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I support! I'll most likely still only be hunting for holidays myself, but I definitely like the idea for some variety, especially at Christmas when the cave is also nothing but holidays for three days. I have a couple of friends who play but who aren't in to lineages and still only collect two of each holiday, despite the lifted scroll restriction, so I'm sure they (and others like them) would really appreciate this!

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"This doesn't hurt anyone" is an argument which one can bring up in so many suggestion threads. However it does not mean that implementing is really necessary.

The DC focus during holiday seasons is clearly on the celebrated holidays and the holiday dragons, I also heard that the scroll limit for bred holiday dragons was lifted so more holidays which otherwise would have died can be picked up now.

 

People who do not want to get holidays can go to the main cave and/or breed & trade non-holidays. Therefore, I personally do not see any need for this.

If people had really nothing else to do during holidays then I would most likely support this.

Excepts during valentines, non holiday hunters, are forced to stare at a cave full of holidays for three days, to stare at a wall of holidays for a week, and to dig through the holiday trade requests across multiple places to dig through to find the non-holiday lineages and ap treasures that they are wanting. Holiday collectors do not generally have space to breed non holiday trades, their space is locked up with things to trade for those holidays they want, with no room for extras.

 

 

One line of normal AP is not going to affect holiday hunting (as this is something that would only specifically kick in IF a full wall happens). Those holidays are still going to block up most of the ap, and be a constant stream of eggs.

 

You may not find it necessary, and thats ok, however, the suggestion came up because someone felt it was necessary, and others agree they would like to see it. One line is a pretty fair compromise, 6 eggs compared to the 24 holidays that would be available per refresh.

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I agree with Thuban. I would like to see a line for regular eggs, since I'm not too big on hunting for past Holidays either.

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I am 100% for this. I think giving players more options cannot be a bad thing if there are no negative consequences and I see none here.

 

Personally, I bred some eggs before holiday breeding started at Christmas that ended up dying on the AP because they never got a chance to be seen. They were nice eggs and may have been just what someone was looking for. As it stands now I will not be breeding anything for at least 3 days before Valentine breeding starts because if I end up with an egg I don't need and abandon it, it could very easily meet the same fate as those at Christmas.

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Support. I don't see any negatives, so why not?

Exactly.

 

Even though I myself love the Holiday events because I love filling up my scroll with adorable holiday babies it would be nice to see another line that has normal eggs for those who aren't interested in the Holiday event or have already caught their fill and have extra room. It's only fair that this site is enjoyable for everyone and not everyone loves seeing a wall of holiday eggs when they're trying to find nice lineages, codes and that occasional rare Ice or Tinsel that pops up every now and then.

 

I fully support this. smile.gif

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I like the idea of having an additional line for non-holidays. It won't reduce the number of holiday eggs, but will give other people something else to hunt, if needed. I enjoy grabbing low-time eggs and being able to immediately turn them into hatchlings during my other holiday hunting.

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I don't see any negatives to this suggestion; I know that a lot of people aren't really interested in grabbing Holidays, and a single line wouldn't change much about the AP, so why not? I support it.

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I am a major holiday hoarder so I wouldn't personally find this useful, but I certainly have no problem with making it available so that less obsessed players will also have some place to hunt during the holiday.

Support.

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I think this is a good idea. smile.gif

 

I am still mostly collecting holidays when they roll around (especially at Halloween tongue.gif).

 

That said, I remember the days before the limits were lifted for the other holidays, and I can only imagine how frustrating this must be for others who aren't interested in picking up any holiday dragons. I am still frustrated by the cave sometimes after Christmas, when I have my two CB holidays for the year and am hoping to pick up something else. This could help with that, too.

 

As stated, it would only kick in when there are enough holiday eggs to otherwise fill the AP, and so I see now downside to this, except of course fewer incu-hatchable eggs for me. But I guess I can share. wink.gif

 

Support!

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I like this suggestion for many of the reasons already mentioned by people; it woudn't really hurt anyone, people who are not really into mass-collecting holidays will get a chance to grab something else and people who hunt for their holiday dragons might even get a little something if they're lucky.

