Regular Non-Dragon Egg Group Breed Releases

[dragongrrl]

Do you have to call them NS dragons? NS has some very bad connotations in my mind, as it's been used for NationalSocialism for ages.

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't think calling them non-standard dragons is bad in any way, but "NS" is already taken. NSDAP, NS regime...

This will be my only reply to any part of this side issue I inadvertantly raised, but I think this needs to be said publicly to lay the entire issue to rest. I want to apologise to Marrionetta, since sidetracking was not my intent, as I said in my original post on the issue. I do want to say though, that the other designation for these dragons is as offensive to me as the other label seems to be to Olympe.

 

Calling a group of dragons "non-dragons" smacks of the worst of what hate groups have done, and the current letter combination makes me think of the 6-letter American n-word every time I see it, one of the historic attempts to declare a group of people to be "non-humans." I do not like that letter combination, or what it stands for, and will not use it.

 

My apologies to Olympe, although I did not originate the abbreviation used in the thread and only used it in one post. I have removed it. There is a different term for them here, a four letter word, and I do understand your feeling on this issue. For me, I am far more likely to think of the NSS, which is the National Speleological Society, or maybe the regional abbreviation for Nova Scotia, since I have known a lot of geologists and speleologists, and have done a LOT of genealogy.

 

'Nuff said. Let's get back to the plans for the atypically breeding dragons. <3

[Pixxelation]

IEGS? Individual Egg Groups Species?

SEGS? Separate Egg Group Species?

(I still prefer NSEGs, so I'm going to continue to use that for the time being)

 

Honestly though, there doesn't have to be this much drama over tiny acronyms. Sure, non-dragon isn't exactly accurate, so disliking that is reasonable, but it's practically impossible to create an acronym that doesn't have anything in common with something else, or something with negative connotations.

 

For example, on one website, GB is used to abbreviate the Golden Beetles currency, yet GB is often used to refer to gigabyte capacity of hard drives.

 

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For the people who dislike the current drakes/two-heads/pygmies for reasons separate from disliking the idea behind the actual subspecies, I think increasing the frequency of releases would actually benefit you--the more NSEGs released, the higher the chances of one being released that you are fond of.

 

Personally, I look forward to the possibility of a large increase in NSEGs because it would increase variety and make it more appealing to craft lineages with them.

Edited June 6, 2015 by PieMaster

[olympe]

Well, calling these things NSDs would be just fine - or simply spell it out as Non-Standard Dragons, whichever.

 

@dragongrrl: I'm not offended by the term, I'm just not very fond of it. Besides, it might raise flags with certain secret services that we don't want to raise.

[Ribombee]

@Olympe: I'm pretty sure that if NS flagged the secret service, they'd be able to tell that we aren't talking about socialism. All abbreviations can mean something else, often something bad. Even in DC, NDEG could stand for "neglected dragon even gen". LOL! All abbreviations are contextual.

 

Eeh, not sure how I feel.

 

For the most part, I hate Pygmies. I don't like them, the sprites are usually too tiny, and the ones we have are..."meh" at the least.

 

I only like two of the sprites for the two headed dragons, but so far I like those more than pygmies.

 

Buh, I know it's just my opinion, but honestly I don't care if we do or don't get these breeds often. Though, I prefer anything over pygmies. Literally anything. >.< And quite a few people I speak to feel the same, so at least I don't feel too alone with my feelings of indifference on this topic. X.x

Conversely, there are people who love some of the other types. I don't like dinos. I collected the sprites for completion sake, but they're too cartoony for me. That doesn't mean I feel it's my right to say the dinos on the completed list should never be released. Most (if not all?) the replies in this thread have suggested releasing the other types alongside regular dragons. That's a perfectly fair compromise, I feel, which allows those who dislike certain types to still have something to collect each release. Just as it isn't fair for those who love the other types to request nothing but those, it isn't fair for those who hate other types to infer they would like to not have them released at all.

