Posted June 16, 2014 I got permission from some very nice mods to post this, but it's just a lineage suggestion, not anything to do with making NDs or the mechanics of doing so, so if we could avoid posting about that it would be much appreciated. Recently, my niece made a couple of NDs from Vampire eggs. Vampires have a link to the Vampire that bit them: But when they turn into Neglecteds, that bitten link disappears. I don't know if the theory behind it is that they become a new type of dragon and so the link goes away, but I think it would be nice if it could stay. After all, the egg was bitten. And whether it's a Neglected (a breed all it's own), or a Neglected Vampire (simply a neglected version of the breed it was before), the bite and surviving it is an interesting part of its history/lineage. I think that it's comparable to the lineage info that's currently kept for NDs. For instance, if a player breeds two Golds together and then neglects the egg, the lineage will still be there and show that it was a Gold egg. That kind of thing lends interest to the NDs, much like NDs turned from Holiday eggs, Tinsel eggs, Thuwed eggs, etc. If this is a technical issue about transferring the bite info to an egg that is considered a non-Vampire, then I understand. But if that info can show up on the NDs page, I think it would be nice and adds another layer of depth to the story of that type of dragon. Not the most wide reaching issue, I admit, but that may change over time and I don't see how the change hurts anything (barring technical issues, of course). Share this post Link to post
Posted June 16, 2014 I do think it would be fun to keep that. Part of the history of the dragon, if you will. Share this post Link to post
Posted June 16, 2014 Me too, I love to have the full history (except in the case of planned deadlines which I WANT BACK !!) If every other dragon knows who bit it - why not these ? Haven't they enough problems without their medical history being stolen away ? Share this post Link to post
Posted June 16, 2014 Yes, I support this - I like NDs (and indeed dragons in general) with interesting histories/lineages, and a Neglected Vampire is certainly interesting! Share this post Link to post
Posted June 16, 2014 Me too, I love to have the full history (except in the case of planned deadlines which I WANT BACK !!) What does 'planned dealines' mean? Share this post Link to post
Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) What does 'planned dealines' mean? In the Good Old Days, if you carefully planned out a lineage like this: http://dragcave.net/lineage/73DVe the lineage before that lovely line of tombstones vanished. No more That little shocker is a 25th gen and according to someone the most complicatedly inbred dragon on DC. But I didn't want him to know It took me AGES to build him up, and JUST before the egg was bread bred - the change was made. *sob* Edited June 16, 2014 by fuzzbucket Share this post Link to post
Posted June 16, 2014 That little shocker is a 25th gen and according to someone the most complicatedly inbred dragon on DC. That throne is rightfully mine: http://dragcave.net/lineage/aRg8j (42nd gen with 19647 dragons appearing more than once) And back on topic, it would be interesting if the biting record is retained when a breed is transformed to something else (ND, zombie, or anything new in the future). I mean hey, normal lineages get preserved, why not the bite record? Share this post Link to post
Posted June 16, 2014 That throne is rightfully mine: http://dragcave.net/lineage/aRg8j (42nd gen with 19647 dragons appearing more than once) And back on topic, it would be interesting if the biting record is retained when a breed is transformed to something else (ND, zombie, or anything new in the future). I mean hey, normal lineages get preserved, why not the bite record? Yes - that one of yours came up at the time - but according to ext, mine has special complexities (I don't know what this means, but he was using it as an example when all the lineage counters were struggling at one point, as it is for some reason therefore more likely to crash lineage checkers !) Share this post Link to post
Posted June 16, 2014 I'm not likely to ever have an ND which was once a Vampire, but if I did I would want the world to know. That just makes it that much more special and is part of who it is, so I think it should show. Share this post Link to post
Posted June 16, 2014 (edited) I can't see any harm in this, so whilst it probably won't affect me, I don't see any reason not to change it. JUST before the egg was bread - the change was made.I do like bread eggs. Edited June 16, 2014 by TheGrox Share this post Link to post
Posted June 16, 2014 I can't see any harm in this, so whilst it probably won't affect me, I don't see any reason not to change it. I do like bread eggs. Oops Share this post Link to post
Posted June 16, 2014 Ah they removed that..... I'd like to see the vampbite history remain. It would quite exciting in a way to have a dragon go through two changes. Share this post Link to post
Posted June 16, 2014 Agree. I don't have any neglecteds yet, but I'd certainly want to see that piece of the dragon's history if I successfully neglected a vampire. Share this post Link to post
Posted June 16, 2014 Good grief. This is my dream, honestly. A vampire egg turned neglected. Not that I'll ever have a snowball's chance in hell of getting, much less making one, but oh my, how I've daydreamt about neglected dragons that remember they were bitten by a vampire. So, yes please! Share this post Link to post
Posted June 20, 2014 Good grief. This is my dream, honestly. A vampire egg turned neglected. Not that I'll ever have a snowball's chance in hell of getting, much less making one, but oh my, how I've daydreamt about neglected dragons that remember they were bitten by a vampire. So, yes please! One of mine is vamp gone neglected gone zombie. Anyway, it's pretty much like leaving lineages on a neglected, so I am in favor of this going through. Share this post Link to post