 

+ support for me happy.gif

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This wouldn't affect me since during Holiday I concentrate on hunting holidays, but just one line reserved to non Holiday eggs wouldn't hurt anyone and can be useful to some player.

 

I support it.

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On Thubans note and to the non supporters, really whats the harm in one line of regular eggs? I like to hunt some past bred holidays but if you notice my scroll, I don't have that many. I LOVE to hunt for low time AP eggs though. They hatch fast, and its so nice to get that instant gratification. I mean there is no wait, no fuss, its nice. As much as I love bred holidays, I am normally staring at the AP to catch incuhatchables as opposed to hunting in the cave. I can hunt in the cave literally any other day I want. Incuhatchable eggs don't come around that often. So yeah, let those of us with little to no interest in holiday hunting to get some nice incuhatchable eggs.

 

Support from me, heres my 1+

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I support, because it doesn't hurt anyone, and it could be made so that there are still 5 lines of Holiday eggs, and just add a line of normal eggs. Although the only thing that would be missing is the flood of rares and unbreedables found in the AP after the holiday eggs clear out. xd.png

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I don't see a problem with this suggestion. I am not obsessive about the holiday dragons, though I do collect my fair share, so I would probably utilize this feature. I do not see the need for the to be an exclusionary wall o' holidays that does not allow for other options. My agreement is in the spirit of allowing more choices, which is what my agreements with suggestions is usually about.

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Not in support. I'm in agreement with those that think holidays are very special. besides people are still breeding even if you can't find CB in the caves.

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Not in support. I'm in agreement with those that think holidays are very special. besides people are still breeding even if you can't find CB in the caves.

How does this make holidays less special?

 

This was suggested partly because bred eggs die behind the holiday backlog in the AP. So yes, people are breeding, but without this, we can't see those eggs for days if they don't die first.

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Agree with SPS. Can someone articulate a reason that taking up the last line of the AP and not allowing Holiday dragons to occupy it is wrong, harmful, bad, or even inconvenient to them? Or, even better, if we could ADD another line of exclusively non-holiday dragons just during that period where there is a wall of them?

 

 

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Not in support. I'm in agreement with those that think holidays are very special. besides people are still breeding even if you can't find CB in the caves.

I am also confused as to how allowing users to continue hunting and emptying out the AP of unwanted low time eggs is so bad.

 

We're talking about there are 30 Eggs in the AP shown at one time. If this suggestion is implemented, one line (probably the bottom line) would not be taken up by holiday eggs even during an over breeding of them. This allows users like me, Thuban, SPS, etc, to hunt the AP and rid some of that unwanted, caveblocker, AP backlog of normal non holiday eggs, while everyone else fills their scroll with the continously moving Holiday eggs.

 

So we would have

H = Holiday egg

E = Normal AP egg

 

H H H H H H

H H H H H H

H H H H H H

H H H H H H

E E E E E E

 

How is that one line at the bottom gonna stop holidays from being special. I don't really get it. Holidays would still dominate the AP. Holidays would take up majority of it. So holiday eggs will still be special and 90% up front and center. Ap eggs would be 10% and at the bottom where it shouldn't bother anyone.

 

Also, saying "Just go cave hunt"

Literally all of DC can cave hunt every single day of the year. Why am I going to go egg lock my self with eggs that are gonna take about 2-3 days to hatch (with incubate) when I can get an egg that's gonna take 10-20 minutes to hatch (with incubate) from the AP. I can cave hunt for 7 day eggs any other time I want. This is one of the few times where eggs at under 5 days will be readily available . When the cave does that let me know.

 

Also trading, trade what? The trades are all about the holiday hype and finding mates and getting the best for rare pairings, and really that's not fruitful. Its annoying.

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Excepts during valentines, non holiday hunters, are forced to stare at a cave full of holidays for three days, to stare at a wall of holidays for a week, and to dig through the holiday trade requests across multiple places to dig through to find the non-holiday lineages and ap treasures that they are wanting. Holiday collectors do not generally have space to breed non holiday trades, their space is locked up with things to trade for those holidays they want, with no room for extras.

