1) <-- colour two

 

Basically, the way the moons interact if they're in a 2:1 relation causes there to be a specific colour progression - ramping down on one end, ramping up on the other.

 

It's like making rainbow paper strips with equal colour blocks on them, but then rather than arranging them in a strictly recurring pattern, turning each second paper strip around. That makes the colours on the ends of the colour strips 'twice as long', but all in all you have the same amount of colour for each of the colours.

 

(In our case, silver and blue are at the end of the colour progression.)

 

 

 

 

Thanks! smile.gif

 

I have some health issues which are worse at some times than others and which are definitely affecting my ability to process information, and it's annoying as heck.

 

I got (even more, lol) confused with the concept that Silver would be at the end of the current repeat of an assumed cycle of 4 colours ultimately Dropping for a total of 8 days each when we started with Gold and have not yet had Silver, especially with the theory of Gold Dropping in an 8-day Block at the start of this cycle, when we came in potentially half-way through it.

 

But of course this was assuming a stable cycle and I honestly feel as though my head was stuffed with so much cement that the rocks no longer rattle, so am simply not capable of following the suggested permutations at this time.

 

I'm certainly grateful to those doing (edit: all) of this work and patient explanation to those of us in the peanut gallery getting rather lost, lol.

 

*goes for 2nd cup of coffee to see if it helps*

 

 

 

Edit: and many thanks to NotBambi for posting this wonderful resource, created by sheer genius:

 

'If you are a visual person, I suggest looking at the chart created by RubyEyes:

http://thedragonlayer.proboards.com/thread/3675/moon-phases '

Edited by Syphoneira

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It'll probably happen just before Halloween breeding starts. Just to really censorkip.gif folks off.

Yes, THAT would fairly toast my O's! Stop giving TJ evil ideas! So bummed we have no Silvers yet.

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