Posted April 13, 2015 I just experienced a weird case of the site not accepting a totally appropriate name. It is a quote from a movie and was to be split between the male and the femal of a pair: Father: And let this day be cursed by we Mother: who ready to wake the Kraken To my surprise, the site rejected the mother's name. It took me a while to find out that - probably - the site ignored the space in the name and rejected it because parts of two different words spell who ready. Can name censoring be improved, please? It should not include parts of two individual words, and I had to write 'who - ready', which looks outright stupid. Share this post Link to post
Posted April 13, 2015 Personally, I think the censor should be limited to 'obvious' words and leave the rest to be determined on a case by case basis. If that won't work, just remove the censor altogether and let folk report inappropriate names individually. It's better to let a few little things slip thru, than to add more and more things to the censor. Eventually, you wind up with everything censored and nothing allowed. Share this post Link to post
Posted April 13, 2015 Yes indeed - there was the UK seaside town beginning with S that got someone's hatchie KILLED recently, as I recall. There are rather a LOT of words that contain - other words - especially the offending one in that case. Share this post Link to post
Posted April 15, 2015 Lol, I can also recall problems for people naming dragons after mushrooms and all sorts of things. http://www.wikihow.com/Prepare-Shitake-Mushrooms I noticed many sites showing up when I searched are spelling this with two 'i's now, although they never used to; dunno which would be the correct English spelling, though I'm afraid that may be due to excessive and misplaced prudery misspelling actual names of real things, which is not good. And I've had a number of very good (I thought) dragon names have 'several characters disappear' in the past and had a heck of a time breaking down the words to figure out what was incidentally spelt within them to which the censor might object. The censor has a dirty mind, is all I can say, and I wish it would be given a good scrub. We get the odd offensive dragon name anyway, so I don't see why we can't rely on reports to identify and remove them rather than having this sort of nonsense, especially when trying to find unique names not already used by probably millions of dragons. Share this post Link to post
Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) Lol, I can also recall problems for people naming dragons after mushrooms and all sorts of things. http://www.wikihow.com/Prepare-Shitake-Mushrooms I noticed many sites showing up when I searched are spelling this with two 'i's now, although they never used to; The reason might be that the Japanese name (transcibed, of course) is spelt with two i, for reasons: The mushroom's Japanese name shiitake (kanji: 椎茸) is composed of shii, the name of the tree Castanopsis cuspidata that provides the dead logs on which it is typically cultivated, and take meaning "mushroom". (From the wikipedia page on that mushroom) Anyway, I agree on the censor being too dirty-minded. I vividly recall the name "pencil tinderbox" being caught in it, too ... @fuzzbucket: exactly that, two letters switched ... Edited April 15, 2015 by Ruby Eyes Share this post Link to post
Posted April 15, 2015 Anyway, I agree on the censor being too dirty-minded. I vividly recall the name "pencil tinderbox" being caught in it, too ... I can't even work that one out... I am so INNOCENT. Please advise... I mean - if two letters were reversed, but... Share this post Link to post
Posted April 15, 2015 I can't even work that one out... I am so INNOCENT. Please advise... I mean - if two letters were reversed, but... I'm a sentient conglomeration of explicit content and stale internet memes, and even I don't get it. Share this post Link to post
Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) I just googled it and it comes up as - what I thought if two letters were reversed. There are several websites where people have simply - consistently spelt it wrong... For those who wonder - the ONLY way that works is if pencil is replaced by pencli... If even our censor buys into that incorrect spelling of the word (which actually only shortens a biological name for a body part, and is hardly an obscenity, on a par with the words kidney and gallbladder, which as far as I know are allowed... - like saying tum for stomach !) then I assume the next thing will be censoring of "who erected that statue" or "you must cut noodles with a sharp knife..." and I await with interest "the pen is mightier than the sword" Edited April 15, 2015 by fuzzbucket Share this post Link to post
Posted April 15, 2015 "the pen is mightier than the sword" Out of curiosity I tried 'The Pen is Mightier'. It said it was inappropriate... The censor needs changing or removal as Cinnamin said. Share this post Link to post