Posted June 20, 2014 I think it makes sense to keep this part of history. I'd like to see it. Due to a comment in another thread, this may not be something that can be applied retroactively but it sounds like it's something TJ could work for the future. But that's just from a comment in another thread that I'm making assumptions off of. Share this post Link to post
Posted June 20, 2014 I like this idea, I already like to ND lineages and to get a vamp- ND and have the bitten by info stay... hmmm i have a few "original" vamps, that need to feed more often....*wanders off to plot evil things. and you know i would give the first one to you, pinkgothic. Share this post Link to post
Posted June 21, 2014 I think it makes sense to keep this part of history. I'd like to see it. Due to a comment in another thread, this may not be something that can be applied retroactively but it sounds like it's something TJ could work for the future. But that's just from a comment in another thread that I'm making assumptions off of. Yeah, I'm also unsure if it could be a retroactive thing, so while that would be nice I'd totally be okay with a change just going forward if that's what's doable. I will say, though, that the link to the Neglected stays on the page of the Vampire that bit it. So while the ND doesn't say "Bitten By", if you go to the biting Vamps page it says, "Bitten:" and the ND's name/code shows up on that list. So it seems to me that 1) the information is still in the system, and 2) that the link on the ND page doesn't necessarily disappear because in-game logic says that fact needs to go away, because it's still accessible. Don't know if that means anything, but there it is. Share this post Link to post
Posted June 21, 2014 (edited) I also think it'd be nice if the link stayed there. It's neat backstory, if an uncommon one. Edited June 21, 2014 by Dimar Share this post Link to post
Posted June 21, 2014 (edited) I will say, though, that the link to the Neglected stays on the page of the Vampire that bit it. So while the ND doesn't say "Bitten By", if you go to the biting Vamps page it says, "Bitten:" and the ND's name/code shows up on that list. So it seems to me that 1) the information is still in the system, and 2) that the link on the ND page doesn't necessarily disappear because in-game logic says that fact needs to go away, because it's still accessible. Don't know if that means anything, but there it is. Your're right, the vampire's page shows the ND's name. I have a 'bitten' ND and I kept the link to the Vampire as proof but one day I lost it and it took me a lot of creative googling to find it again, since the Vamp has lost it's name >.> http://dragcave.net/lineage/9Bkg2 So a big YES for this suggestion. Edited June 21, 2014 by natli Share this post Link to post
Posted June 21, 2014 I didn't even know Vampires could become NDs until I saw this thread. I agree - the link should stay. Share this post Link to post
Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) The bitten by link should stay, but I'll just point something out... Dorkwed x Dorkwed Spriters alt CB gold silver bronze CB tinsles all in a super nice lineage neglected. Plus a bitten by link. Don't you think trading will, I don't know... "I want a Dorkwed x Spriters alt neglected" "Easy! I have 2." "And they must have a bitten by link, and they must be bitten by Dorkwed* vamp with a *crazy lineage goes here*" "..." I'm JUST pointing something out, don't hate or anything. Don't quote me and say "Nobody cares BRO". Because I'm Mr.NoOneCares. * = Yes, there isn't one. I think. Edited June 23, 2014 by Drinking_Water Share this post Link to post
Posted June 25, 2014 The three minute vamp says yes, please, we need it http://dragcave.net/lineage/QwgSP Share this post Link to post
Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) The bitten by link should stay, but I'll just point something out... Dorkwed x Dorkwed Spriters alt CB gold silver bronze CB tinsles all in a super nice lineage neglected. Plus a bitten by link. Don't you think trading will, I don't know... "I want a Dorkwed x Spriters alt neglected" "Easy! I have 2." "And they must have a bitten by link, and they must be bitten by Dorkwed* vamp with a *crazy lineage goes here*" "..." I'm JUST pointing something out, don't hate or anything. Don't quote me and say "Nobody cares BRO". Because I'm Mr.NoOneCares. * = Yes, there isn't one. I think. Probably not, actually. Mostly, people want CB NDs. Damned if I know why - NDs can't breed, so people only have them for bragging rights and if it's CB you can't say whether or not it was a rare! I tried trading an ex-Shimmer ND with a clean lineage recently and got very few sensible offers - he grew up on my scroll. ND collectors might sit up and take notice of an ND with an unusual lineage or a Bite history (for myself, I still need some frozen NDs with and without the forced message - and now some ex-Vamp NDs ), but most people won't care. *shrug* (Also, maybe not a Dorkwed and not an ex-Vamp, but I do have this and I love it! First Shimmer to be turned, to the best of my knowledge. And if I did another now it'd probably trade for sod-all...) Edited June 25, 2014 by Amazon_warrior Share this post Link to post
Posted June 25, 2014 Mostly, people want CB NDs. Damned if I know why Beats me. I especially love lineaged unbreedables. There are, fortunately, people out there who appreciate them. I'm a little obsessed. I think I might be one of the main reasons The Count Project has a lot of gorgeously lineaged vampires... once you get the ball rolling... But I digress. I do think that if this can be tracked, people will want it. I mean, just looking at this thread and the feedback in it, alone... it might be a bit niche, but it's definitely a niche with passionate fans. And, perhaps more importantly, I think it makes sense to display the information - and it does seem to be in the system (as per the info on the vampire sire's page), so I have the hope that it's only a small display tweak. Share this post Link to post
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