Edited June 6, 2015 by harlequinraven

[FiveSix]

I made a topic for those who want to discuss what we're calling these things :3

[Marrionetta]

I made a topic for those who want to discuss what we're calling these things :3

Bless you. Thank you.

[Thuban]

I would like to see an official (non holiday) rare of each type happen, to help encourage people to collect them more. More colors/variety of them are needed to make them more interesting for people to collect.

[Cinnamin Draconna]

Rares, uncommons or commons... I just want to see MORE of them.

[Lurhstaap]

More of them, please. More basic colors and more fancy neat ones and rare ones. All of them are needed. If we're going to have separate 'egg groups' then we should try to make them all equivalently attractive. That doesn't mean having equal numbers of sprites in each group but it does mean a lot more non-standards than we currently have.

[silverstreak12]

More of them, please. More basic colors and more fancy neat ones and rare ones. All of them are needed. If we're going to have separate 'egg groups' then we should try to make them all equivalently attractive. That doesn't mean having equal numbers of sprites in each group but it does mean a lot more non-standards than we currently have.

i echo this very much

[Terces]

I agree with Lurhstaap too. I feel that the small number and variety of non-standard dragons hurts their popularity. I know the reason I don't collect many and rarely breed them is due to that. I don't mind if they are released in addition to a standard dragon or if it's just them like the last release was.

 

Standards have so many sprites including holidays, commons, rares, prizes and everything in between - it seems a little sad that non-standards are lacking. Now that I'm thinking about it, that's especially true for the holiday part. Makes me feel bad for the people who love Drakes and Two-heads and are left out in the cold every holiday, not having any holiday Drakes/Two-heads to produce and little hope of seeing their favorite species get one. Even for Pygmy breeders, they only have Pumpkins and only at Halloween. If standard dragon sprites are your favorite, you are covered for every holiday and you even got multiple different ones to collect! Plus you'll get a shiny new one at each holiday release drop.

 

The more I think about it the more depressing it gets. 1+ for more Drakes, Two-heads and Pygmies of all kinds!

[olympe]

I guess, regarding holidays, that TJ can only release what he gets submitted. If nobody submits a two-headed Halloween, he can't release it. (And, incidentally, I think that two-headeds are perfect for Halloween, they have the potential to be so scary.)

[Ha-Ki]

I love pygmies and I'd like to see more of them released.

 

In general, I think getting a full color palette for each breeding group would help a great deal in building lineages and making those breeds more popular. I also strongly support a non-standard dragon holiday release.

[djengis]

I'm all for mixing them in with the regular releases, preferably 1 every month.

The reason they are impopulair , is because theres not much options to breed them with.

I'm for more Holidays of those breeds and also for rares of those breeds, like Metallics.

 

[Vhale]

It's a vicious cycle. People don't want them because of the lack of options. Why sprite something that might not get released for years? Better to try your luck with a regular release.

I'd also add that blacks and whites work well as uncommons. They are easy to coordinate with and work with any color. But if uncommon, won't overwhelm the AP. See Trios, Nebulas.

[Gryphonic]

I would definitely like to see a lot more breeds of each type, including rares. As Vhale said, it's a cycle of few options - less interest - less likely to release more. I think we'd need to have a lot of drake/two-headed/pygmy releases alongside regular ones before NSEG breeders will be happy.

 

I have several ideas for dragons I've begun drafting, and a few nights ago I toyed with changing several of them to drakes/pygmies/etc to have more potential releases. I suppose it'd be too much trouble to make a sub-sub-forum for NSEG submissions....although someone could make a master thread that links all of them for quick reference.

[Sundew]

I think a lot of this depends on the spriters. People need to make more NDEGs to show the need for increased demand. This topic will help, but I think it's up to the artists and conceptors to really pull this together.

 

That said, I totally want more minority dragons and will now work feverishly on new concepts (especially Drakes I love Drakes).