Posted April 15, 2015 Meh. Rather than trying to improve the censor, I'd be cool with seeing it removed entirely. The whole "DC doesn't support inappropriate names" thing really lost credibility when someone was allowed to pick the f-bomb code for their CB prize awhile back. I don't see how that's much different from letting someone give their dragon a questionable name. If someone finds something that's really not appropriate, they can just do what we already do - go find a mod to talk to. Or TJ could implement some sort of report feature (the code for that should already be mostly done, since there was a report option on the Christmas messages). Share this post Link to post
Posted April 15, 2015 I definitely think something should be done about the censorship, whether it's tinkering with it or removing it altogether. When perfectly innocent names are getting censored something really should be done. Share this post Link to post
Posted April 15, 2015 Yeah, if it's catching innocent names and killing hatchlings over them it should probably be removed entirely or only apply to the words on their own and without spaces. I'm reminded of how you couldn't trade an unnicknamed Sarcofagus because of the ridiculous censoring in Pokemon games... Share this post Link to post
Posted May 5, 2015 Killing hatchlings entirely should definitely be removed. If someone tried to name their hatchling something perfectly innocent, and then the hatchling died, it might make some younger players very upset. Perhaps the censor should target only full swearwords, without spaces. If there was nothing else in the name, the dragon should die, because that's obviously deliberate. Anything else, and the ink simply disappears. True, if I named a dragon hahaf***hahaha it might let it through. (If possible, it shouldn't let such things as that through.) The list of swearwords in the censor should also be kept fairly small. I have no idea quite how many are out there, but only truly offensive ones, like the f-word and the word for a female dog. (I feel so silly self-censoring these... -.-) Share this post Link to post
Posted May 6, 2015 Killing hatchlings entirely should definitely be removed. If someone tried to name their hatchling something perfectly innocent, and then the hatchling died, it might make some younger players very upset. Perhaps the censor should target only full swearwords, without spaces. If there was nothing else in the name, the dragon should die, because that's obviously deliberate. Anything else, and the ink simply disappears. True, if I named a dragon hahaf***hahaha it might let it through. (If possible, it shouldn't let such things as that through.) The list of swearwords in the censor should also be kept fairly small. I have no idea quite how many are out there, but only truly offensive ones, like the f-word and the word for a female dog. (I feel so silly self-censoring these... -.-) I do totally agree with not killing dragons over names, but just to mention - speaking generally - in view of the problems triggering this thread, perhaps actual words with multiple uses, even if sometimes used as an insult, shouldn't be deadly to dragons, or make them unnameable as chosen by the owner? Some people use the terminology of RL animals and may refer to their dragons as being studs or stallions, mares, even more commonly as being sires or dams of other dragons. Should their dragons die/become unable to be named because the term 'stud' has several meanings, one sometimes applied to humans, or because the correct term for the mother of a foal is 'dam' which is close to a mild swear-word? What about 'pig', a perfectly nice, intelligent mammal whose name is sometimes taken in vain in use as an insult? Or 'dog', come to that? Lol, it's hard enough trying to find unused names without unintended connotations being attributed by a program intended to prevent offensive names but without the capacity to determine in what sense words are being used... Share this post Link to post
Posted May 6, 2015 I don't think the censor should have the power to kill dragons without review, but perhaps it should instead flag it for mods or TJ so they could be aware and take whatever action is appropriate. The threat of killing might be a good thing to maintain and even follow through on in really egregious cases. I recall one instance of someone naming a lot of dragons with really offensive ethnic slurs. That wasn't even picked up by the censor, but when it was reported I believe the scroll was burned. Share this post Link to post
Posted May 7, 2015 The whole "DC doesn't support inappropriate names" thing really lost credibility when someone was allowed to pick the f-bomb code for their CB prize awhile back. What kind of human garbage would do something like that? Share this post Link to post
Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) Sorry but there IS really sth wrong with the entire censorship on DC... We can't name dragons with innocent phrases which may accidentally contain a split voulgar or offensive word but the dragon coding may use them:/ e.g. http://dragcave.net/lineage/**** http://dragcave.net/lineage/**** http://dragcave.net/lineage/**** http://dragcave.net/lineage/**** http://dragcave.net/lineage/**** http://dragcave.net/lineage/dick http://dragcave.net/lineage/dIck etc. etc. to go on for ages Sorry but if we're to have our dragons named in a way that messes with the coensorship system punished(e.g. killed) but we are to get dragons named worse in the mere coding, then WHAT'S THE POINT? PFFF nice, and all the DRAGON codes of EXISTING dragons got censored Just check some capitalisations of the f-word, cu-word (di-word was not recognised I see) in dragon coding and you'll se what I was reffering to. Edited May 7, 2015 by VixenDra Share this post Link to post
Posted May 7, 2015 It's usually easier to post parents or children of the dragons in question. Share this post Link to post
Posted May 7, 2015 It's usually easier to post parents or children of the dragons in question. fathers of: http://dragcave.net/lineage/kJbU http://dragcave.net/lineage/jm3JR http://dragcave.net/lineage/OdmJR mothers of: http://dragcave.net/lineage/dM9m children of: http://dragcave.net/progeny/aMSI http://dragcave.net/progeny/Hpsl http://dragcave.net/progeny/1DNF some others are childrenless CBs like eg. the c-word with capital C and the rest lower case or dead like e.g. f-word all letters capitalised. Really, I bet all of us could have fun with inventing codes and discovering how many of them have a few dragons existing with different capitalisations... Share this post Link to post
Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) Really, I bet all of us could have fun with inventing codes and discovering how many of them have a few dragons existing with different capitalisations...Nope. Some of us are doing it the other way round: looking what the cave can come up with, and then breed that: naughty CBs #1, naughty CBs #2, naughty CBs #3, naughty CBs #4 Seriously, dat cave is *naughty*! Edited May 7, 2015 by Ruby Eyes Share this post Link to post
Posted May 7, 2015 Well, I have to admit these codes/lineages certainly cheered up my day - haven't laughed so hard in ages. But, yeah, far better to rely on reporting of offensive names, with good human commonsense used, (since some complaints I've heard over the years have included obscure references most of us wouldn't get and which the owner might well not have either, while others have been, in my opinion, even less relevant to any necessary protection of minors/general sensibilities) because it's really outright beyond-crudities and especially hurtful things like ethnic insults - which a censor may not catch anyway - that I would think we need to eliminate. Share this post Link to post
Posted May 8, 2015 One thing I was told when I bred an egg with a crude code word: The code formula is completely random. There is no control over the letters and numbers that make a code, so, if you get a "bad" (dirty, rude, embarrassing) code, you can't be accountable for it. So, I just used the egg as trade to get a nice, short lineage Holly. You can only be responsible for the actual given name. If you think there's a problem with a named dragon with a censorable name, then PM a mod about it. I can't guarantee a specific result, but we can look into it and make a judgment call. I think we all just need to be adults or at least do our best to be adult about the names and take responsibility for the ones we make rude or funny. We also need to be adults about the codes as well and if you like them, no problem. If you don't like them, go to the IRC channel and trade them to someone who does. Who knows, maybe you'll get a nice holiday egg for them like I did. If you're interested in what the code was which I received, PM me and ask. It was a 4 letter word, so it's been a while. Share this post Link to post
Posted May 8, 2015 One thing I was told when I bred an egg with a crude code word: The code formula is completely random. There is no control over the letters and numbers that make a code, so, if you get a "bad" (dirty, rude, embarrassing) code, you can't be accountable for it. So, I just used the egg as trade to get a nice, short lineage Holly. You can only be responsible for the actual given name. If you think there's a problem with a named dragon with a censorable name, then PM a mod about it. I can't guarantee a specific result, but we can look into it and make a judgment call. I think we all just need to be adults or at least do our best to be adult about the names and take responsibility for the ones we make rude or funny. We also need to be adults about the codes as well and if you like them, no problem. If you don't like them, go to the IRC channel and trade them to someone who does. THIS. And to report ones that are clearly deliberately offensive or totally non PG-13 - which could get the whole site into trouble. Share this post Link to post
Posted May 8, 2015 which could get the whole site into trouble. Thats not really a thing as far as I know, past some bizarre upset parent sending an email or something Share this post Link to post
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