 

 

One line of normal AP is not going to affect holiday hunting (as this is something that would only specifically kick in IF a full wall happens). Those holidays are still going to block up most of the ap, and be a constant stream of eggs.

 

You may not find it necessary, and thats ok, however, the suggestion came up because someone felt it was necessary, and others agree they would like to see it. One line is a pretty fair compromise, 6 eggs compared to the 24 holidays that would be available per refresh.

If you breed your dragons or pick up "normal" eggs from the main cave right before the new holidays drop in the cave you are locked for 3 days, unless you use Incubate. We all get to know when new holidays drop in the "news" section.

EDIT: I would also like to add that releasing a new holiday in the cave usually means the end of holiday breeding overall (in case of Christmas, you still have one day left for breeding after the new ones are released). The AP turns back to normal.

 

You are right - trades are full with holiday offers & holiday collectors won't have space for non-holidays => considering it's holiday season. However, you can find other people who do not collect holidays.

 

And I really hope you are right when you say "it does not affect holiday hunting". I would hate to see lag due to more traffic or whatever could happen.

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And I really hope you are right when you say "it does not affect holiday hunting". I would hate to see lag due to more traffic or whatever could happen.

Honestly, I think there would be less lag. The post you quoted said that the poster would stare at the wall o' Holidays for hours. This would get her the eggs she wanted quickly and allow her to move on to other things, reducing her frustration, making her a happy player, while making you, who are a holiday hunter happier as well as the 100 or so people staring at the page now clicks down to 99, so you have less people refreshing the AP.

 

As to "whatever could happen" I think you need to put into words what the problem you think will happen is. Please.

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And I really hope you are right when you say "it does not affect holiday hunting". I would hate to see lag due to more traffic or whatever could happen.

Again, this seems like something that would ONLY kick in when there would be a full wall. Usually, after the first few hours, you can see some ap eggs here and there. If there are only 28 holidays in the ap, then the last two would be non holiday eggs. If the wall stays around 28 eggs, rather than hitting a full 30, then it would NOT change anything about how the ap already works during holidays.

 

It only when the full wall (31+ holiday eggs) kicks in that the bottom line would change (or a fresh line would be added if that idea is being tossed around, however, that one probably isnt too friendly to our mobile users). At that point, the holidays would have a queue, and the line at the bottom would kick in. Once the queue drops back under 30 holiday eggs, it should flip back to the normal way.

 

 

Holidays are going to lag, no matter what. They always do, and nothing is really going to change it.

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Honestly, I think there would be less lag. The post you quoted said that the poster would stare at the wall o' Holidays for hours. This would get her the eggs she wanted quickly and allow her to move on to other things, reducing her frustration, making her a happy player, while making you, who are a holiday hunter happier as well as the 100 or so people staring at the page now clicks down to 99, so you have less people refreshing the AP.

 

As to "whatever could happen" I think you need to put into words what the problem you think will happen is. Please.

There are also other things which would make me a happy player and yet people do not support my suggestions. There is a difference between "I do not support it" and "I am against it".

And no, this does not necessarily mean that "she gets the eggs she wants". People dump eggs to the AP they want to gift, or which they do not want or need. I never seem to find an unrelated 4G Mint from perfect Silver x Mint checker in the AP when I want/need it.

 

All this boils down to is: make it so that people can grab incuhatchable non-holiday AP eggs during holiday season (one week).

However, non-holiday collectors have options: grab eggs in the main cave and/or trade/breed non-holidays. If you take a look at the Departures thread, there are a few people gifting non-holidays during holiday season.

Also, she herself said that there are normal AP eggs in short bursts - which I saw myself as well.

 

And I am sorry, you want to get something changed - you are the ones who have to try to convince "us", not the other way around.

Me and others can live without an extra line in the AP and mind you, once this Valentine is over I basically also have all old holiday sprites I need.

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There are also other things which would make me a happy player and yet people do not support my suggestions. There is a difference between "I do not support it" and "I am against it".

And no, this does not necessarily mean that "she gets the eggs she wants". People dump eggs to the AP they want to gift, or which they do not want or need. I never seem to find an unrelated 4G Mint from perfect Silver x Mint checker in the AP when I want/need it.

 

All this boils down to is: make it so that people can grab incuhatchable non-holiday AP eggs during holiday season (one week).

However, non-holiday collectors have options: grab eggs in the main cave and/or trade/breed non-holidays. If you take a look at the Departures thread, there are a few people gifting non-holidays during holiday season.

Also, she herself said that there are normal AP eggs in short bursts - which I saw myself as well.

 

And I am sorry, you want to get something changed - you are the ones who have to try to convince "us", not the other way around.

Me and others can live without an extra line in the AP and mind you, once this Valentine is over I basically also have all old holiday sprites I need.

True enough. The arguments I would support for this change are that it ensures that the AP non-holiday eggs are always visible, thus reducing egg death to the Holiday wall. It allows people to see "beneath" the massive pile of Holidays to regular eggs IF THEY WANT THEM, and although it reduces the holidays per page by 20%, it is not a huge reduction. Holidays will still be the main focus of the season, just not the only thing available. (I for one get burned out on holidays long before they actually roll around due to the hyper commercialism prevelant here in the USA) grabbing CB eggs is nice during Holidays, but I like seeing what's in the AP because I won't be stuck with a misclicked egg for 5 hours. I personally have 1 old sprite coming from a trading thread; AP hunting will be strictly bonus for me. For Valentine's at least.

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However, non-holiday collectors have options: grab eggs in the main cave and/or trade/breed non-holidays. If you take a look at the Departures thread, there are a few people gifting non-holidays during holiday season.

Essentially, what you're telling me is that if I want to find normal eggs during holiday season, I either have to search through all the holiday trades for the few non-holidays (not something I'm keen on spending my time doing) or I have to take CBs. What if I don't want CBs? What if I want pretty checkers? What if I want messy things I don't feel guilty freezing? During non-holiday times, unless I'm hunting rares, I hunt in the AP for nicely lineaged things. While I agree that the main focus during a holiday should be the holiday, it shouldn't be the only focus and it shouldn't stop people from playing how they want to play.

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True enough. The arguments I would support for this change are that it ensures that the AP non-holiday eggs are always visible, thus reducing egg death to the Holiday wall. It allows people to see "beneath" the massive pile of Holidays to regular eggs IF THEY WANT THEM, and although it reduces the holidays per page by 20%, it is not a huge reduction. Holidays will still be the main focus of the season, just not the only thing available. (I for one get burned out on holidays long before they actually roll around due to the hyper commercialism prevelant here in the USA) grabbing CB eggs is nice during Holidays, but I like seeing what's in the AP because I won't be stuck with a misclicked egg for 5 hours. I personally have 1 old sprite coming from a trading thread; AP hunting will be strictly bonus for me. For Valentine's at least.

 

And this.

Essentially, what you're telling me is that if I want to find normal eggs during holiday season, I either have to search through all the holiday trades for the few non-holidays (not something I'm keen on spending my time doing) or I have to take CBs. What if I don't want CBs? What if I want pretty checkers? What if I want messy things I don't feel guilty freezing? During non-holiday times, unless I'm hunting rares, I hunt in the AP for nicely lineaged things. While I agree that the main focus during a holiday should be the holiday, it shouldn't be the only focus and it shouldn't stop people from playing how they want to play.

 

Thats what people mean by there is no harm. As is really we're not asking for holiday hunters to go look in a new AP. We're not forcing you to change anything you want so drastically it ruins the game. Literally we're just asking for a slight leeway to also do what we want and not be forced to do what everyone else wants while we sit there and wait for holiday breeding to finish. I want to be able to look for awesome lineages and random messy things in the AP. I usually do but since their not low time enough I do it sparingly. Holidays are a great time to hunt the AP because most of DC ignores the messy and nice lineaged regular eggs for the holiday eggs. It gives hoarders like me and others a chance to catch and collect for the sprite as well as gift nice lineages in the departure thread that others might need. Its one line out of six when the AP gets completely full off eggs.

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